What's the point? Why have the site at all?
Sunday, July 25, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I don't often bring this up but I sometimes wonder why we even have this site. I get considerable hate mail every single day because of this site.
Someone didn't get a wallpaper accepted. No idea what the wallpaper was since I didn't moderate it but I get called a Nazi or worse.
Some other guy's network connection isn't working and can't access their skin for some reason so naturally we deleted it because we're "assholes".
And don't even get me started about the people who run into the 50 megabyte limits. You can be assured that for every guy who posts something here, I get 2 emails about it explaining why I am personally a putrid human being.
And I've had days where I get called a "fucking Nazi" and a "blood sucking Jew" (I'm not even Jewish) for things ranging from not "doing something" about the ratings on the site or some comment on some skin that I didn't remove.
And on top of that, this site costs a fortune to run.  The ONLY reason this site is remotely possible to keep up at this point is because of the generous volunteers who run this site day to day.  The admins and moderators who, I might add, often get treated poorly and without any kind of gratitude.  The other variable are the people who SUBSCRIBE to the site.  I.e. pay the $20 for 2 years.
One of the few pleasures I get out of the site lately has been to write about things that interest me.  I realize that some people don't like "blogs".  Or me ranting about niche developer stuff.  What does a PC user care if some obscure Mac developer is getting screwed over by Apple? Why should I keep "whining" about it? It doesn't affect Stardock one iota. If anything, it helps Stardock by taking out a potential competitor.
But I can't even do that without people bitching about THAT. Sure, those people don't know about all the crap that I and others have to put up with on a daily basis because of the site.
But then again, neither does the egomaniac skinner who sends me the nastygram telling me how I'm a parasite on the backs of skinners for working to make customization software.  And the "artist" who sends me a 10 page email insisting that other artists like him should be getting a "royalty" off of every WinCustomize subscription because it is really THEY who matter.  THEY, their ART is what makes this site run and for me to even suggest that developers, moderators, or even users fit in is a demonstration of my "arrogance" and "ignorance" of the circle of life that is the skinning community. That guy doesn't know about the crap we go through either.  Not that he'd be interested.
Right now, what's really helping keep thigns going besides the wonderful people who moderate this site and the users gracious enough to purchase WC subscriptions is the IT team working full time to create the next generation WinCustomize.  Their hard work and tireless devotion to trying to make something really special helps keep the excitement going.
But to those who feel the need to email me telling me that writing non-news items is a "waste of their time" or "yet another example of your petty egoism" or are just "lame rantings", I say to you: Fuck you. Of those who have emailed me, who have accounts, NOT ONE of them has a WC subscription.
Most people dont' seem to have a problem with editorials. And those who don't like them who have posted on the message boards have been at least constructive about it. I have a LOT more respect for the guy who publicly writes their views than the coward who just sends hate mail from their anonymous Hotmail or Yahoo or whatever email account spewing venom at me.
But I'm not having fun right now with this site.  I look at the bills (hundreds of thousands of dollars a year).  I look at my inbox.  And I ask "Why? What's the point?" 
Sorry if I sound a little depressed. I think everyone has those days once in awhile.  And I'm having one today.
Reply #2 Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:47 PM
goodmorphing points out that Hawaii is nice too....
Everybody gets to have those kinds of days, even top frogs.  I don't know a way to make it better, all the darkness, but I do know you have the right to say and feel and do what you want (within the socially acceptable realm).  Especially if you are paying for everything.
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Reply #4 Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:54 PM
I can relate Brad... obviously I've had enough of that kind of day I kinda disapeared.
Hate to see you so down. I know what kind of effort you put out. Don't think it's totally unapreciated though. To many of us you're an example of the best of the skinning world and a damn fine human being too...
Reply #5 Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:54 PM
I ditto what everyone else said. Just try to stick through it.
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Reply #6 Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:56 PM
Oh, just keep a stiff upper lip and ignore them or you'll go crazy.
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Reply #7 Monday, July 26, 2004 12:04 AM
I agree that those who posts have in least more courage, if not sense, than those who anonymously send those crap.
Reply #8 Monday, July 26, 2004 12:07 AM
oh and froggy .. we all have them days .. just ignore the lamos. many of us here appreciate the work you guys do.......

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Reply #10 Monday, July 26, 2004 12:15 AM
As one of you suscribers here, I just want to say, please calm down some....we don't want you to bust a gusset or blow a fuse in you inards. If people are unkind, well, consider this, that hurting people, hurt other people....and you being upset just makes them the winners! Wincustomize is a wonderfully run website, and if folks have problems, it's their problem not your's. Don't let them get to you. You are doing a good job and a great service to the skinning community, and the people who appreciate it know that, and they are the folks that matter....not the jerks.
Thank you for creating the great software that makes my 3 Holy Cows look so much better than when they were just wearing Mr. Bill's idea of style!
And thank you too, to the folks who create the cool graphics here! Someday I hope I will be able to contribute something to share with others, but until then, I'm gonna try and be a light around here and try and bring a smile to folks faces. Please remember, I can be verrry trying!

Anyway, Mr. Brad, calm down and cheer up! And don't let the jerks get to you....that makes them the winners!
lovesblessing sends many blessings to you Mr. Brad! And the great folks who help to run this site too!

Reply #11 Monday, July 26, 2004 12:15 AM
And I am probably going to purchase OD Plus as well.If you want to rant on the front page about something you wish to share, great. I am happy for you. I may not agree with what you say sometimes, but all in all it really doesn't matter if I agree or not. There are a lot more important things to worry about in this world, than who gets pissed over what anyone says or thinks. Enjoy your position in life and make the most of it.
If it wasn't for this website and your company, I wouldn't be customizing my computer. I appreciate the admins, mods, and the artists that contribute to this community. It takes a lot of time and dedication to make it work, so thanks. Some of us are happy to be here.
And if some don't like what you have here, too bad. There are other places on the internet to visit.

Reply #12 Monday, July 26, 2004 12:30 AM
I'm a little sad to read your story
I think that you musn't think about the reactions that some people give you. I know that is easier said then done, but people who use words like "nazi" and things like that... well they should be at least be put in some kind of institution.
These kind of people have a problem in their head.
Don't let these kind of people get to you!
I have also experienced many times via news-groups in The Netherlands these kind of reactions.
"We will find you"... "We come to your home" and so on...
Well, I have never seen them.....
I think for most of these kind of people it is more "bla bla bla" then actions.
Keep your head up Brad and i really hope that this site and other things of Stardock will not go away.
I'm very satisfied with the work of Stardock for already many years (since OS2) and it would be a shame if stupid people (well people... i'm not sure of that) would be the reason that things change.
Greetings,
bussie

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Reply #15 Monday, July 26, 2004 1:05 AM
As for the hate mail, it looks like it goes with the territory. Its not the first time and it wont be the last. But you are a Business man, and your the Boss, the situation looks like it will continue and as such has to be addressed. The Cretons will always be there I'm afraid. If WC is money down the drain you have the power to pull the plug anytime. This community (including myself) would be very disappointed with such a decision, but if the ecomonics demand there is not much the community can say.
lets hope its just a bad hair day

Reply #16 Monday, July 26, 2004 1:08 AM
| Sorry if I sound a little depressed |
A LITTLE?!
Everyone has days like this. Even us humans.
You have to take the good with the bad. Most times the good will always outwieght the bad.
About the royalties, if the people don't like it, they don't have to upload here. They can upload somewhere else or they can start thier own site.
Can't wait to see the new website!

Reply #17 Monday, July 26, 2004 1:36 AM
For every complaint you get, there are hundreds like me who use the Stardock progs and would not be without them.
WC is a regular visit for me every single day I come online.
It is human nature that when things are going perfectly people don't mention it so the complaints come to the fore.
Take a short break my friend and switch off for a bit.
Take care

Reply #18 Monday, July 26, 2004 1:43 AM
So, to sum it up, there is still a large population of internet users that are still under the impression that the net is free and everything on it should be free as well. Don't let thoae ignorant folks piss in your cheerios.
Reply #19 Monday, July 26, 2004 1:47 AM
Ah....Ande...the word is 'cretin'...
 
....I know this 'cos I'm in the same boat....having to deal with them on a daily basis....
I get off more lightly than Brad [Frogboy] because it's not my accountant asking 'why do you do it?'....but try my darnedest [as do the others] to 'cut off at the pass' as much of the 'bitching' as we can to perhaps help minimize what 'gets through to the keeper' [cricket term].
In theory Brad shouldn't be the target of much of this stuff [if any] as it's the role of the site Admins/Wizops to deal with the dramas [imagined or otherwise] as a whole....'a problem shared', etc....
Sadly it's not the squillions of 'users & skinners' that are happy with things we remember but the handful of miscreants or professional whingers that DEMAND some form of 'jumping through hoops on our part' to accommodate them.
In an ideal world the community here would find its own amicable level....and generally does....but every now and then a 'drama queen' spits a dummy over an irrelevance and anyone failing to acquiesce is 'scum of the earth'.
On many occasions I've been tempted to politely tell them where to get off, and yet I personally don't have the added pressure of justifying the commercial viability of the Site, while being bombarded with the negativity.
In all fainess I cannot begrudge Brad's choice of vocabulary, as mine [in his position] would be far more colourful....
Reply #20 Monday, July 26, 2004 1:52 AM
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Reply #1 Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:37 PM
ya need the beach now and then!
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