Discouraged. Is our community as we know it coming to an end?
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
A large percentage of you who read this are already WinCustomize premium subscribers. You've already done your part to help this site keep going.
But I must say, things are grim this holiday season here. 2 expensive servers are down. We must get 2 new servers in here. We need to get another 2 servers on top of that for redundancy but that can wait a bit. But it's depressing knowing that millions visit this site each month and we've only gotten 156 new subscribers since the subscription drive began. It definitely makes a strong case that perhaps the days of free skins are over. That the skin authors and web masters, who pull their weight, should move towards a more commercial model that benefits primarily those who contribute (skinners, subscribers, and developers).
My friend Scott (Jark) has much the same problems over at deviantART: http://news.deviantart.com/article/12039/
That is, the problem of having massive MASSIVE traffic but only a tiny fraction of those users paying the bill. Many people think, incorrectly, that massive traffic == money. It doesn't.
I can tell you, those of you who have purchased premium subscriptions here have helped the community in ways that the average user can't possibly fathom. Premium subscribers combined with the volunteer efforts of this site's administrators (Jafo, Boxxi, DavidK, Treetog, Alexandrie, Kaosati, MikeB, Hippy, and others) are what keep things going.
Without the premium subscriptions, I can tell you right now what would happen. This site would slowly morph into being a purely Stardock oriented site with bandwidth caps for all users (including Object Desktop users - though theirs would be higher). Support for non-Stardock sections would slowly disappear or be restricted to subscribers only. The wallpaper section would only be available to those who either have a wallpaper on there that got accepted or subscribers (in all these exaples, anyone with apprentice access or higher would be treated as a subscriber).
There would be banner ads, and things would become vastly more commercial. Instead of a free Christmas suite, it would be a $8 Christmas suite. Instead of free skins, a new system would b eput in place to allow authors to sell their skins as part of te library once they had achieved a certain access level. One-click purchasing by users with the skin authors getting a percent.
That is the commercialized future of skinning. The alternative. It's not necessarily dark and evil. But it is a much different world than what we have now. I suspect many skin authors out there would jump at the chance of being able to get paid for their skins.
I've posted for years that our community is made up of 3 co-equal groups: The skinners, the web masters, and the users. We webmasters are doing everythign we can. The skinners have done their part. The users have to do their part as a collective. Which means of the 75,000 unique visitors this site gets each day, 500 more of them need to contribute back too. As the alternative to voluntarily helping will be paying bits and pieces here and there for skins and themes. The alternative is a smaller community, a more commercialized community but a sustainable one too.
Personally, I hope some balance can be found. While some people think we represent the commercialization of skinning, in reality, we don't. We simply want...must find a sustainable model that allows our community to grow. We have all seen the instability Deskmod, Skinz.org, and even Customize.org have faced. The site has grown beyond what Stardock can pay for via Object Desktop sales. While Stardock's revenue has grown, the traffic to this site has DOUBLED this year.
Like I said, a large percentage of you have already done your part. There's nothing more you can do. But hopefully, the millions of people who come to this site will have some infintesible number of them that recognize that someone has to pay for all this stuff.
The end of the year may end up being the end of this site as we know it. Those new machines will be purchased one way or the other. But if Stardock ends up having to pay for any of those two new machines, it's going to come with strings attached. Ones that will certainly benefit subscribers but the casual users of the world will probably not like.
Reply #322 Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:49 PM
so maybe 10 or 20 megs would be better and give 2 months to figure it out?
While also providing for other things to instill the knowldge that it isn't greed. I am really stuck to KarmaGirls idea of running a contest for up and coming.
you know, or maybe for every 2 megs down a registered user has to submit and have accepted 1 megs of walls, skins or what have you?
If it isn't $ then it could dang well be Bytes...
Which as they get deeper into the skinning, I feel that desire and need of subscribing would grow...
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Reply #325 Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:56 PM
, for example FFXI you paid 50 for the game and to play you must register and pay them every month.Reply #326 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:04 AM

Reply #327 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:05 AM
| #319 by The DJ - 12/11/2003 11:42:48 PM |
i was giving sugestions as to a way to limit dls.. i wasent sure on the variables like if it was weekly daily or total. so put it at a 8 meg total cap then...i thought it ws a weekly cap.. i wouldnt know since ive always been a level 3 til recently .. iv never had a cap to know

Reply #328 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08 AM
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Reply #329 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:21 AM
Here is how I see it.
- If the unregistered downloads are stopped, a certain percent of those people won't register, and will wander off. They weren't gonna contribute monetarily anyway.
- The rest will register, and some will eventually hit the cap.
- Of these, some will subscribe, and others will leave, and some will cheat. In this step, you have spurred subscription, reduced traffic, and at least gotten the remaining freeloaders in a less anonymous place that you can, perhaps, find a way to control.
It is possible that if enough new people are forced to site-register, and some of these eventually subscribe, Stardock might benefit enough to be comfortable with the expense without implementing further changes. I think many just never consider subscribing because they have an unlimited amount of free skins.
I guess what I am saying is why not finish the drive, get the servers up, bar unregistered users from the libraries, and then see if the expense is still prohibitive? If the drive buys the servers, we are back where we were, right?
Reply #330 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:27 AM
| I guess what I am saying is why not finish the drive, get the servers up, bar unregistered users from the libraries, and then see if the expense is still prohibitive? If the drive buys the servers, we are back where we were, right? |
I think Baker got it in a nutshell...
Reply #331 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:28 AM
I really think there are some very good ideas in this thread which could amke a huge difference if filtered through for the keepers and applied in the right way with the correct timing...
Reply #332 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:48 AM
Reply #333 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:57 AM
If the drive proves anything, it shows that if you have them here, logged in and happy, you can spur them to contribute. It is Christmas, after all. A drive like this would be more productive when people have a bit more loose cash, maybe after tax-refund time in April or May. Perhaps a drive like this twice a year would be in order?
Plug the holes, get it floating, and then see if further changes are necessary.
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Reply #334 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:58 AM
Well this seems to be a sticky wicket. I really dont know what to say about it, i like the idea of buying downloads like 10 gets you 100 mg or something like that. I havnt visted ina while and as a matter of fact still havnt purchased a subsciption which i need to do very badly, now that i havea job i can do so, so here comes my contribution.
This is an issue thats just gonna take time. This site has adapted in the past and will continue to do so. There is a way to fix the problem, could be free, could be subsciption service, whatever wincustomize does i will be behind it 100%
Reply #335 Friday, December 12, 2003 12:59 AM
| maybe after tax-refund time in April or May. |
what are you talking about? I file taxes in january and get my money back in january!

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Reply #339 Friday, December 12, 2003 1:42 AM
Your right. A kona.
Back to topic!

Reply #340 Friday, December 12, 2003 4:30 AM

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Reply #321 Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:45 PM