'why was my wall.....' 'pro and cons'
Monday, February 23, 2004 by DesignCaddy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
i might be throwing myself before the firing line here, but i honestly don't mind when people post their requests for having a turned-down wall paper critiqued by the community. afterall, this is a forum for discussion. yes---you can say its a matter that must be taken up with an admin---but lets face it, the admins are busy; they don't send decline emails out because of the flak they generally get, and by comming to a hub of site activity you know you have a shot at the best of the best reviewing your work.
maybe i feel this way because every other day i spend 8 hours in a studio with my work on a wall, having stones thrown at me from 20 different people. but hearing opinions is what makes your work better; especially finding out what 20 different people like and dislike about it. when everybody flips out 'this is not the place for this question....' i think they're wrong, and it only makes the community here look elitist.
if people here have a problem with this statement, then i offer up my e-mail addie for those that drop by wanting an honest opinion of their work.
maybe i feel this way because every other day i spend 8 hours in a studio with my work on a wall, having stones thrown at me from 20 different people. but hearing opinions is what makes your work better; especially finding out what 20 different people like and dislike about it. when everybody flips out 'this is not the place for this question....' i think they're wrong, and it only makes the community here look elitist.
if people here have a problem with this statement, then i offer up my e-mail addie for those that drop by wanting an honest opinion of their work.
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Sput
Reply #42 Monday, February 23, 2004 8:29 PM
@ #41 - something Microsoft once saw in a lab at Xerox and patented so that no one else will see it for another 20 years 
Reply #42 Monday, February 23, 2004 8:29 PM
@ #41 - something Microsoft once saw in a lab at Xerox and patented so that no one else will see it for another 20 years 
DesignCaddy
Reply #44 Monday, February 23, 2004 11:37 PM
Reply #44 Monday, February 23, 2004 11:37 PM
wow this thread got padded since i checked it oh 12 hours ago.
i see here a lot of pros, cons, and good ideas. but despite the other sections that could be used for discussion, the fact remains that they simply arn't. i use this analogy: if enough people are missing the exit on a highway, the architects must realize that the road is poorly signed or laid out. it cant be that a thousand people in the morning rush are just stupid. i too skip over the stickies because they are, so it's said, 'streaky'. its not noticable especially to people who have one thing in mind and thats getting some answers. and lets face it - how many people post help requests in the general section? the point still remains that this forum is the focal point and people can expect requests for critiques, and i think those requests should be honored. yes there are some very horrible walls we've all seen, ive pointed out a few. but i also noticed the worst ones are commented with "its my first post." regardless of whether they should have made it through moderation (that is not my point in this thread) those new people are still deserving of help. how else will they know to get better? if you don't want to participate - don't! no one is forcing you to reply to a thread.. so don't infuriate your SELF by feeling compelled to reply if you think it is stupid.
on that note, chas, while 'attempting' to be kind but being perfectly obnoxious, is still correct. i would likely receive thousands of emails on my offer to help. that is a problem which would occur if my addie was splashed on the main page. however that is not the case. what i expect from this that anybody who took notice of the thread to suggest me to someone who comes by looking for help - or, give help themselves if they felt compelled to. i didn't say i was a saviour. i offered to be one of hopefully many helpful people.
on another note - sig, 'what did i expect?'? to be flamed? sort of. regardless of wether you even replied to ME, it looks like i got a good ratio of civilized responses yet it is indeed sad that i was expecting comments like yours. like i said: no one forces anyone to respond to these threads. unless you win some kind of prize for most replies that i don't know about
i see here a lot of pros, cons, and good ideas. but despite the other sections that could be used for discussion, the fact remains that they simply arn't. i use this analogy: if enough people are missing the exit on a highway, the architects must realize that the road is poorly signed or laid out. it cant be that a thousand people in the morning rush are just stupid. i too skip over the stickies because they are, so it's said, 'streaky'. its not noticable especially to people who have one thing in mind and thats getting some answers. and lets face it - how many people post help requests in the general section? the point still remains that this forum is the focal point and people can expect requests for critiques, and i think those requests should be honored. yes there are some very horrible walls we've all seen, ive pointed out a few. but i also noticed the worst ones are commented with "its my first post." regardless of whether they should have made it through moderation (that is not my point in this thread) those new people are still deserving of help. how else will they know to get better? if you don't want to participate - don't! no one is forcing you to reply to a thread.. so don't infuriate your SELF by feeling compelled to reply if you think it is stupid.
on that note, chas, while 'attempting' to be kind but being perfectly obnoxious, is still correct. i would likely receive thousands of emails on my offer to help. that is a problem which would occur if my addie was splashed on the main page. however that is not the case. what i expect from this that anybody who took notice of the thread to suggest me to someone who comes by looking for help - or, give help themselves if they felt compelled to. i didn't say i was a saviour. i offered to be one of hopefully many helpful people.
on another note - sig, 'what did i expect?'? to be flamed? sort of. regardless of wether you even replied to ME, it looks like i got a good ratio of civilized responses yet it is indeed sad that i was expecting comments like yours. like i said: no one forces anyone to respond to these threads. unless you win some kind of prize for most replies that i don't know about
DesignCaddy
Reply #45 Monday, February 23, 2004 11:42 PM
Reply #45 Monday, February 23, 2004 11:42 PM
oh - by the elitist comment, yes - i believe that anyone who feels so superior over someone else that they are compelled to ridicule them publicly is an elitist. no one was born a skinning god. people need guidence. myself and many others make jokes about some requests but i know i do my best to show i am joking.
Jafo
Reply #46 Monday, February 23, 2004 11:58 PM
Reply #46 Monday, February 23, 2004 11:58 PM
Public posts get differing responses from different people. Some are obliged to be 'politic' or at least 'PC', others like to score 'points' at others' expense.
Generally these 'why was this wall' threads can only be answered by the 'ones who done it', and the optimal arena is the modesty of email.
Public airing invites public scrutiny, some 'may' be beneficial advice, others may be an excuse to voice agenda/s regarding their own failed submissions....and a chance to do publicly what was done privately resulting in the abandonment of rejection emails.
If someone wishes for 'help' relating to a wall then the thread topic should be 'how do I improve this', not 'why was it kicked'....)
sig101
Reply #47 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:07 AM
Reply #47 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:07 AM
"Flamed?" If you think you were flamed in this thread you must not get around much on the internet. Nothing that I've seen in this thread qualifies as a "flame." Try some other forums or usenet and see the difference.
Or perhaps Chas was right, after all...simply disagreeing with a poster results in an accusation of "flaming."
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Or perhaps Chas was right, after all...simply disagreeing with a poster results in an accusation of "flaming."
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DesignCaddy
Reply #48 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:27 AM
Reply #48 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:27 AM
naturally, jafo. i agree i about the thread names should be clearer, absolutely, as well.
no, sig. i don't take offense to disagreement...only to comments written for the sole purpose of being insulting.
edit: nor did i specify that i was, in fact, flamed.
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no, sig. i don't take offense to disagreement...only to comments written for the sole purpose of being insulting.
edit: nor did i specify that i was, in fact, flamed.
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Sugaree
Reply #49 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:31 AM
Reply #49 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:31 AM
I think it's a craptacular idea!
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sig101
Reply #53 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:23 AM
Reply #53 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:23 AM
"...on another note - sig, 'what did i expect?'? to be flamed? sort of. regardless of wether you even replied to ME, it looks like i got a good ratio of civilized responses yet it is indeed sad that i was expecting comments like yours."
"no, sig. i don't take offense to disagreement...only to comments written for the sole purpose of being insulting."
Ah, but it appears that you do think you have received uncivilized insulting remarks in a thread of almost Victorian decorum (except for the winky episode). You see insult where none was intended. If I had intended to insult you it would be quite direct and unmistakable. That was not my intent.
"no, sig. i don't take offense to disagreement...only to comments written for the sole purpose of being insulting."
Ah, but it appears that you do think you have received uncivilized insulting remarks in a thread of almost Victorian decorum (except for the winky episode). You see insult where none was intended. If I had intended to insult you it would be quite direct and unmistakable. That was not my intent.
DesignCaddy
Reply #54 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:09 AM
Reply #54 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:09 AM
*shrugs* 
hmm. emoticon fatal exception.
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hmm. emoticon fatal exception.
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MadPyro
Reply #56 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:46 PM
join the club
Reply #56 Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:46 PM
| jk btw pwth...I can't wink [Message Edited] |
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Reply #41 Monday, February 23, 2004 8:15 PM