Should Such Daily Shots Be Allowed?
Thursday, September 9, 2004 by BX | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Please check the Today's Shot in Daily Shots Frame
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=13&SkinID=5919
and tell me whether such content is allowed on WC?
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=13&SkinID=5919
and tell me whether such content is allowed on WC?
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Hus
Reply #62 Thursday, September 9, 2004 10:51 PM
Reply #62 Thursday, September 9, 2004 10:51 PM
If you guys only knew what I go through at work... 
Sugaree
Reply #63 Thursday, September 9, 2004 10:54 PM
http://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/1750
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Reply #63 Thursday, September 9, 2004 10:54 PM
http://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/1750
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BoXXi
Reply #65 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:03 AM
Reply #65 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:03 AM
Dear oh dear..... lots of comments about this....although I really can't understand why.
BoXXi wonders if anyone actually looked at his shiny new skin that he's working on......
lovesblessing
Reply #66 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:18 AM
Reply #66 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:18 AM
Well, here's my two cents on this....it's not something I think is good, but then, I don't much care for the whole anime thing anyway. Mr. BoXXi, your pretty turquoise skin looks good so far! 
I would prefer a different wallpaper, tho!
lovesblessing wonders if there would be so many "looks good to me" if it was a picture of a scantily clad, really ripped male, posed "just so"!?!?!?
I would prefer a different wallpaper, tho! lovesblessing wonders if there would be so many "looks good to me" if it was a picture of a scantily clad, really ripped male, posed "just so"!?!?!?
Watson
Reply #67 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:23 AM
Reply #67 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:23 AM
Whoa...that was really badly timed, I meant it to be a reply to post 20...
Alternate Setting
Reply #68 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:23 AM
This is where it gets weird for me. I've seen the walls before and my initial reaction was to feel a little icky although the actual anime (a style I like) and colours where nicely put together it was a little too near the knuckle for me (at first glance the image appears a little young made prematurely adult) to ever want to have on my pc.
So here one comes again as the screenshot. Same gut reaction (I also thought it was a shame for me as I love the peppermint colours Boxxi). However I re-assessed its level of acceptability on this board based exactly on the fact that younger folks have been brought up with anime and their relationship with the image could be something totally different from my initial perception, which is coloured in part by my age and the relationship with abuses that are part of the culture I live in.
So for me to have it on mine, an icky feeling - but for me to see it on a 16yr olds computer probably wouldn't worry me at all.
Somewhere in the back of my mind a voice is screaming 'come back Mickey, come back Minnie' - mind you I don't suppose you could make an animation entitled 'Steamboat Willie' anymore either
Reply #68 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:23 AM
| Personally as an adult I am not bothered by this pic on this site, Frogboy has said the site is PG13 or whatever. I would have issue though with my children seeing it used as a background, as a previous poster stated that he had with his children... It's not that the picture itself is incredibly bad, but anything like this being displayed on my computer where my children or anyone elses could see it gives it some sort of credibility and validity beyond just a cartoon. |
This is where it gets weird for me. I've seen the walls before and my initial reaction was to feel a little icky although the actual anime (a style I like) and colours where nicely put together it was a little too near the knuckle for me (at first glance the image appears a little young made prematurely adult) to ever want to have on my pc.
So here one comes again as the screenshot. Same gut reaction (I also thought it was a shame for me as I love the peppermint colours Boxxi). However I re-assessed its level of acceptability on this board based exactly on the fact that younger folks have been brought up with anime and their relationship with the image could be something totally different from my initial perception, which is coloured in part by my age and the relationship with abuses that are part of the culture I live in.
So for me to have it on mine, an icky feeling - but for me to see it on a 16yr olds computer probably wouldn't worry me at all.
Somewhere in the back of my mind a voice is screaming 'come back Mickey, come back Minnie' - mind you I don't suppose you could make an animation entitled 'Steamboat Willie' anymore either
Jafo
Reply #69 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:27 AM
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Reply #69 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:27 AM
DWatson....wasn't really any appropriate time for that....it's all about levels of maturity....
It's an 'out of context' issue, where a comment can be humorous in one place and tacky in another....
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Stockholm Syndrome
Reply #70 Friday, September 10, 2004 1:18 AM
Reply #70 Friday, September 10, 2004 1:18 AM
Hmmm... In all the years I have used the "say hello to iMac" version of that wallpaper, it honestly never occurred to me that it might be a young face on a mature body. I can't even remember how many screenshots I posted with it, etc. Now that people mention it I could see it though, and that could explain an odd comment I got about that wall once. 
OTOH I do not care for some of the ones in HG_Eliminator's post and might whine if they made the daily shot.
There are tons of desktop shots like that at another site I'm on and it's a little unnerving. I guess we all have different tastes and thresholds.
Ahhh BoXXi blurred the girl out of the screenshot anyway, n/m.
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OTOH I do not care for some of the ones in HG_Eliminator's post and might whine if they made the daily shot.
There are tons of desktop shots like that at another site I'm on and it's a little unnerving. I guess we all have different tastes and thresholds. Ahhh BoXXi blurred the girl out of the screenshot anyway, n/m.
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Alternate Setting
Reply #72 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:31 AM
Reply #72 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:31 AM
Take that smile off your face Fuzzy - because of this thread I've abandoned my chocolate coated Nicole Kidman theme.
WebGizmos
Reply #73 Friday, September 10, 2004 7:26 AM
Nah...not doing either...just poking fun at how people see things that aren't there. It's scary when someone makes an issue out of nothing and the next thing you know we have congress writing more stupid laws the shouldn't be written. We always seem to blame inanimate objects for our behavior rather than take responsibility for our own actions.
While I would certainly agree that anything that depicts a sexual act/suggestion would certainly NOT be appropriate on this site...I feel this particular cartoon is completely harmless...that is until someone reads something into it that just isn't there. Leave it up...take it down...it really makes no difference to me...I just think the whole thing is silly. And like Boxxi said...does anyone like his theme? Did anyone even notice it?
Reply #73 Friday, September 10, 2004 7:26 AM
| Helping or hindering, WG? |
Nah...not doing either...just poking fun at how people see things that aren't there. It's scary when someone makes an issue out of nothing and the next thing you know we have congress writing more stupid laws the shouldn't be written. We always seem to blame inanimate objects for our behavior rather than take responsibility for our own actions.
While I would certainly agree that anything that depicts a sexual act/suggestion would certainly NOT be appropriate on this site...I feel this particular cartoon is completely harmless...that is until someone reads something into it that just isn't there. Leave it up...take it down...it really makes no difference to me...I just think the whole thing is silly. And like Boxxi said...does anyone like his theme? Did anyone even notice it?
grayhaze
Reply #74 Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
Reply #74 Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
I keep seeing people saying that that image is of a young girl's head on an older woman's body, but I can't recall the last time I saw a young girl with giant eyes and such a tiny mouth. It's just a stylised representation of a girl in her late teens to early 20s, and anyone who sees anything else in that image needs to ask themselves why. I too find it more disturbing that there are people who look at that picture and think 'pre-pubescent girl' than I do the picture itself.
It's true that anime (or more accuractely 'hentai') exists which represents young girls in sexual situations, but unless you've already seen such cartoons you shouldn't read anything more into innocent images such as this one. It's a style of art which is intended to make the human form look cute and fun, and is no more obscene than the fact that in western culture we draw our cartoon women with large breasts and hourglass figure.
The only issue I would potentially have with my children seeing this particular image is that it depicts a partially clothed adult female. Even then, I'd be far more worried about them finding real pornography on the internet than I would about them looking at a cartoon of a highly stylised half-naked woman sitting on the floor.
It's true that anime (or more accuractely 'hentai') exists which represents young girls in sexual situations, but unless you've already seen such cartoons you shouldn't read anything more into innocent images such as this one. It's a style of art which is intended to make the human form look cute and fun, and is no more obscene than the fact that in western culture we draw our cartoon women with large breasts and hourglass figure.
The only issue I would potentially have with my children seeing this particular image is that it depicts a partially clothed adult female. Even then, I'd be far more worried about them finding real pornography on the internet than I would about them looking at a cartoon of a highly stylised half-naked woman sitting on the floor.
grayhaze
Reply #75 Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 AM
Reply #75 Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 AM
Incidentally, I think Boxxi's skin looks great.
Jafo
Reply #76 Friday, September 10, 2004 9:14 AM
Reply #76 Friday, September 10, 2004 9:14 AM
grayhaze....a fact of sexual attraction revolves around male perception of potential fertility of the female image...specifically hip to waist proportion and proportional representation of facial features...the younger-looking the better. This is animal dynamics and well proven and researched.
The anime and/or hentai stylized image is a direct correlation of this attraction targeting....all to do with the 'ideal' proportions of facial characteristics deemed the popular attractant.
Do an analysis of the 'traditional' female 'beauty' and compare.
Who is claimed to be the world's most 'beautiful' actress?.....Audrey Hepburn....she have large eyes for her face proportion? ...sure does.
There's nothing magical or obscure about the motivation behind the anime artist's styling choice.....just pure physics of biology.
This big-eyed, young faced, well endowed 'creation' is not easily dismissed as being a fault of the beholder...it is marketing-specific, with one intent...to titillate the predatory sex [male].
Only a small part of it can be excused as the Japanese predilection towards western features [eyes less-heavily lidded], the real issue is with a dissimilar social response to sexuality being depicted in the young.
Do a search on 'hentai' and you get a clearer idea of where it all goes a bit 'wrong'....
Essencay
Reply #77 Friday, September 10, 2004 11:08 AM
Reply #77 Friday, September 10, 2004 11:08 AM
What I find odd is while this type of imagery of what an "idealized" [used very loosely] woman looks like is objectionable to some parents and yet parents buy by the bucket-load a bikini-clad doll with "idealized" proportions and ageless youth in the form of Barbie for their little girls
Alternate Setting
Reply #78 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:20 PM
Reply #78 Friday, September 10, 2004 12:20 PM
Sir Greyhaze I've looked at my super-duper 'How to draw Manga' book by 'The Society for the Study of Manga Techniques' whoever they may be. I have come to two conclusions.
1. As near as I can tell the features are nearer those of a girl not a woman.
2. It is permissable in manga to use the dimension of a childs face when drawing adults in order to give them a degree of cuteness.
So no help there then, although it clearly defies your assessment of how these features may be interpreted.
Unfortunately copyright prevents me from offering images and text from the relevant section.
I might also add to those that worry about people attempting to assess such images - there is a world of difference between attempting to judge if an image is portraying sexuality in a permissable and decent fashion and finding a picture inherently sensual.
Like I've said elsewhere its not for me - but I'm not sufficiently worried to say that it's something that others shouldn't have.
PS. I think Jafo and myself may just have agreed on something
1. As near as I can tell the features are nearer those of a girl not a woman.
2. It is permissable in manga to use the dimension of a childs face when drawing adults in order to give them a degree of cuteness.
So no help there then, although it clearly defies your assessment of how these features may be interpreted.
Unfortunately copyright prevents me from offering images and text from the relevant section.
I might also add to those that worry about people attempting to assess such images - there is a world of difference between attempting to judge if an image is portraying sexuality in a permissable and decent fashion and finding a picture inherently sensual.
Like I've said elsewhere its not for me - but I'm not sufficiently worried to say that it's something that others shouldn't have.
PS. I think Jafo and myself may just have agreed on something
Doreen
Reply #79 Friday, September 10, 2004 7:29 PM
Reply #79 Friday, September 10, 2004 7:29 PM
Hi China! Doing okay and hope you are too 
and nope me no show fonts that's dangerous around here! (ppl start manipulating things all over the place) hehe
and nope me no show fonts that's dangerous around here! (ppl start manipulating things all over the place) hehe
CygnusXII
Reply #80 Friday, September 10, 2004 7:38 PM
Reply #80 Friday, September 10, 2004 7:38 PM
Well, how about a Calvin Kline wallpaper, of some guy wearing nothing but some boxers?
I mean that is clothing, it cover his "package." Most of the Adverts I have seen, like that usually show some guy, that is well of an adult age. yet is would also seem inappropriate, albeit withing the guidelines of good taste we are discussing. Does it make it any different? does it become any more acceptable? Non acceptable? It is sad when an Image evokes the merest thoughts of Paedophilia, or even the hint of impropriety. Being a father of a Teenaged, Daughter I have become very alert to anything untowards with my Daughter. I am overly protective of her, and am the Baseball Bat weilding type of Father. I have a hard time with todays fashions for teenagers, and have to keep my mouth shut alot. (Don't even get me started of the Fashion thing!) My wife is the final arbeiter when it comes to the Clothes issues. I am Father Fogey. Anyways that being said, I am disheartened, when I logged on to WC Today and see BoXXIs' Screener, MAngled. I make this suggestion, mayhaps WinCustomize should give an Artist the ability to have dual Click Method to view anything that an Artist would think is untowards, or of objectionable content to the WC Audience. I also further think, that WC should come up with a "Edited Image" Graphic to be provided to an Artist, Downloadable, and applicable to their Images when anything is in question. Something like a Circle with edited through the Center, like the GhostBusters Circle.edited.jpg (JPEG Image, 200x200 pixels)
I mean that is clothing, it cover his "package." Most of the Adverts I have seen, like that usually show some guy, that is well of an adult age. yet is would also seem inappropriate, albeit withing the guidelines of good taste we are discussing. Does it make it any different? does it become any more acceptable? Non acceptable? It is sad when an Image evokes the merest thoughts of Paedophilia, or even the hint of impropriety. Being a father of a Teenaged, Daughter I have become very alert to anything untowards with my Daughter. I am overly protective of her, and am the Baseball Bat weilding type of Father. I have a hard time with todays fashions for teenagers, and have to keep my mouth shut alot. (Don't even get me started of the Fashion thing!) My wife is the final arbeiter when it comes to the Clothes issues. I am Father Fogey. Anyways that being said, I am disheartened, when I logged on to WC Today and see BoXXIs' Screener, MAngled. I make this suggestion, mayhaps WinCustomize should give an Artist the ability to have dual Click Method to view anything that an Artist would think is untowards, or of objectionable content to the WC Audience. I also further think, that WC should come up with a "Edited Image" Graphic to be provided to an Artist, Downloadable, and applicable to their Images when anything is in question. Something like a Circle with edited through the Center, like the GhostBusters Circle.edited.jpg (JPEG Image, 200x200 pixels)
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Reply #61 Thursday, September 9, 2004 10:49 PM