What the hell is going on with WB skins?
Thursday, June 3, 2004 by Fuzzy Logic | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Is it me or are people suddenly uploading any old crap? I've been through the latest WB uploads to do a proper assessment of each and more than half of them are unfinished or have major errors. And now the latest one has nothing in it - how is any Joe Bloggs downloading that supposed to use it?
Come on people, get your act together. Take a bit more care over what you upload for goodness sake >
Come on people, get your act together. Take a bit more care over what you upload for goodness sake >
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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #2 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:26 AM
Reply #2 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:26 AM
Hopefully this one https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=1&SkinID=4162 will be removed by the next available admin...
One of the others has a black top frame because the margins aren't set properly. The guy has replied saying he doesn't recognise this as an error
One of the others has a black top frame because the margins aren't set properly. The guy has replied saying he doesn't recognise this as an error
Watson
Reply #3 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:35 AM
I second that
Reply #3 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:35 AM
| Hopefully this one Link will be removed by the next available admin... |
I second that
Alternate Setting
Reply #4 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:47 AM
Reply #4 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:47 AM
Hey guys I understand where your coming from:-
But if its a quality issue about one author, shouldn't comments and ratings be placed in the appropriate arena i.e the skin library.
If there's a general issue about the quality of skins that are getting through then sure I understand that you might query the admins about policy/standards - but it doesn't seem right to publicly single out one individual who may have spent hours doing something for the first time and met a personal challenge and is probably feeling pretty sh***y about now.
But if its a quality issue about one author, shouldn't comments and ratings be placed in the appropriate arena i.e the skin library.
If there's a general issue about the quality of skins that are getting through then sure I understand that you might query the admins about policy/standards - but it doesn't seem right to publicly single out one individual who may have spent hours doing something for the first time and met a personal challenge and is probably feeling pretty sh***y about now.
WOM
Reply #5 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:48 AM
Reply #5 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:48 AM
I saw the comments. Well it did get thru moderation. 
And I guess if the author (s) are happy with them.....
And I guess if the author (s) are happy with them.....
Watson
Reply #6 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:57 AM
True... I know I was a little ticked at the results from my first skin, even though it sucked I did try to spend time on it, but at the time hadno true grasp on how skinstudio was to be used, and therefore it ended up looking like crap.
Reply #6 Thursday, June 3, 2004 8:57 AM
| but it doesn't seem right to publicly single out one individual who may have spent hours doing something for the first time and met a personal challenge and is probably feeling pretty sh***y about now. |
True... I know I was a little ticked at the results from my first skin, even though it sucked I did try to spend time on it, but at the time hadno true grasp on how skinstudio was to be used, and therefore it ended up looking like crap.
Keila
Reply #7 Thursday, June 3, 2004 9:03 AM
Reply #7 Thursday, June 3, 2004 9:03 AM
Keila thinks is funny how there are skins on there that are not finished that have as good of a rating as skins that are complete and that you know authors put a lot of time and thought into.
crofttk
Reply #8 Thursday, June 3, 2004 10:23 AM
Reply #8 Thursday, June 3, 2004 10:23 AM
Perhaps that`s the downside of granting rating privileges to not necessarily technically proficient subscribers (such as myself) 
). No intense offended to other subscribers.
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). No intense offended to other subscribers.
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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #9 Thursday, June 3, 2004 12:03 PM
Reply #9 Thursday, June 3, 2004 12:03 PM
Perhaps it is me after all. Maybe I don't understand how you can spend dozens of hour on a skin then not spend ten minutes setting a few margins. Maybe it is too much to expect people to take pride in their work;). Who knows.
It's not about moderation, it's about uploading unfinished work with a 'couldn't care less' attitude. WB moderation is just about making sure the file doesn't bork your system, the quality is irrelevant - all standards are allowed here. But there's a difference between someone starting to skin and not having the knowledge to complete it, and someone having the knowledge to complete a skin but not giving a toss about the end product.
BTW, the problem skin is gone now What was even more disturbing about that was, despite the fact it wasn't usable as a WB skin, it had a rating of 4 from 4 people, including the 1 I gave it... 
I'd like the other 3 to step forward
It's not about moderation, it's about uploading unfinished work with a 'couldn't care less' attitude. WB moderation is just about making sure the file doesn't bork your system, the quality is irrelevant - all standards are allowed here. But there's a difference between someone starting to skin and not having the knowledge to complete it, and someone having the knowledge to complete a skin but not giving a toss about the end product.
BTW, the problem skin is gone now
What was even more disturbing about that was, despite the fact it wasn't usable as a WB skin, it had a rating of 4 from 4 people, including the 1 I gave it... 
I'd like the other 3 to step forward
feline
Reply #10 Thursday, June 3, 2004 12:44 PM
Reply #10 Thursday, June 3, 2004 12:44 PM
feline detects fuzzy is performing an online IQ test again
i didn't see the problem skin, so what was it? from your comments, it was empty. however, did it have a preview pic? if so, then perhaps the other 3 rated it without downloading it first...
when you say empty, do you mean a UIS file with no entries? i made one of those once while tracking down a WB bug, it had a very zen feeling about it when used as a per-app skin for IE. because of this i know such a skin used to load, but it was hard to use.
i didn't see the problem skin, so what was it? from your comments, it was empty. however, did it have a preview pic? if so, then perhaps the other 3 rated it without downloading it first...
when you say empty, do you mean a UIS file with no entries? i made one of those once while tracking down a WB bug, it had a very zen feeling about it when used as a per-app skin for IE. because of this i know such a skin used to load, but it was hard to use.
eieio
Reply #11 Thursday, June 3, 2004 1:55 PM
Reply #11 Thursday, June 3, 2004 1:55 PM
*Warning* - Radical idea ahead. 
I suggest not showing download counts. It would probably cut out most of the uploads from the download count junkies (popularity whores)
Pardon the language.
I suggest not showing download counts. It would probably cut out most of the uploads from the download count junkies (popularity whores)
Pardon the language.
EventHorizon
Reply #13 Thursday, June 3, 2004 2:14 PM
Reply #13 Thursday, June 3, 2004 2:14 PM
Or how about only apprentices+ can see the downloads.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #14 Thursday, June 3, 2004 2:47 PM
Reply #14 Thursday, June 3, 2004 2:47 PM
If anyone consider's me as part of the problem , please speak up. No flaming or nothing I just want to clear the air. I understand what everyone is saying and I don't want to be part of the problem. I can see how my recent explosion in uploads could be considered as part of the problem. I am proud of my work and it improves everyday. I have a couple skins that I would like to update but I want to improve my skills a little more so that when I do update them they will totally kick ass. Please tell me I am not part of the problem. Thanks. 
CerebroJD
Reply #15 Thursday, June 3, 2004 2:54 PM
Better idea!
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NightTrain, I see all of your skins as complete and well-made. I am not a huge fan of your style, but you do good work.
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Reply #15 Thursday, June 3, 2004 2:54 PM
| Or how about only apprentices+ can see the downloads. |
Better idea!
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NightTrain, I see all of your skins as complete and well-made. I am not a huge fan of your style, but you do good work.
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eieio
Reply #16 Thursday, June 3, 2004 2:59 PM
Reply #16 Thursday, June 3, 2004 2:59 PM
NightTrain
There's a distinct difference in someone who makes skins as a craft or an art as opposed to someone who's main purpose is see their 'name in lights'.
My impression is that you work at learning and improving your work (does anyone ever become an expert?) and do it for the fun of creating.
There's a distinct difference in someone who makes skins as a craft or an art as opposed to someone who's main purpose is see their 'name in lights'.
My impression is that you work at learning and improving your work (does anyone ever become an expert?) and do it for the fun of creating.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #17 Thursday, June 3, 2004 3:15 PM
Reply #17 Thursday, June 3, 2004 3:15 PM
Thanks guys. Whew. Even though others may disagree , at least there are some people that understand.
Windowblinds has been getting alot of publicity lateley and I would expect the flow of newbies to increase. I think it is an important time for the libries to be respected.
Even though others may disagree , at least there are some people that understand. Windowblinds has been getting alot of publicity lateley and I would expect the flow of newbies to increase. I think it is an important time for the libries to be respected.
MGiff
Reply #18 Thursday, June 3, 2004 6:04 PM
Reply #18 Thursday, June 3, 2004 6:04 PM
I would like to see a place that newbies can upload their work in the learning process, one that would allow critique and constructive criticism. Then when they have made all corrections and smoothed up the rough edges they can transfer it to the "real" library.
NightTrain2002, your work is very good and getting better. I'm like you, if my skins need work please tell me. It's the only way to learn!
NightTrain2002, your work is very good and getting better. I'm like you, if my skins need work please tell me. It's the only way to learn!
Watson
Reply #19 Thursday, June 3, 2004 6:17 PM
Reply #19 Thursday, June 3, 2004 6:17 PM
Does everyone think that my screenshots suck... Cuz if ya do I quit and I'm going home!
Wait............
I am Home.....
Wait............I am Home.....
sig101
Reply #20 Thursday, June 3, 2004 7:18 PM
Reply #20 Thursday, June 3, 2004 7:18 PM
Well there was some talk of having such feedback, assistance for works in progress in the skinning messageboard. I think that would be one place people currently could use. There may also be some plans for such a place in Froggy's thread about WC and messageboard changes. My recollection is fuzzy so sorry if I'm incorrect on that point.
Additionally there's a skinning related forum which I think a number of people here started and frequent. It's sometimes mentioned in the news section on the WC front page. When it first started my impression was that it would be a place for all sorts of skinning related stuff, including getting feedback, suggestions on current WIP's. https://www.wincustomize.com/newsboard.asp?id=2426
Anyway, there are options if people wish to avail themselves of them. But a lot of people never really check out the messageboards here so they might not think of asking for feedback or assistance in the skinning board.
Additionally there's a skinning related forum which I think a number of people here started and frequent. It's sometimes mentioned in the news section on the WC front page. When it first started my impression was that it would be a place for all sorts of skinning related stuff, including getting feedback, suggestions on current WIP's. https://www.wincustomize.com/newsboard.asp?id=2426
Anyway, there are options if people wish to avail themselves of them. But a lot of people never really check out the messageboards here so they might not think of asking for feedback or assistance in the skinning board.
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Reply #1 Thursday, June 3, 2004 7:45 AM