Featured Dail Shot

Friday, June 4, 2004 by Essencay | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=13&SkinID=5006 Really surprised that a screenshot with this wall made it as featured. Replace the dominatrix with a swastika and you've got a Nazi flag
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Reply #1 Friday, June 4, 2004 3:22 AM
This wallpaper has been subject to considerable comment at DA. The Author claims not to support the values of the Nazi Party but thinks they had really cool flags - presumably any power becomes sexy for some folks. Anyway the point of this particular post is to provide the link to a DA thread that might save the need to reproduce it here. DA threads are not always as family friendly as these here

http://forum.deviantart.com/galleries/wallpaper/124366/1990699

On a side note it occurs that if we had replaced the Nazi''s with dominatrixes we''d have had a really well behaved Europe plus a flag we could all have got behind


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Satans Child
Reply #2 Friday, June 4, 2004 3:29 AM
The creator of the wall had no intent to subject anybody to idealisms or beliefs nor do I, it's just a cool wallpaper. Sorry if you're sensitive by black, red and white. I'm sure you can add and replace things on alot of walls to get them to be something they aren't.
c242
Reply #3 Friday, June 4, 2004 4:35 AM
Being a german myself I am normally very sensitive about things like these, but I see no harm in this shot.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #4 Friday, June 4, 2004 5:09 AM
I don't find it particularly offensive, but it's not particularly tasteful either
Snowman
Reply #5 Friday, June 4, 2004 6:06 AM
beauty/taste lays in the eyes of the beerholder

you cant "satisfy" all and everyone.

Still, judgeing an image for what may have looked like if altered in one way or another, is imo kinda narrowminded.
Ande
Reply #6 Friday, June 4, 2004 6:40 AM
Similar colours but its not a nazi battle flag.

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/Flags.htm

It might have been an attempt at one time to copy a nazi flag, then again, it just might be a decorative background.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #7 Friday, June 4, 2004 6:40 AM
As much as the person has the right to post a wall, people have the right to comment. I don't find the wall that offensive since you do have to stretch the imagination to fill in the blanks. However I think essencay is commenting more on it being featured. I read the crap at deviant art about it. I am sure essencay has as well. Why make something controversial a featured item is essencays question I believe? It's NOT to avoid posts like this one.
Jafo
Reply #8 Friday, June 4, 2004 9:39 AM

That isn't a 'debate' on Devart...I only stomached the first dozen or so entries....it's the uninformed leading the ignorant.

This screenshot [which is only a screenshot, not the wall itself] depicts a red, black and white pattern which is quite reminiscent of the Flag adopted by the Third Reich....however it omits the Swastika which embodied the 'symbolism' despised by subsequent populations.

Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' [as depicted in the film] used similar symbolism....though this time it was crossed hammers.....it made its point, however.

First I saw this screenshot I thought 'um...looks familiar'....but had no qualms approving it as it was suitably obstructed to protect the artist's copyright, had no obscenity, and was not discriminatory, racially or otherwise.

Analyse it and it's at worst a subtle 'dig' at Fascism, certainly not extolling its 'virtues'.....unlike a certain episode of ignominity in Devart's past that is better forgotten.

I'd call it a 'cross made from black and white, on a red background, with the symbol of racial hatred conspicuous in its absence'.

Red and Black....colours of the Essendon Football Club [Aussie Rules]....and the screenshot shows a screen.....shot....of wall and skins in action, nothing more...

Essencay
Reply #9 Friday, June 4, 2004 9:57 AM
Good morning everyone

Thanks NT and TheJourneyman though I wasn't aware of the thread over at DevArt....

As for some comments, please enlighten me where I took issue with the colors of the wall or the content. I only said here that I was "surprised" and that I thought if you replaced a single element, chick with the riding crop, with a swastika you'd have a Nazi flag. I too am not offended by the desktop or any vexillology related to the Third Reich. I never mentioned I was offended to it, though I suppose I did judge it because I said "I wasn't sure about it" in the comments on the screenshot. Guess that makes me narrowminded

http://www.fotw.us/flags/de1938~w.html For those who need a reference to what I was refering to. I grant everyone I made a stretch to turn that wall into a Nazi War Ensign, but it appears that some inspiration did come from it.
CerebroJD
Reply #10 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:02 AM
Hmm...when I first saw it I was reminded more of the Union Jack than anything german. No reason in particular, just seemed...Union Jack-ish.
Jafo
Reply #11 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:08 AM
Had to Delete a comment here...was a bad copy-paste or quote which 'broke' the page format.
Essencay
Reply #12 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:13 AM
The Union Jack is red, white and blue and is made up of the Crosses of St. George, St. Andrew and St. Patrick.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #13 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:26 AM
Wondered where that went *raspberry*

I think it was a { instead of a [ which did it...never mind
Jafo
Reply #14 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:34 AM
You broke it, eh, Fuzzy? You devil...
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Reply #15 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:35 AM
Not to be picky - but unless it is actually hoisted on a Jackstaff it is the Union Flag.

The origin of the idea for the wall in the screenshot entitled - gottinhimmel was :

(Authors own description)
"If I designed the flag.... This is purely for fun. I do not promote Nazism and abhor its principles, but they had some really cool flags"

The link I supplied to the DA thread was just in the hope that after seeing it folks wouldn''t want to get dragged down into that mire.

Censorship of art or the art of censorship (clever eh ) must be one of the hardest parts of being a moderator - hateful position to be in particularly when open to public scrutiny.


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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #16 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:45 AM
Yes, Union Flag is the correct title. Personally, I prefer the flag of St George
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #17 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:48 AM
Yes Jafo, 'twas I who broke it. Just remember I now know how it breaks...

Alternate Setting
Reply #18 Friday, June 4, 2004 10:48 AM


Oh well - gave it a shot
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Jafo
Reply #19 Friday, June 4, 2004 11:04 AM
Ah, but mister Fuzz....I have a tube of superglue here...and can fix it again.....[but only if I can pry my bloody fingers apart yet again...note to self...never pick your nose whilst handling superglue]...
Essencay
Reply #20 Friday, June 4, 2004 11:13 AM
or scratch yourself anywhere

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