Can Someone please tell me if these computer parts are worth the money?
Thursday, June 10, 2004 by JD89187 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have a gateway right now. Im not very happy with its performance. I want a PC used for gaming. Can someone tell me if these parts are worth getting:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=860175&Sku=S450-4102%20B
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=236516&Sku=S203-1704
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=366862&Sku=U13-4008&CatId=198
I dont want to go too much over these prices either...
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=860175&Sku=S450-4102%20B
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=236516&Sku=S203-1704
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=366862&Sku=U13-4008&CatId=198
I dont want to go too much over these prices either...
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HG_Eliminator
Reply #42 Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:38 PM
Reply #42 Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:38 PM
yes when your working within a budget then $ is the key factor.. my post was actually a recomendation for building an extreme gaming pc and the bare bones setup he posted has a hdd in it .. i made a recomendation on another way to go if he was buying a hdd ...since id read posts talking about building one instead so at $150 which is abt the same price as a 160 gig 133 it wouldnt be out of his $ range . and yes kona fsb is a important factor. good point.
SelfExiled
Reply #43 Friday, June 11, 2004 2:28 AM
Reply #43 Friday, June 11, 2004 2:28 AM
I''m done. Nothing to prove. My system blazes. I''m playing Unreal II and I haven''t lagged a bit. I''m ready for Half Life II also. I just did exactly what JD89187 is trying to do. Upgrade his system for better gaming performance. And, I did it with basically the same starting system.
I can''t argue about cheaper, because I''m happy. And, I''ve found that cheaper is not always better. I''ve been sold on Pentium systems from the very beginning. I didn''t buy a Celeron and I won''t buy a AMD.
(Chas exits and shuts down WC to contimue UR II.)
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I can''t argue about cheaper, because I''m happy. And, I''ve found that cheaper is not always better. I''ve been sold on Pentium systems from the very beginning. I didn''t buy a Celeron and I won''t buy a AMD.
(Chas exits and shuts down WC to contimue UR II.)
[Message Edited]
SelfExiled
Reply #45 Friday, June 11, 2004 2:33 AM
P4 with a 800 Mhtz FSB here.
Reply #45 Friday, June 11, 2004 2:33 AM
| I still say that it all comes down to the FSB speed |
P4 with a 800 Mhtz FSB here.
Kevin_C
Reply #46 Friday, June 11, 2004 8:35 AM
Reply #46 Friday, June 11, 2004 8:35 AM
I can't honestly say I understand why there are so many people in here touting 64-bit processors.. Seeing as 64-bit OS and driver support are lacking at best and I don't think there are more than a handful of software apps written to support 64-bit processors. Am I missing something or is everyone here running the latest Linux build that has 64-bit support 
?? 64-bit computing will be great and probably considerably faster than what we see today, but not until everyone is running a 64-bit system from OS to apps. Until then anyone running a 64-bit processor is going to be like someone running their favorite accounting software from the WIndows 3.1 era on their blazing new P4 XP Pro system..
If I'm just seriously out of the loop here someone point me at some articles that have definitive data on the 64-bit processors because I've tried but can't find any...
?? 64-bit computing will be great and probably considerably faster than what we see today, but not until everyone is running a 64-bit system from OS to apps. Until then anyone running a 64-bit processor is going to be like someone running their favorite accounting software from the WIndows 3.1 era on their blazing new P4 XP Pro system..If I'm just seriously out of the loop here someone point me at some articles that have definitive data on the 64-bit processors because I've tried but can't find any...
IPlural
Reply #47 Friday, June 11, 2004 11:24 AM
Reply #47 Friday, June 11, 2004 11:24 AM
JD, Gateway bought... dum dum dum "eMachines"
I would look at one of their AMD 64 systems as a starting point. At one time they used off brand low grade Hardware when starting out. It left the system cheap in price and even cheaper in quality, but since the drop in Hardware for higher end parts over the last couple of years. They have been getting name brand parts in quanity which has let them keep their pricing very low and quility extreamly high.
for instance...
$669.99 - mail-in rebate $50.00 = $619.99
http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T3085
CPU: AMD Athlon™ XP 3000+ Processor
QuantiSpeed™ Architecture operates at 2.167 GHz
512KB L2 cache & 333MHz FSB
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Chipset: nVIDIA® nForce™2
Memory: 512 MB DDR (PC 2700)
Expandable to 2 GB
Hard Drive: 160 GB HDD (7200 RPM)
Optical Drives: DVD +/- RW Drive (Write Max: 4x DVD+/-R, 2.4x DVD+RW, 2x DVD-RW, 16x CD-R, 10x CDRW Reads 40x CD, 12x DVD), 48x Max. CD-ROM Drive
Media Reader: 8-in-1 Digital Media Manager (USB 2.0, Secure Digital (SD), Smart Media, Compact Flash, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO, Micro Drive, Multimedia Card)
Video: nVIDIA® GeForce4™ MX graphics (1 AGP 8x slot available)
Sound: nForce™ 6-channel Audio
Modem: 56K* ITU v.92 ready Fax/Modem
Network: 10/100Mbps built-in Ethernet
Peripherals: Premium Plus Multimedia Keyboard, 2-Button Wheel Mouse, Amplified Stereo Speakers
Dimensions: 7.25"w x 14.125"h x 16"d
Internet: AOL 3 month membership included, click here for details
Ports/Other: 5 USB 2.0 ports (4 in back 1 in Media Reader), 1 Serial, 1 Parallel, 2 PS/2, Audio-In & Out
Pre-Installed Software: Microsoft Works 7.0, Microsoft Money 2004, Encarta Online, Adobe® Acrobat® Reader™, Microsoft Media Player, Real Player, PowerDVD, Internet Explorer, Roxio Easy CD & DVD Creator Basic, CompuServe®, AOL (with 3 months membership included**), Norton AntiVirus 2004 (90 day complimentary subscription), BigFix®
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You can upgrade with 3rd part products as you like...
Or with the ones they list on the site...
But... It is a solid combination and system for the price.
I would look at one of their AMD 64 systems as a starting point. At one time they used off brand low grade Hardware when starting out. It left the system cheap in price and even cheaper in quality, but since the drop in Hardware for higher end parts over the last couple of years. They have been getting name brand parts in quanity which has let them keep their pricing very low and quility extreamly high.
for instance...
$669.99 - mail-in rebate $50.00 = $619.99
http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T3085
CPU: AMD Athlon™ XP 3000+ Processor
QuantiSpeed™ Architecture operates at 2.167 GHz
512KB L2 cache & 333MHz FSB
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Chipset: nVIDIA® nForce™2
Memory: 512 MB DDR (PC 2700)
Expandable to 2 GB
Hard Drive: 160 GB HDD (7200 RPM)
Optical Drives: DVD +/- RW Drive (Write Max: 4x DVD+/-R, 2.4x DVD+RW, 2x DVD-RW, 16x CD-R, 10x CDRW Reads 40x CD, 12x DVD), 48x Max. CD-ROM Drive
Media Reader: 8-in-1 Digital Media Manager (USB 2.0, Secure Digital (SD), Smart Media, Compact Flash, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO, Micro Drive, Multimedia Card)
Video: nVIDIA® GeForce4™ MX graphics (1 AGP 8x slot available)
Sound: nForce™ 6-channel Audio
Modem: 56K* ITU v.92 ready Fax/Modem
Network: 10/100Mbps built-in Ethernet
Peripherals: Premium Plus Multimedia Keyboard, 2-Button Wheel Mouse, Amplified Stereo Speakers
Dimensions: 7.25"w x 14.125"h x 16"d
Internet: AOL 3 month membership included, click here for details
Ports/Other: 5 USB 2.0 ports (4 in back 1 in Media Reader), 1 Serial, 1 Parallel, 2 PS/2, Audio-In & Out
Pre-Installed Software: Microsoft Works 7.0, Microsoft Money 2004, Encarta Online, Adobe® Acrobat® Reader™, Microsoft Media Player, Real Player, PowerDVD, Internet Explorer, Roxio Easy CD & DVD Creator Basic, CompuServe®, AOL (with 3 months membership included**), Norton AntiVirus 2004 (90 day complimentary subscription), BigFix®
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You can upgrade with 3rd part products as you like...
Or with the ones they list on the site...
But... It is a solid combination and system for the price.
IPlural
Reply #48 Friday, June 11, 2004 12:01 PM
Reply #48 Friday, June 11, 2004 12:01 PM
As far as a gaming system goes. I would just out right build that with what I wanted and price be damned.
One thing that has to be remembered though.
Todays $500.00 video card is the $200.00 video card three months from now.
as with all other hardware, so pick what you spend the high money on with care
and hold off using a lower end part which will do until such time that the higher
end part drops in price where you feel there is a real cost advantage...
One thing that has to be remembered though.
Todays $500.00 video card is the $200.00 video card three months from now.
as with all other hardware, so pick what you spend the high money on with care
and hold off using a lower end part which will do until such time that the higher
end part drops in price where you feel there is a real cost advantage...
kona0197
Reply #49 Friday, June 11, 2004 2:03 PM
64 bit CPUs can and do run at 32 bit when needed.
Reply #49 Friday, June 11, 2004 2:03 PM
| can't honestly say I understand why there are so many people in here touting 64-bit processors.. Seeing as 64-bit OS and driver support are lacking at best and I don't think there are more than a handful of software apps written to support 64-bit processors. Am I missing something or is everyone here running the latest Linux build that has 64-bit support ?? 64-bit computing will be great and probably considerably faster than what we see today, but not until everyone is running a 64-bit system from OS to apps. Until then anyone running a 64-bit processor is going to be like someone running their favorite accounting software from the WIndows 3.1 era on their blazing new P4 XP Pro system.. |
64 bit CPUs can and do run at 32 bit when needed.
IPlural
Reply #50 Friday, June 11, 2004 10:00 PM
Reply #50 Friday, June 11, 2004 10:00 PM
Display: 15.4" Widescreen TFT LCD WXGA (1280 x 800 max. resolution)
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
CPU: Mobile AMD Athlon™ 64 3200+ Processor
64-bit Architecture operates at 2.00 GHz 1 MB L2 Cache
System Bus uses HyperTransport™ Technology operating at 1600 MHz
pretty much explains it enough for most...
My Laptop...
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
CPU: Mobile AMD Athlon™ 64 3200+ Processor
64-bit Architecture operates at 2.00 GHz 1 MB L2 Cache
System Bus uses HyperTransport™ Technology operating at 1600 MHz
pretty much explains it enough for most...
My Laptop...
UpsideDownGC
Reply #51 Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:11 PM
Reply #51 Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:11 PM
I personally think that of those the router is the biggest downfall. And for a LCD panel that is the cheapest you will find, if you wanted quality for an LCD the Sony LCDS are very well made I have an HS78 on one of my PC's and I also have heard rave reviews conceirng the, believe it or not, Dell 21 Inch LCDs. If you want a router though I would go more mainstream with something that is going to be well made like a linksys or a d-link. A d-link like this one http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=618593&Sku=D700-2059&CatId=198 should be a better value (its only 20 bucks) and give you the same if not better performance. It is recertified though which means it is refurbished but It still should be a better bang for your buck. For a PC under 1k I dont have anything to say. I don't think you want to but it is much better bang for your buck for a low end system if you build your own. For a high end system where parts are a lot more you will need the tech support and sometimes for the high end systems you cant get the parts unless you get the OEM ones without warranty. I say you check out an ABS which haven't gotten horrible reviews but the biggest thing I have a problem with is the router. So get the D-Link if you dont mind not having the print server.
IPlural
Reply #52 Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:28 AM
Reply #52 Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:28 AM
Supports Dual Channel DDR!
**1 Year Warranty with CPU Fan Purchase**
You live at the forefront of technology, and you won't settle for less from your favorite software. That's why AMD is proud to bring you the AMD AthlonT 64 processor, with AMD64 technology for dramatically higher performance and built-in support for future 64-bit applications - even running 32- and 64-bit software at the same time.
Maximize system effeciency and stay ahead of the curve with the technically superior PC processor, packed with advances such as HyperTransportT technology and an integrated DDR memory controller. Whether it is for business, school or play, with the AMD Athlon 64 processor, you can address your current and future computing needs.
Industry-leading performance for today's software
Built-in support for future 64-bit applications with AMD64 technology
HyperTransportT technology and an integrated DDR memory controller for maximum performance and system efficiency
Featuring large on-die cache memory (1152KB total effective cache) for enhanced performance on large memory workloads
*OEM CPU's come with a 20 day warranty without fan purchase, 1 year warranty with fan purchase.
.........
you need to find a new place to purchase OEM items it seems...
**1 Year Warranty with CPU Fan Purchase**
You live at the forefront of technology, and you won't settle for less from your favorite software. That's why AMD is proud to bring you the AMD AthlonT 64 processor, with AMD64 technology for dramatically higher performance and built-in support for future 64-bit applications - even running 32- and 64-bit software at the same time.
Maximize system effeciency and stay ahead of the curve with the technically superior PC processor, packed with advances such as HyperTransportT technology and an integrated DDR memory controller. Whether it is for business, school or play, with the AMD Athlon 64 processor, you can address your current and future computing needs.
Industry-leading performance for today's software
Built-in support for future 64-bit applications with AMD64 technology
HyperTransportT technology and an integrated DDR memory controller for maximum performance and system efficiency
Featuring large on-die cache memory (1152KB total effective cache) for enhanced performance on large memory workloads
*OEM CPU's come with a 20 day warranty without fan purchase, 1 year warranty with fan purchase.
.........
you need to find a new place to purchase OEM items it seems...
IPlural
Reply #53 Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:42 AM
Reply #53 Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:42 AM
http://www.netgear.com/products/prod_details.php?prodID=242&view=hm
Model WGT634U
108 Mbps Wireless Media Router
Key features
USB disk drive or memory stick connectivity
10x speed & 4x range* of 802.11b
Smart Wizard install assistant for easy setup
Double firewall (SPI + NAT) <=== it is a REAL Firewall not some toy
Supports both USB 1.1 and USB 2.0
Back up, share, and access your files wirelessly & remotely
Wireless WEP and WAP encryption...
It can be picked up for $99.99 all day long at any Bestbuy, Circuit City, CompUSA and a number of other outlets, also online.
D-Link has a flakey past, I do not know how they do these days. But I do know that I wouldn't install one, or a Microsoft or LinkSys for that matter...
This happens to be what I do for a living and have done since the late 80's...
[Message Edited]
Model WGT634U
108 Mbps Wireless Media Router
Key features
USB disk drive or memory stick connectivity
10x speed & 4x range* of 802.11b
Smart Wizard install assistant for easy setup
Double firewall (SPI + NAT) <=== it is a REAL Firewall not some toy
Supports both USB 1.1 and USB 2.0
Back up, share, and access your files wirelessly & remotely
Wireless WEP and WAP encryption...
It can be picked up for $99.99 all day long at any Bestbuy, Circuit City, CompUSA and a number of other outlets, also online.
D-Link has a flakey past, I do not know how they do these days. But I do know that I wouldn't install one, or a Microsoft or LinkSys for that matter...
This happens to be what I do for a living and have done since the late 80's...
[Message Edited]
yrag
Reply #54 Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:47 AM
I'm glad you cleared that up John....all this time I thought you just beat up Judges...
Reply #54 Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:47 AM
| This happens to be what I do for a living and have done since the late 80's... |
I'm glad you cleared that up John....all this time I thought you just beat up Judges...
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Reply #41 Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:26 PM
I still say that it all comes down to the FSB speed.