Do We Have Any Snake Experts?
Saturday, March 27, 2004 by MGiff | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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Reply #22 Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:52 PM
doesn't look like a pit viper and looks very much like that watersnake in the later photos.
pat the kittie on the head and tell her good hunting!
between the snakes and the cats you shouldn't have a mouse problem this spring
Reply #23 Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:12 PM
Reply #24 Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:59 PM
| pat the kittie on the head and tell her good hunting! |
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Wow, in my neck of the woods it would've been the cat with the lead behind the ear!I just don't hold with native animals getting taken out by the domestic ones - regardless of species (why are snakes immediately demonised?).
Reply #25 Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:14 PM
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Reply #26 Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:38 PM
Can't you call in some wildlife service to relocate them? It was their place first...
Re danger to kids: Your own you'd have to look after yourself (warnings, teching them the right behaviour if they see a snake, first aid for bites etc), other people's kids - well, that's really up to their own parents.
I find it more remarkable that it's OK to discharge firearms in a "high pop neighbourhood" (you shot the snake right?).Before this degenerates into a gun debate (I don't want it to) I don't live in the US and I do own guns.
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Reply #27 Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:57 PM
Anyway, enough said, I didn't think of lawsuits and all that when it happened, my husband and I looked it over (I got it out of the house safely) and determined it was a copperhead (my country living father did too) so it was shot for safety reasons. I guess if it happened again I would do the same, unless I determined it to be nonpoisonous.
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Reply #29 Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:46 PM
| Unfortunately I live in an area that, if I tried to call someone, I would be laughed at. (hence, having to post a pic here to identify) |
Hmmm... that's a worry
We have various services, some run by national parks & wildlife, others are dedicated volunteer groups who you can call - even if you've injured an animal on the road.I understand that you're not actively going out and murdering wildlife
. I guess the sitch is different when the pets bring live animals into the house! (I missed that in your previous writing).And yes, we're reasonably lucky as far as public liability & law suits go - but it's getting worse by the month.
Reply #30 Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:11 PM
Jafo, that was mean! I know this country, the snakes here can kill pets and children! Rattlesnakes don't often kill adults (most here don't know that but I learned it when I was assigned, as a medic, to a field artillery unit) but water moccasins and copperheads do! Just cause Australia has the 10 most deadliest doesn't mean we don't have some deadly ones.
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Reply #32 Monday, March 29, 2004 6:03 PM
The only one he took seriously was a krait. He handled it's box gingerly and seemed very nervous. He flipped it onto the table and it instantly shot off the table towards the crowd. The only thing seperating the table from the crowd was a velvet rope. He managed to grab the tip of the snakes tail and yank it back onto the table and immediatly pinned it down with his crook. He proceeded to milk and that was the end of the snake show. It turns out that krait bites kill 50% of the time even when anti-venom is used.
I have since learned that when an experienced expert is really nervous that is a good time to back away, way far away.
Reply #33 Monday, March 29, 2004 6:30 PM
Reply #34 Monday, March 29, 2004 6:42 PM
Here's a nice little description.....a bite From a Sydney Funnel Web spider....[deadliest 8 legged thingie]...
Remind me not to get bitten...
Symptoms and signs of envenomation include:
Numbness around the mouth and spasms of the tongue
Nausea and vomiting, abdominal pain, acute gastric dilatation
Profuse sweating, salivation, lacrimation, piloerection
Local and generalized muscle fasciculation and spasm, commencing in facial tongue or intercostal muscles, and including trismus, which may necessitate paralysing the patient with muscle relaxants in order to manage the airway
Dyspnoea
Confusion, irrationality, coma which may persist in the presence of normalized ventilation, oxygenation and blood pressure, and may be related to raised intracranial pressure
Hypertension, vasoconstriction, tachycardia and cardiac arryhthmias ? related to release and subsequent depletion of neurotransmitter
Widely dilated pupils, which may be fixed
Acute non-cardiogenic pulmonary oedema
Later, the severely envenomed patient may develop progressive hypotension and apnoea. These features may relate to depletion of neurotransmitter.
Reply #36 Monday, March 29, 2004 7:00 PM
Info on the Taipan....
Oxyuranus microlepidotus (Inland Taipan) is far and away the most toxic land snake in the world, with a lethal dose estimated to be fifty times that of the Indian cobra Naja naja. The venom has a potent neurotoxic mechanism that causes a significant loss of synaptic vesicles and other neuropathology's similar to that elicited by taipoxin from O. scutellatus. However, a specific neurological factor has not been isolated which can be held responsible for the acute potency of this venom. In addition, unlike the venom from scutellatus or the common tiger snake Notechis scutatus, this specie, like the eastern brown snake Pseudonaja textilis, has a procoagulant property that does not require the presence of the cofactors calcium, factor V or phospholipid in order to activate normal prothrombin or the decarboxylated form in a concentration-dependent manner.
Venom toxicity is 0.0l mgs per kg....average venom yeild 44.2 mgs....that adds up to 4420 kgs of dead people per snake....
Reply #37 Monday, March 29, 2004 7:21 PM
| Leaving Lepidoptery.... |
Butterflies?Assume you mean Herpetology ?
Reply #38 Monday, March 29, 2004 7:30 PM
Chris....
"Leaving Lepidoptery, please don't play with the displays, little boy...."
The Black Widow. [a relative of the Red Back]
Vincent Price....from Alice Cooper's 'Welcome to my Nightmare'
Reply #39 Monday, March 29, 2004 9:02 PM
"Leaving Lepidoptery, please don't play with the displays, little boy...."
I didn't know that was Vincent Price! That is the greatest Alice Cooper album ever, except the "Cold Ethel"(sp?) song of course.....It's just downright gross.
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Reply #21 Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:44 PM
But, with the things people turn loose nowadays, ya never know !