Family Site? What has happened?
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 by Phoon | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I normally try to maintain a fairly even, supportive attitude here and try not to stir the fires too much, but when it comes to something like this, it is time to stand up and say something.
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=8&SkinID=14200
Supposedly, this is a Family oriented site. Am I mistaken in that?
I feel that material such as this has no business at all on WC, nor do I understand how this made it passed moderation.
Now, I'm certainly no saint and my objection to this type of material here does not reflect any negativity at all on the person which submitted this, nor does it reflect on my own personal taste in art. I do however feel that this type of material demonstrates a very negative image on the community we have here and should not be allowed.
So break out your flame throwers upon me if you must, I am prepared.
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=8&SkinID=14200
Supposedly, this is a Family oriented site. Am I mistaken in that?
I feel that material such as this has no business at all on WC, nor do I understand how this made it passed moderation.
Now, I'm certainly no saint and my objection to this type of material here does not reflect any negativity at all on the person which submitted this, nor does it reflect on my own personal taste in art. I do however feel that this type of material demonstrates a very negative image on the community we have here and should not be allowed.
So break out your flame throwers upon me if you must, I am prepared.
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HG_Eliminator
Reply #42 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:32 PM
Reply #42 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:32 PM
sorry abt the rant. i have a few pet peves .. the main one is the push for allowing wrong things cause they are becomeing socially acceptable.. if a guy wants to kill u cause he wants ur shoes, should we post a poll as to wether its socially acceptable and go with societys decision? or should we do whats rite and stop him?
IPlural
Reply #43 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:34 PM
Reply #43 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:34 PM
franky the only thing keeping weed form being legalized is it would go a long way to killing the Drug War Cash Cow...
IPlural
Reply #44 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:37 PM
Reply #44 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:37 PM
killing someone over shoes and posting a wall paper is a bit of a jump when considering the decay of social grace and the social contract one enters when in public... 
I do undertand what your saying and do agree to some extent but do not find this to be a case of someone taking a chipping hammer to the social fabric of society at large...
I do undertand what your saying and do agree to some extent but do not find this to be a case of someone taking a chipping hammer to the social fabric of society at large...
HG_Eliminator
Reply #45 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:41 PM
Reply #45 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:41 PM
yes it is quite a contrast. i was useing it for emphasis . but when and where do we say to much wrong is enough?
oh that and i was trying to illistrate that if we continue to let the wrong to be accepted as socially acceptabe. our society will eventually get to the point where killing for shoes is ok too..
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oh that and i was trying to illistrate that if we continue to let the wrong to be accepted as socially acceptabe. our society will eventually get to the point where killing for shoes is ok too..
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kona0197
Reply #46 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:48 PM
Yeah I get sick of commercials from truth about cigarettes when alchol kills more people.
Reply #46 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:48 PM
| sorry abt the rant. i have a few pet peves .. the main one is the push for allowing wrong things cause they are becomeing socially acceptable.. if a guy wants to kill u cause he wants ur shoes, should we post a poll as to wether its socially acceptable and go with societys decision? or should we do whats rite and stop him? |
Yeah I get sick of commercials from truth about cigarettes when alchol kills more people.
kongit
Reply #47 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:50 PM
Reply #47 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:50 PM
I am not going to say anything. the discretion of the moderators is good enough for me. As for the other topics on this thread, I don't feel that anyone here can completely understand the issue. Look what happened during the prohibition. Drugs aren't going to disappear, I agree they shouldn't be mainstream, and I disagree with the use of hardcore drugs. However, they ain't nothing wrong with a toke, a smoke, or a drink now and then. Its the people who want to be constantly reminded of it that freak me out. i.e. the wallpaper.
I guess I did say something
I guess I did say something
kongit
Reply #48 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:50 PM
Reply #48 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:50 PM
kona, cars kill more people and you don't see commercials telling you not to drive, you see commercials telling you to buy a car. 
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HG_Eliminator
Reply #49 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:56 PM
Reply #49 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:56 PM
and i hope that the author of the skin dont think its a personal attack against him/her. but i dont think that those kind of images should be allowed on a family site.
theres plenty of adult and other sites where prying eyes are kept at bay and those adults who wish to view those types of images can,it could be posted at...
theres plenty of adult and other sites where prying eyes are kept at bay and those adults who wish to view those types of images can,it could be posted at...
HG_Eliminator
Reply #50 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:59 PM
Reply #50 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:59 PM
oh and travis cars dont kill people.. stupid drivers do...just like guns,a gun on the shelf is harmless its the dork wavin it around thats dangerous... 
kongit
Reply #51 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:01 PM
Reply #51 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:01 PM
hmm, marijuana and alchohol don't kill people either. Its the drinkers killing themselves or others.
kona0197
Reply #52 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:02 PM
Yes I know.
But I was just pointing out that everday I see these Anti Weed and Anti Cigarette commercials yet alcohol kills more people then both those put together.
Reply #52 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:02 PM
| kona, cars kill more people and you don't see commercials telling you not to drive, you see commercials telling you to buy a car. |
Yes I know.
But I was just pointing out that everday I see these Anti Weed and Anti Cigarette commercials yet alcohol kills more people then both those put together.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #53 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:06 PM
Reply #53 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:06 PM
exactly but a weapon or car has use to most individuals for legitimate reasons. drugs or booze only have 1 use other than medicinal. and most the peeps shooting or running peeps over are under the influence of 1 or both of them. so exactly why are they acceptable ?
Jafo
Reply #54 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:10 PM
Reply #54 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:10 PM
First admin comment on the submission...[from me]..was 'Probably not'.
Second comment ...[someone else]...'hehe'.
Third comment....[Someone else]...'
I love it but aren't we supposed to be PC?'
Fourth comment ...[me again]...'Let's wake 'em up'.
Fifth comment....[someone else]....'Removed'.
So.....'twas me....small experiment as it were...to gauge response. What it did was demonstrate a level at which it's deemed non-PC to display certain images.
It 'worked' technically as a wall....not intrusive, but maybe 'topical' or contentious.
It shows a 'general' aversion to any imagery related to drugs and/or drug taking, which does tend to raise the question about the depiction of Alcohol and its use....both are drugs of dependence, and both have been linked to death and injury, though alcohol use/abuse is more prevalent and therefore the greater problem in general.
When moderating submissions it's an on-going decision making process, not just weeding out [pun] the horrorshow walls but also the walls' subject matter/content.
9/11 was the first real 'test' as some of the imagery was pretty 'sick' [for the want of a better word]. Evidently several people had 'odd' interpretations of what was ever likely to be appropriate for a family site [or anywhere for that matter].
Topical events, ....Bin Laden....Saddam, etc....all 'inspire/d' people to submit inappropriate content, though it's at least a diversion from the 'chick walls' we more regularly see submitted.
But not to worry.....the comments to this submission posting and its subsequent removal assist in the drawing of 'the line in the sand'...
kongit
Reply #55 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:11 PM
Reply #55 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:11 PM
yes, tv and radio has only one purpose besides news and thats entertainment. Their is nothing wrong with entertainment, that is the purpose of both alchohol and marijuana when used properly, unless you think marijuana is spiritual (bunch of bull in my opinion). The problem is people doing things they shouldn't while under the influence. There is nothing wrong with responsible use of both substances.
Also in my opinion if somebody commits a crime while under the influence if the knowingly and wanted to take the drugs or drink then they are fully responsible for their actions. (I don't think that is laq though)
Also in my opinion if somebody commits a crime while under the influence if the knowingly and wanted to take the drugs or drink then they are fully responsible for their actions. (I don't think that is laq though)
kongit
Reply #56 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:12 PM
Reply #56 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:12 PM
I guess discussing this topic here promotes a non-family enviroment, i guess we should quit.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #57 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:24 PM
Reply #57 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:24 PM
i agree, that we should respect each others differences and end the discussion.
jafo good job i hope that our comments and opinions, have given u the information u were looking for. the best way to judge what the majority wants is to poll the respective patrons
jafo good job i hope that our comments and opinions, have given u the information u were looking for. the best way to judge what the majority wants is to poll the respective patrons
WebGizmos
Reply #59 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:04 PM
Reply #59 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:04 PM
Ok...let's start burning the books. I found this thread to be a personal attack against freedom and an insult to those that fought and died for it. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but when that opinion denies someone else of their freedom...you crossed the line and made it personal.
And if I'm not mistaken...I think I saw some hidden messages in some of these wallpapers. We had better call out the morality cops because it's corupting my morals. But hey...the world is now a better place because that wallpaper showing a plant was removed.
I think wallpapers should be accepted or denied based on artistic value...not moral acceptability...I thought this was a skinning community...not a morality community. I'm perfectly capable of deciding what skins are acceptable to me...and if they aren't I have the choice of either using my back button or moving on to the next page...but I am not about to deny someone else the freedom to express themselves. I think we would all agree that wallpapers showing such things as violence or pornographic images would be crossing the line...but there ya go...it's just my opinion and my final comment on this issue.
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And if I'm not mistaken...I think I saw some hidden messages in some of these wallpapers. We had better call out the morality cops because it's corupting my morals. But hey...the world is now a better place because that wallpaper showing a plant was removed.
I think wallpapers should be accepted or denied based on artistic value...not moral acceptability...I thought this was a skinning community...not a morality community. I'm perfectly capable of deciding what skins are acceptable to me...and if they aren't I have the choice of either using my back button or moving on to the next page...but I am not about to deny someone else the freedom to express themselves. I think we would all agree that wallpapers showing such things as violence or pornographic images would be crossing the line...but there ya go...it's just my opinion and my final comment on this issue.
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kona0197
Reply #60 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:06 PM
Reply #60 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:06 PM
What part of "family site" do you not understand? >
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Reply #41 Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:22 PM
now it may make me unpopular but wether society as a whole allows it dont make it rite .....
murder, even with society saying its ok, is still wrong ....so no whats rite or wrong is not dictated by society . society is just embraceing the wrong........