How little we are...
Sunday, August 1, 2004 by paxx | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
First of, if you don't believe in the Bing Bang and Evolution, skip this thread and go to the next one. This is not meant as a religious debate. Open your Adam and Eve thread and I promise not to butt in it.
I'm serious...
Now, I'm sure a lot of you have already heard of the cosmic calendar, but it still amazes me to think how little we are in the history of the universe. Basically if we condensed all the history of the universe into one single year, where the Bing Bang happened one the first second of January 1st and today being midnight sharp on 31st December, all our known history only happened in the last 15 seconds. Wow...
Check this link out for more details: here.
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craeonics
Reply #22 Monday, August 2, 2004 10:25 AM
Reply #22 Monday, August 2, 2004 10:25 AM
And yet, everyone thinks all of existence focuses on him or herself.
'Sides, "how little we are": on a cosmic scale we fall through the atoms.
'Sides, "how little we are": on a cosmic scale we fall through the atoms.
TYBSP
Reply #23 Monday, August 2, 2004 10:50 AM
Reply #23 Monday, August 2, 2004 10:50 AM
IPlural
My answer to your question is this:
There are Holes permeating the idea of evolution just as evolutionists feel that there are holes in the Adam and Eve theory. The Idea of a Big Bang works for both beliefs. Was all matter balled up in one big ball and then it exploded on its own or was there some intervention. The original thread from paxx stated if you dont believe in the Big Bang and Evolution then it was not for you. Well in a sense, I do believe in both but not in the sense that I came from a friggen monkey. I certainly did not discuss religion, I simply put out a question that was meant to gain an understanding as to why a person can actually believe they came from a monkey.
The Big Bang is a believable theory IMO and an interesting discussion point.
My answer to your question is this:
There are Holes permeating the idea of evolution just as evolutionists feel that there are holes in the Adam and Eve theory. The Idea of a Big Bang works for both beliefs. Was all matter balled up in one big ball and then it exploded on its own or was there some intervention. The original thread from paxx stated if you dont believe in the Big Bang and Evolution then it was not for you. Well in a sense, I do believe in both but not in the sense that I came from a friggen monkey. I certainly did not discuss religion, I simply put out a question that was meant to gain an understanding as to why a person can actually believe they came from a monkey.
The Big Bang is a believable theory IMO and an interesting discussion point.
UBoB
Reply #24 Monday, August 2, 2004 11:41 AM
Reply #24 Monday, August 2, 2004 11:41 AM
I'll quote it once again for those that missed it the first two times.
Start your own thread and leave this one for paxx.
| First of, if you don't believe in the Bing Bang and Evolution, skip this thread and go to the next one. This is not meant as a religious debate. Open your Adam and Eve thread and I promise not to butt in it.I'm serious |
Start your own thread and leave this one for paxx.
Apocalypse_67
Reply #26 Monday, August 2, 2004 3:28 PM
Evolution is a theory in constant study taking in consideration all that surrounds us to determine how exactly was the universe (and life) created.
Adam and Eve is (according to the bible) a fact and not a theory
We did not evolved from a 'monkey' The string of cells that generated the 'modern human DNA' were spawns of an original cell that gave way to different species of mammals each one evolved in a different way. The much often comparison of man to apes/monkeys is do to the fact that they are the closest thing (behavior and appearance wise) to the human form.
As explained by a professor at the NYC Museum of Natural History
Reply #26 Monday, August 2, 2004 3:28 PM
| There are Holes permeating the idea of evolution just as evolutionists feel that there are holes in the Adam and Eve theory. |
Evolution is a theory in constant study taking in consideration all that surrounds us to determine how exactly was the universe (and life) created.
Adam and Eve is (according to the bible) a fact and not a theory
| I do believe in both but not in the sense that I came from a friggen monkey |
We did not evolved from a 'monkey' The string of cells that generated the 'modern human DNA' were spawns of an original cell that gave way to different species of mammals each one evolved in a different way. The much often comparison of man to apes/monkeys is do to the fact that they are the closest thing (behavior and appearance wise) to the human form.
As explained by a professor at the NYC Museum of Natural History
TYBSP
Reply #27 Monday, August 2, 2004 3:51 PM
Reply #27 Monday, August 2, 2004 3:51 PM
I agree Apocalypse.
Sorry to have inflamed ppl. I was just making a comment and not trying to go against what paxx originally said.
Sorry to have inflamed ppl. I was just making a comment and not trying to go against what paxx originally said.
CygnusXII
Reply #28 Monday, August 2, 2004 4:50 PM
Reply #28 Monday, August 2, 2004 4:50 PM
[Tin Foil Hat time]
I believe that the planet was seeded, and a genetic structure for mankind was deposited on earth. HA!
Whether it be asteroidal, manufactured probe, or whatever. I have a hard time believing in mere happenstance that the complex genetic sequence just happened, along.
But seriously I think the evolution of the gene sequence, is remarkable, to have evolved. Even more amazing is that the gene sequences for as many lifeforms, that are on this planet, have evolved. It's like lightning in a bottle..to the N'th degree.
So this is why I tend to lean towards the Terra Seeding philosophy.
Being that there is such a genetic and ecological interdependance.
We are just now discovering, interactions from species, that were not known before. As we kill off species and observe their effects on th ecological front.
Now I do not want this to be interpreted as a Religious or even remotley religous leaning. I do belive in a Superior Being, only in the respect that Mankind, is a unevoluted distant relative, and is heading that way.
I believe that the planet was seeded, and a genetic structure for mankind was deposited on earth. HA!
Whether it be asteroidal, manufactured probe, or whatever. I have a hard time believing in mere happenstance that the complex genetic sequence just happened, along.
But seriously I think the evolution of the gene sequence, is remarkable, to have evolved. Even more amazing is that the gene sequences for as many lifeforms, that are on this planet, have evolved. It's like lightning in a bottle..to the N'th degree.
So this is why I tend to lean towards the Terra Seeding philosophy.
Being that there is such a genetic and ecological interdependance.
We are just now discovering, interactions from species, that were not known before. As we kill off species and observe their effects on th ecological front.
Now I do not want this to be interpreted as a Religious or even remotley religous leaning. I do belive in a Superior Being, only in the respect that Mankind, is a unevoluted distant relative, and is heading that way.
kona0197
Reply #29 Monday, August 2, 2004 5:59 PM
Reply #29 Monday, August 2, 2004 5:59 PM
kona0197 remembers the "Creation vs Evoulution" thread last year..
Aleatoric
Reply #30 Monday, August 2, 2004 11:45 PM
Reply #30 Monday, August 2, 2004 11:45 PM
kona,
hang on a second while I warm up my keyboard
(Just kidding!)
hang on a second while I warm up my keyboard
(Just kidding!)
lovesblessing
Reply #31 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 12:33 AM
Reply #31 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 12:33 AM
Okay folks, for all you true believers in evolution out there, science has now proven that all mammals descend from a prehistoric rat! http://www.mnh.si.edu/mammals/mammalpictures/morgie.htm
Just so you know the truth now! Wouldn't want you to believe that humans were only evolved from monkeys! Rats are so much more.....creepy!
I mean if it's in the Smithsonian it must be the truth, right??????
lovesblessing has been wondering how evolution explains why caterpillers and worms turn into butterflys and moths?????? I mean couldn't evolution make up it's mind on what they were 'sposed to be? Worms or butterflys?????
Just so you know the truth now! Wouldn't want you to believe that humans were only evolved from monkeys! Rats are so much more.....creepy!
I mean if it's in the Smithsonian it must be the truth, right??????
lovesblessing has been wondering how evolution explains why caterpillers and worms turn into butterflys and moths?????? I mean couldn't evolution make up it's mind on what they were 'sposed to be? Worms or butterflys?????
IPlural
Reply #32 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 1:15 AM
hehe
Reply #32 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 1:15 AM
| hang on a second while I warm up my keyboard (Just kidding!) |
hehe
IPlural
Reply #33 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 1:42 AM
Reply #33 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 1:42 AM
I find it really hard to understand how people I feel are of reasonable intelligence can not keep in mind the very first post that started this thread to begin with...
Totally asinine of them in my opinion...
Totally asinine of them in my opinion...
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #34 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 1:47 AM
Reply #34 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 1:47 AM
Summary......crapload of stuff happened way before we noticed it........somebody started keeping track of it...... 
kona0197
Reply #35 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:20 AM
Reply #35 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 3:20 AM
I agree with Iplural on this one.. go start your own thread!!
paxx
Reply #36 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:13 AM
Reply #36 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:13 AM
Yes, please, this is not about debating if Evolution is true or not. It's a thread for people who believe in it to ponder on how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of things.
And just for the record, loveblessing, that animal would be the ancestor of all mamals, not just the ancestor of primates. That means the ancestor of rats, dogs, lions, girafes, etc. Even whales. And before that, we decend from fishes, and before that from virus-like cellular organism. I don't see any contradiction between the fact that monkeys and humans have a common ancestor, and that this ancestor has another ancestor. The fact that you're your mother's child, is that a contradiction to the fact that you're your grandmother's granchild?
Anyway, if you wish to discuss this further, please open an "Disccussion about Evolution" thread. But we alread had many of them.
_footsie_
Reply #37 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:09 AM
Reply #37 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:09 AM
It's my thought that we need to take the term 'Evolution' and use it on a little larger scale than just the Earth.... I believe that science, philosophy and theosophy are tied together on a much grander scale that just our third rock from the sun
I believe that science, philosophy and theosophy are tied together on a much grander scale that just our third rock from the sun
craeonics
Reply #38 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 12:34 PM
Reply #38 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 12:34 PM
Did my eye spot the term "theosophy"? As in: the believe that mankind is curently being in its fifth evolutionary cycle and was preceded by Atlanteans, Lemurians, Hyperboreans and Polarians (to name just a fragment of this school of thought)?
Or did you mean "theology"?
Or did you mean "theology"?
CygnusXII
Reply #39 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:20 PM
Reply #39 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:20 PM
Dang. (Theosophy) wasted a nickel word there.
To borrow from Wikipedia (One of my Faves BTW.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Wikipedia
Theosophy A stricter definition from the Concise Oxford Dictionary describes theosophy as "any of various philosophies professing to achieve a knowledge of God by spiritual ecstasy, direct intuition, or special individual relations, esp. a modern movement following Hindu and Buddhist teachings and seeking universal brotherhood."
So everyone Get yer KEDS, and Rolls of Quarters ready, we's a goin' home.
Seriously though, I agree but why limit the evolutionary Concept, and evolution of the Human Species to just one, teensie Planet.
If you believe in Evolution, then you have to believe in LGM's (Little Green Men.) I mean let's just accept the whole thing. If we have evolved, then there has to be somewhere another species, that has evolved, and as we have technological advancement, then they to must be advanced and possibly more so."We evolved ero they Must Evolve." "We are ergo they are." Sadly it was reported that CygnusXII completed the typing of his note, proved Black was White, and was run over at the nearest Zebra Crossing.
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(Theosophy) wasted a nickel word there.To borrow from Wikipedia (One of my Faves BTW.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Wikipedia
Theosophy A stricter definition from the Concise Oxford Dictionary describes theosophy as "any of various philosophies professing to achieve a knowledge of God by spiritual ecstasy, direct intuition, or special individual relations, esp. a modern movement following Hindu and Buddhist teachings and seeking universal brotherhood."
So everyone Get yer KEDS, and Rolls of Quarters ready, we's a goin' home.
Seriously though, I agree but why limit the evolutionary Concept, and evolution of the Human Species to just one, teensie Planet.
If you believe in Evolution, then you have to believe in LGM's (Little Green Men.) I mean let's just accept the whole thing. If we have evolved, then there has to be somewhere another species, that has evolved, and as we have technological advancement, then they to must be advanced and possibly more so."We evolved ero they Must Evolve." "We are ergo they are." Sadly it was reported that CygnusXII completed the typing of his note, proved Black was White, and was run over at the nearest Zebra Crossing.
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CygnusXII
Reply #40 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:23 PM
Reply #40 Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:23 PM
This is just the wrong thread to post, whilst I am in the middle of a Carl Sagan (Cosmos) Marathon. I tried to warn ya.
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Reply #21 Monday, August 2, 2004 10:07 AM
Proof! I say this is proof that Humans are the most intelligent of all they purvey. hehehe