The GUI Olympics: One month...
Friday, April 2, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I'm not speaking for Stardock. I'm speaking for myself. I'm pretty disappointed with the GUI Olympics so far.
Not so much the entires. There are some outstanding entries so far. But the quantity so far has been lacking. Not in terms of # of skins per skinner but the number of skinners.
Winamp: 11 skins. Most of which are classic.
IconPackager: 7 icon packages.
WindowBlinds: 45
The people participating are doing some great work. But I'm becoming a bit concerned about the number of skinners participating. Are there a lot of entries still in development? I hope so. Because I got all kinds of emails from people asking for another GUI Olympics. I didn't want to do one. It's a lot of extra work for me and Pat. But we went ahead and did it and managed to get a bunch of big name sponsors this time.
What I'd like to know is how many of you reading this have submissions that are pending still. Because if we end up with the contest only having say 15 to 20 people total participating, then I'd say it was not worth it. Where are all the other skinners. Where are the Winamp skinners? Where are the WB skinners? Where are the Icon authors? Are they still working on stuff or is there just not that much interest in contests like these?
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BoXXi
Reply #62 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 1:52 PM
Reply #62 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 1:52 PM
maybe we should all have "gun titles" instead of our usual titles like skinner and apprentice etc. So you could have:
Magnum Treetog
or
Derringer BoXXi.
Sounds about right...hehe
CerebroJD
Reply #63 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 2:23 PM
Reply #63 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 2:23 PM
#63 by Bazooka CerebroJD - 4/7/2004 2:21 PM
Good idea!
Good idea!
bakerstreet
Reply #64 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 2:43 PM
Reply #64 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 2:43 PM
I should have a Winamp skin. *Should*. I have to say that as one who is used to MSDN and PHP.net, the scripting reference at Winamp.com SUCKS, some of which are even 404. I think the lack of participation thus far is caused, at least in part, by the choice of apps. I really mourn the fact that the categories weren't more open, like "Media player", "Shell Theme", etc. People would have more easily jumped in and did what they were already good at.
Making them so app specific isn't unreasonable, but in the end when people have to learn a new app in order to play, a lot won't go to the trouble, or commit, and then later realize they don't have the time or inclination. If there ever is a 3rd GUIO, I would suggest open "class" categories, like the ones I mentioned above. I really think there would be a lot more participation had this been the case this year.
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Making them so app specific isn't unreasonable, but in the end when people have to learn a new app in order to play, a lot won't go to the trouble, or commit, and then later realize they don't have the time or inclination. If there ever is a 3rd GUIO, I would suggest open "class" categories, like the ones I mentioned above. I really think there would be a lot more participation had this been the case this year.
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EventHorizon
Reply #65 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 3:37 PM
Reply #65 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 3:37 PM
Personally, I think there will be an exponential growth in the number of entries as we approach the deadline(s)...
Some people (such as myself) will be doing only one skin but would like to make it the best it can possibly be, and will take all of the alloted time to accomplish that goal.
Some people (such as myself) will be doing only one skin but would like to make it the best it can possibly be, and will take all of the alloted time to accomplish that goal.
SelfExiled
Reply #66 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 4:01 PM
Reply #66 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 4:01 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to believe this idea about the "Big Guns". It seems that a small time artist who does a decent skin can't even get his posted. And they say that they want originality. Ha. Or maybe they just want someone to complain about it so that they look like an a#$. Okay, well you got it. Happy now?
bakerstreet
Reply #67 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 4:29 PM
Maybe someone can explain this statement to me? Since when are "small time artists" having skins rejected? Are skins ever rejected? The library here is chock full 'o small time artists.
No offense, but I generally don't see a lot of quality or "originality" from small time artists. Frankly, the average n00b skinner spits out filter puke and photoskins.
It never ceases to amaze me. I go away for a month or two, come back, and people are saying the same things, over and over and over. I would suggest Everquest. Sure it is a horribly addictive waste of time, but at least you don't have to make a game out of it, and there is no pretense of intellectualism or reality.
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Reply #67 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 4:29 PM
| "It seems that a small time artist who does a decent skin can't even get his posted. " |
Maybe someone can explain this statement to me? Since when are "small time artists" having skins rejected? Are skins ever rejected? The library here is chock full 'o small time artists.
No offense, but I generally don't see a lot of quality or "originality" from small time artists. Frankly, the average n00b skinner spits out filter puke and photoskins.
It never ceases to amaze me. I go away for a month or two, come back, and people are saying the same things, over and over and over. I would suggest Everquest. Sure it is a horribly addictive waste of time, but at least you don't have to make a game out of it, and there is no pretense of intellectualism or reality.
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sig101
Reply #69 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 5:26 PM
Hmn....some of the artists who have had WB skins accepted are just folks who started doing skins and have been plugging away for it for a while. Like Dark Mist, Gabe, Keila, Bones, Crissy 14, Cerebro to name a few. And a first ever WB from someone known as "Scarebear" Also such common "household names" as Vlad, NightTrain, etc. Are they all "big guns" now?
Sounds like someone had a skin moderated out of competition (as other people have had without a subsequent hissy) and now rationalizes it by claiming favoritism against "the little guy" is why it didn't make it to the GUIO. What bollocks. (Can I say that here?)
Wonder what the other "little" guys (and gals) who have just been turning out the work, improving their skills and did have work accepted think about that? I've seen many of these folks from the time they first started out making skins and they've just kept working at it. It's a really facile and transparently unmerited slap against them and the others to denigrate their accomplishments just because one can't accept having a work moderated out of competition.
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Reply #69 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 5:26 PM
| #66 by Skinner ChasUGC - 4/7/2004 4:01:17 PM Yeah, I'm starting to believe this idea about the "Big Guns". It seems that a small time artist who does a decent skin can't even get his posted. And they say that they want originality. Ha. Or maybe they just want someone to complain about it so that they look like an a#$. Okay, well you got it. Happy now? |
Hmn....some of the artists who have had WB skins accepted are just folks who started doing skins and have been plugging away for it for a while. Like Dark Mist, Gabe, Keila, Bones, Crissy 14, Cerebro to name a few. And a first ever WB from someone known as "Scarebear" Also such common "household names" as Vlad, NightTrain, etc. Are they all "big guns" now?
Sounds like someone had a skin moderated out of competition (as other people have had without a subsequent hissy) and now rationalizes it by claiming favoritism against "the little guy" is why it didn't make it to the GUIO. What bollocks. (Can I say that here?)
Wonder what the other "little" guys (and gals) who have just been turning out the work, improving their skills and did have work accepted think about that? I've seen many of these folks from the time they first started out making skins and they've just kept working at it. It's a really facile and transparently unmerited slap against them and the others to denigrate their accomplishments just because one can't accept having a work moderated out of competition.
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NightTrainthedark
Reply #70 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 5:52 PM
Reply #70 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 5:52 PM
Well put sig, Don't blame others for your own faults!
joetheblow
Reply #71 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 5:57 PM
Reply #71 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 5:57 PM
Bollucks???
Anyway, I encourage anyone to try and don't take anything negative from it. There is some justice in the world... you can post it somewhere else and get like a zillion downloads and 97 comments.
That's my motto... if I can't upload it here, then I'll upload it at another location somewhere near here.... probably over there... yes right there infront of you.
Anyway, I encourage anyone to try and don't take anything negative from it. There is some justice in the world... you can post it somewhere else and get like a zillion downloads and 97 comments.
That's my motto... if I can't upload it here, then I'll upload it at another location somewhere near here.... probably over there... yes right there infront of you.
Jafo
Reply #72 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:25 PM
Reply #72 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:25 PM
| #66 by Skinner ChasUGC - 4/7/2004 4:01:17 PM Yeah, I'm starting to believe this idea about the "Big Guns". It seems that a small time artist who does a decent skin can't even get his posted. |
Chas...it takes time to check the submissions thoroughly.
Note particularly the skin submission that crashed my shell.... [both Explorer and LiteSTEP]....needless to say such 'goofs' have to be weeded out...
NightTrainthedark
Reply #74 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:30 PM
Reply #74 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:30 PM
I have been politely asked not to submit anymore themes to GUIO. I was wondering how long it would take them. No hard feelings whatsoever.
Have you seen G pod? At this stage your skin better be pretty darn good. The time to get the simpler skins in was at the beginning. Thats what I did, and when the skins started flowing in they tightened up and I have gotten 4 denials since. How stiff do you think the mods are going to be at the at the end when everyone is submitting there masterpieces? Its all about giving your best shot. If your best shot is not good enough then you need to become a better shot.
Have you seen G pod? At this stage your skin better be pretty darn good. The time to get the simpler skins in was at the beginning. Thats what I did, and when the skins started flowing in they tightened up and I have gotten 4 denials since. How stiff do you think the mods are going to be at the at the end when everyone is submitting there masterpieces? Its all about giving your best shot. If your best shot is not good enough then you need to become a better shot.
CerebroJD
Reply #75 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:30 PM
Ouch!
Reply #75 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:30 PM
| the skin submission that crashed my shell |
Ouch!
Essencay
Reply #76 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:32 PM
Reply #76 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:32 PM
Essencay makes it into the GUIOlympics carrying a capgun and wet caps 
WOM
Reply #77 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:42 PM
Reply #77 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 6:42 PM
WOM thinks some of this crap is funny. 
I would venture to say (and I could be wrong) that most of the so called BIG GUNS have had their stuff rejected at one time or another. I know some that have. Its called a learning experience. If your blind works most likely it won't be rejected. It still could be as I've seen that happen before, but rare.
So quit crying foul or pouting poor little me and learn and try harder. If need be (and your a male) go into the closet and yell and cry and come back and try again.
I would venture to say (and I could be wrong) that most of the so called BIG GUNS have had their stuff rejected at one time or another. I know some that have. Its called a learning experience. If your blind works most likely it won't be rejected. It still could be as I've seen that happen before, but rare.
So quit crying foul or pouting poor little me and learn and try harder. If need be (and your a male) go into the closet and yell and cry and come back and try again.
Sput
Reply #80 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 7:28 PM
Reply #80 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 7:28 PM
Sput got a skin into the GUIO with just a pea-shooter and some bare faced cheek to try something odd....and a willingness by the mods to let me look silly when the other gun slingers pull their 6-shooters
I'm hoping the more serious skin I've been working on for the GUIO makes it past moderation...the problem is that everytime someone adds something amazing (^^Gabriel!!), I have to keep thinking of ways to try and make this better so it's taking AGES!
I think all the good skins should have been held back till the last few days....OR, all the ones that aren't so good should be let in near the end when everyone has already decided on a winner so it doesn't matter j/k
I'm hoping the more serious skin I've been working on for the GUIO makes it past moderation...the problem is that everytime someone adds something amazing (^^Gabriel!!
), I have to keep thinking of ways to try and make this better so it's taking AGES! I think all the good skins should have been held back till the last few days....OR, all the ones that aren't so good should be let in near the end when everyone has already decided on a winner so it doesn't matter j/k
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Reply #61 Wednesday, April 7, 2004 1:48 PM