How little we are...
Sunday, August 1, 2004 by paxx | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
First of, if you don't believe in the Bing Bang and Evolution, skip this thread and go to the next one. This is not meant as a religious debate. Open your Adam and Eve thread and I promise not to butt in it.
I'm serious...
Now, I'm sure a lot of you have already heard of the cosmic calendar, but it still amazes me to think how little we are in the history of the universe. Basically if we condensed all the history of the universe into one single year, where the Bing Bang happened one the first second of January 1st and today being midnight sharp on 31st December, all our known history only happened in the last 15 seconds. Wow...
Check this link out for more details: here.
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Doreen
Reply #42 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:27 PM
Reply #42 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:27 PM
Doreen comes to bug paxxy and take his thread off topic...
jussssss kidding carry on bro
jussssss kidding carry on bro
paxx
Reply #43 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:40 PM
Reply #43 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:40 PM
It's just easier for people to understand one month than one billion years, you know, that's all. It's reducing the scale, just like it's sometimes easier to admire the architecture of a building if you see it smaller. If the Big Bang happened one year ago, then writting was invented only 15 seconds ago, and Columbus dicovered America only 1 second ago. How long is a human life in this? 1/10th of a second?
How long is a human life in this? 1/10th of a second?
Doreen
Reply #44 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:50 PM
Reply #44 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:50 PM
For me it always blows my mind when I look up at night, makes me always realize how nothing we are...
Doreen
Reply #45 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:52 PM
Reply #45 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:52 PM
and then of course the nagging questions "why" w/o the answer... (that part sucks) hehe
craeonics
Reply #46 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:07 PM
Reply #46 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:07 PM
Aha, another one who has grasped the infinity of space.
Aleatoric
Reply #47 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:15 PM
Reply #47 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:15 PM
It's kind of sad, in a way, that so many people can't see the sky without interference (city lights, mostly).
If one can find a place well away from any light interference on a clear night (out at sea is very nice, since you can see horizon to horizon), it's amazing how much more striking the skyscape is, and it really drives home the scale of what you're seeing far more than the comparatively meager display one gets in the populated areas.
It's one of the most awesome views I've ever seen.
If one can find a place well away from any light interference on a clear night (out at sea is very nice, since you can see horizon to horizon), it's amazing how much more striking the skyscape is, and it really drives home the scale of what you're seeing far more than the comparatively meager display one gets in the populated areas.
It's one of the most awesome views I've ever seen.
CygnusXII
Reply #48 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:35 PM
Reply #48 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:35 PM
The Infinateness of the "Without" is as Vast as the "Within."
"There are No Greater Depth's than that of the Soul"
"I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride my MotorCycle."
Arlo Guthrie
You guys might be interested to read some of Robert J. Sawyers' Books, given the topic of discussion.
http://www.sfwriter.com/
Website of Robert J. Sawyer
Book Hominids
"Discover What It Means To Be Human
A bridge opens to a parallel Earth where Neanderthals survived to the present day and we did not. "
The whole series is like this, and it makes for an interesting read.
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"There are No Greater Depth's than that of the Soul"
"I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride my MotorCycle."
Arlo Guthrie
You guys might be interested to read some of Robert J. Sawyers' Books, given the topic of discussion.
http://www.sfwriter.com/
Website of Robert J. Sawyer
Book Hominids
"Discover What It Means To Be Human
A bridge opens to a parallel Earth where Neanderthals survived to the present day and we did not. "
The whole series is like this, and it makes for an interesting read.
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_footsie_
Reply #49 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 7:00 PM ...a short somewhat simply edited exerpt from Elements of Theosophy by Lilian Edger: (printed London) the author's note is dated 1903....and she speaks of the society as being around 25 years old at the time...which does not mean to say that theosophy per se began at that time, I'm convinced it's been around the universe for a whole lot longer lol...but that the Theosophical Society as a coordinated group began around that time....
***
The 'Theosophical Society' is no new sect it does not aim at propogating some new religion.
No one is asked what religion *they belongs to when *they wishe to join there are in the society Christians, Parsis, Hindus, Mohammedans, Buddhists..*.all shades of opinion...there are those that profess no relion, free thinkers, materialists.
None are asked to leave *their religion because *they are not asked to subscribe to any creed or dogma. All that is asked is that by *their life they shall try to bring nearer
the realization of the ideal of brotherhood, and that in all matters of opinion, whether religious or otherwise, *they shall show to those who disagree with them the same perfect tolerance that *they would wish to be shown toward *themselves.
)I still gotta lotta woik ta do on that part) lol
Basically it's a band of students who try to bring to their study especially of philosophy and religion an open and unprejudiced mind, a recognition that the knowledge
of any individual is limited and imperfect, and a willingness to receive truth, in whatever direction *they may find it
and thus add to *their store of knowledge.
***
some very interesting reads:
I wish I could understand more of it...
The Seven Principles of Man Annie Besant
Karma Annie Besant
The Secret Doctrine H.P. Blavatsky
The Voice of the Silence H.P. Blavatsky
and many more that I can't begin to understand lol
I also dig Omni and Star Trek and Nasa Tv...
does that count????
Reply #49 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 7:00 PM
...a short somewhat simply edited exerpt from Elements of Theosophy by Lilian Edger: (printed London) the author's note is dated 1903....and she speaks of the society as being around 25 years old at the time...which does not mean to say that theosophy per se began at that time, I'm convinced it's been around the universe for a whole lot longer lol...but that the Theosophical Society as a coordinated group began around that time.... ***
The 'Theosophical Society' is no new sect it does not aim at propogating some new religion.
No one is asked what religion *they belongs to when *they wishe to join there are in the society Christians, Parsis, Hindus, Mohammedans, Buddhists..*.all shades of opinion...there are those that profess no relion, free thinkers, materialists.
None are asked to leave *their religion because *they are not asked to subscribe to any creed or dogma. All that is asked is that by *their life they shall try to bring nearer
the realization of the ideal of brotherhood, and that in all matters of opinion, whether religious or otherwise, *they shall show to those who disagree with them the same perfect tolerance that *they would wish to be shown toward *themselves.
)I still gotta lotta woik ta do on that part) lol
Basically it's a band of students who try to bring to their study especially of philosophy and religion an open and unprejudiced mind, a recognition that the knowledge
of any individual is limited and imperfect, and a willingness to receive truth, in whatever direction *they may find it
and thus add to *their store of knowledge.
***
some very interesting reads:
I wish I could understand more of it...
The Seven Principles of Man Annie Besant
Karma Annie Besant
The Secret Doctrine H.P. Blavatsky
The Voice of the Silence H.P. Blavatsky
and many more that I can't begin to understand lol
I also dig Omni and Star Trek and Nasa Tv...
does that count????
craeonics
Reply #50 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 7:51 PM
Reply #50 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 7:51 PM
Oh my god, she actually meant theosophy! The Secret Doctrine's online, by the way. For example, here: http://sacred-texts.com/the/sd/index.htm
Doreen
Reply #51 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:05 PM
Reply #51 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:05 PM
What in the world dutchy? I truely believe ppl that read too much will never find God (all those "words" plus the order of them! just get in the way) hehe
Doreen
Reply #52 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:06 PM
Reply #52 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:06 PM
Doreen goes back to that link and try to figure that out...
IPlural
Reply #53 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:09 PM
Reply #53 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:09 PM
Well, lets see, this is the second direction someone has attempted to stuff God into the thread...
at this point it is all down hill...
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at this point it is all down hill...
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Doreen
Reply #54 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:26 PM
Reply #54 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:26 PM
Don't panic IPlural relaxxx (I've already been there and done that over here along w/ everyone else)
I was just commenting on that link craeonics put which has a ton of reading and some strange stuff pertaining to alottt of diff things (including God & Religion) but those are jussss two words so you can calm down I don't care to talk about it I'm too tired tonight
I was just commenting on that link craeonics put which has a ton of reading and some strange stuff pertaining to alottt of diff things (including God & Religion) but those are jussss two words so you can calm down I don't care to talk about it I'm too tired tonight
IPlural
Reply #55 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 10:55 PM
Reply #55 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 10:55 PM
The science of the topic dictates keeping to that, science.
God and Religion might only be two words, but they are two words used to lable two of the main reasons for death and war in human history...
I also think that in an over all look at the subject, myth, mythology, theology, philosophy, science and even the odd rantings of crack pots such as L Ron Hubbard would have to all be taken into consideration without a doubt
The thing I would really like to see most is a parting of the ways on thread bushwhacking which has historically taken place on many different topics, mainly.
To consider one specific area of a major topic is good, but to hold ones self to only one path of reasoning is limiting, doing the person and the complexity of social cognition injustice to say the least.
and it definitely lends to hanging blinders on ones head by ones own hands...
anyway...
God and Religion might only be two words, but they are two words used to lable two of the main reasons for death and war in human history...
I also think that in an over all look at the subject, myth, mythology, theology, philosophy, science and even the odd rantings of crack pots such as L Ron Hubbard would have to all be taken into consideration without a doubt
The thing I would really like to see most is a parting of the ways on thread bushwhacking which has historically taken place on many different topics, mainly.
To consider one specific area of a major topic is good, but to hold ones self to only one path of reasoning is limiting, doing the person and the complexity of social cognition injustice to say the least.
and it definitely lends to hanging blinders on ones head by ones own hands...
anyway...
lovesblessing
Reply #56 Wednesday, August 4, 2004 12:24 AM
Reply #56 Wednesday, August 4, 2004 12:24 AM
Mr. Paxx, Mr. IPlural, and anyone else that thinks I was trying to start a contoversy on this thread by what I posted, I apologize. I'm sorry if you all took it as an attempt to start a debate. I wasn't trying to cause a problem, please excuse me. And just for the record here, I believe that when the universe began, there probably was a Big Bang sound....I just happen to believe that it started from a different reason than the evolutionists do! And, I really would like to know how evolution explains why caterpillers & worms turn into butterflies and moths! I just think it would be interesting to hear, ya know? So, does anybody know the answer to that, please and thank-you?
lovesblessing will now go away and not bother you folks anymore in here. Bye!
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And just for the record here, I believe that when the universe began, there probably was a Big Bang sound....I just happen to believe that it started from a different reason than the evolutionists do! And, I really would like to know how evolution explains why caterpillers & worms turn into butterflies and moths! I just think it would be interesting to hear, ya know? So, does anybody know the answer to that, please and thank-you? lovesblessing will now go away and not bother you folks anymore in here. Bye!
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IPlural
Reply #57 Friday, August 6, 2004 6:09 AM
Reply #57 Friday, August 6, 2004 6:09 AM
show on A&E right now about Creation and how Evolution is crap...
rather interesting to see it all twisted around like this...
rather interesting to see it all twisted around like this...
Jafo
Reply #58 Friday, August 6, 2004 8:35 AM
Reply #58 Friday, August 6, 2004 8:35 AM
To save poor old Mister paxx from the tearing of hair over 'digressed threaditis' it's probably sage to don chastity belt....
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Reply #41 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:26 PM
I've read that off the link a few times and I still don't get it? hehe!
(what diff does time make nor effect on anything really)