Here is a pretty good tool to get rid of all the services you do not want on your Windows 11 version. It is always good to take back control of your PC.

https://beebom.com/how-debloat-windows-11-improve-performance/

My big problem with W11 is that it's a fraud and a big step on the way to WaaS...Windows as a service. MS forgets there are other OSs.

I think that we have all been wanting a Linux OS to take that big step for over a decade now. The problem is that it never actually happens. If linux ever takes that big step I will be the first in line but I do not se it as a realistic option atm. As far as Apple goes, I do not view them as a better company, just a different form of money grabbing. I feel Apple has cornered their market for years and that isn't a good alternative either.

The real problem is that both Microsoft and Apple have gotten too big. Linux just can't compete with them or really get into the market because of that.

I'm ok with that, but I'd go MacOS because of my imaging software...linux isn't there yet. But MS? Nope.

Fair enough.

Thinking about it now maybe the crowd that likes Apple and the crowd that likes Microsoft really hasn't changed that much in 10 years.

Apple is still for the people that just want their stuff to work with little hassle. Microsoft is for the crowd that wants to get under the hood and make all kinds of changes and really tinker with making their pc to make it function a certain way. Surely, to enjoy Windows 11 modifications do need to be made i.e. start 11.

I do agree with you on some of the subscription and adware type of stuff that Windows 11 is inserting into Windows 10 / 11. They are annoyances and pc users are relying on places such as github, stardock, ect. to clean up and create the Windows experience that is desired. I think that requires someone with a love of mods in order to really enjoy Windows 11

All you have to do is pro-actively educate your users NOT to move to a new OS.

New is not always better, in fact more often than not it is simply worse.

The new commercial model for Windows is probably extremely good for Microsoft....at the expense of all the individual users who will be paying more...and forever.

I used to subscribe to Technet back in the day.  I paid annually for Microsoft's 'stuff', but it wasn't one OS on one machine.  It was for DOZENS of them....along with relevant Office Suites as well.

I was getting value for money...and cannot begrudge the system.

But this is fundamentally different.

Instead [ignoring the 5 systems using 10] I own 'outright' my OS.  It works just fine, and with a subscription to 0patch it stays 'current' and more secure than a buggy Windows Update process.

Too many people equate 'new' with 'better'.  They are  most commonly mutually exclusive terms.

Well said.

"New", maybe. "Better"? Yes...but for whom?  Microsoft. Not you.

What the hell is Daas?

It's the Doug Anthony All Stars ....

I in the past have been just like many others, ie...   waiting for a new OS to iron out it's usual issues. I have always put the latest OS on one of my machines from day one to see what all the Hype is about. For me though, i found Win 11 Enterprise to be fine, it worked well, did the job i needed it to do, so soon adopted faster than i usually would.

hell, I'll use a plug in abacus          That is a brilliant turn of phrase Doc and gave me a giggle when i seen it.

I did not think Win 11 support in my job would be so busy so soon, but it was from day one of it's launch, i thought , here we go, these peeps will need a tutorial on any Win 11 new features, but it was seldom about how to use Win 11, more about little changes and how it effected how it worked when using my Companies sites and Software, which is similar to Win 10.

I do not blame you for hating the direction Win 11 is going in, i too do not like it, hopefully many more will hate it too, but as we know MS does not listen to it's customers, probably never will.

I will certainly share any fixes or workaround  ( within the rules)when and if they are needed Mate.

Hi Phoenix, hope you are well mate.

Luckily the net is awash with Programs and apps like the one you have listed mate, so at least there should not be a problem with users finding them and more important, Using Them.

Yes. Luckily there are programs to reverse/workaround the nonsense that is W11. Doesn't the absurdity of that strike you? W10 is the best workaround.

The only winning move is not to play.

Jafo.

I can not actively educate the users who use my Company, to not move to a new OS, that is there decision, i play no part in that, nor would my company allow it, we live in a world of mostly free speech and decisions, so that is beyond my control.

I agree, new is not always better, but in the past, i have found this to be true with lots of things, not everything new is worst. I do understand this forums users and a lot of them do hate Win 11 for lots of reasons, i can only speak for myself when i say, It works well for me, no problems as of yet, even though i have worked with it since day one. For me the biggest downside of Win 11 is not having my Wonderful Windowblinds  fully working, but that did push me in a new direction with Themes, something i would never have done if it could have been made available when Win 11 launched (Silver Linings And All That).

Totally agree with you as the MS model for OSs is massively different from older OSs.

I do not Equate new with Better, but many things that are new and recent are much better too. Every 3 years a Buy a New Car, every newer and latest Car has been Much Better. I have built an ultimate Audio Visual Package in my Bedroom, Huge Plasma TV, on a multi Function Arm that swings out over my bed, all connected to my Computer, Each time i have bought newer components, the set up gets Better after each new thing is added, i could go on and on Jafo mate. For me Win 11 has been no different, it keeps me current for work, with plenty of Hands on Hours, days and months which in turn makes me better at my job as i adopted it early. (Not through Choice). 

How much do you pay Jafo for the 0patch, maybe i can educate customers who like you, have not, or choose not to move forward and adopt the Latest OS.

What about support for apps and Programs, Drivers etc...with Win 7, surely manufacturers will not support Win 7 forever.

Yes it is absurd Doc, but as i have no choice or influence over who adopts what OS and when, i just deal with what is in front of me, safe in the knowledge i have plenty of time invested in the OSs both earlier and newer to be able to support peeps who pay my wages Via the money the pay my Company.

I do still have 2 fully Updated Win 10 SSD installations, so i can see both sides of the coin so to speak, but it would be a lie if i said i spend much time on them, just keep them updated, except when i try out a new Windowblind masterskin, 4 more on Order from neon and Vamp, so an hour or so testing them out and i will be back into Win 11.

naroon1...

Lived too long to equate new with better.  Newest car I've ever owned was a 2007 SAAB Aero V6 convertible...bought in 2013 ...so 'only' 6 years old.  Reason is...in 2007 it was 92.5 Thousand ....in 2013 it was almost run in [as it were] at 56k km, and cost me 23.5.

Same car...same performance...better money...

I still have it...along with another [older].

I don't buy new cars every 3 years...as it adds to land-fill to be dumping old for new...panders to one's ego but is not sustainable.  46 years in Architecture and you learn about the reasonable ethics of sustainability...so old is often a lot better.

0patch is a subscription that maintains the old OS at a safe level, and as with ALL things computer...you should NEVER simply update 'stuff' just because an update is available.  Too many times a Vid driver update fucks a computer...and you find the content of the update has no bearing on anything you have installed....eg fixes a game you don't have.

0patch has silently initiated 7,621,536 patches in realtime as needed to 3155 programs....and yet Win Update still says 'new updates available' so MS still hasn't given up on 7 ...in spite of what they tell you.

I don't like being told what OS I am supposed to be using...simply because MS got it wrong...way back with '8'.  There IS NO Windows phone...ergo the interface WAS NEVER NEEDED.

Yair....the kernels might be 'neat', but the shells are utter shite.

Being on the 'cutting edge' means you are on the 'bleeding edge'....

Been there...done that....back in the 60's with Fortran...

7,621,638 for 0patch since I posted....

Jafo

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7,621,638 for 0patch since I posted....

Wonder who told you about that gem? I'm so glad I found it, Paul. I wonder how many times it's saved me.

naroon1, W11 is a definite step towards WaaS. That will cost you plenty, beyond your (relative) freedom.

Jafo

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naroon1...

Lived too long to equate new with better.  Newest car I've ever owned was a 2007 SAAB Aero V6 convertible...bought in 2013 ...so 'only' 6 years old.  Reason is...in 2007 it was 92.5 Thousand ....in 2013 it was almost run in [as it were] at 56k km, and cost me 23.5.

Same car...same performance...better money...

I still have it...along with another [older].

I don't buy new cars every 3 years...as it adds to land-fill to be dumping old for new...panders to one's ego but is not sustainable.  46 years in Architecture and you learn about the reasonable ethics of sustainability...so old is often a lot better.

0patch is a subscription that maintains the old OS at a safe level, and as with ALL things computer...you should NEVER simply update 'stuff' just because an update is available.  Too many times a Vid driver update fucks a computer...and you find the content of the update has no bearing on anything you have installed....eg fixes a game you don't have.

0patch has silently initiated 7,621,536 patches in realtime as needed to 3155 programs....and yet Win Update still says 'new updates available' so MS still hasn't given up on 7 ...in spite of what they tell you.

I don't like being told what OS I am supposed to be using...simply because MS got it wrong...way back with '8'.  There IS NO Windows phone...ergo the interface WAS NEVER NEEDED.

Yair....the kernels might be 'neat', but the shells are utter shite.

Being on the 'cutting edge' means you are on the 'bleeding edge'....

Been there...done that....back in the 60's with Fortran...

I am a guy of age myself Jafo.

I do not have an Ego to Pander too, I Lost that kind of thing during my Military Years, Huge Egos cost lives, and that will not happen on my watch.

What do you think i do with a 3 year old car, i certainly do not send it to landfill, i sell it to others who to them, it is newer and or Better than what they had before, or why would they but it.

I can not agree with "so old is often a lot better."  I could go on all day and night about things i have bought new that are so much better than the things they replaced, i can agree that Some things older are better, but your words "Often A Lot Better is going too far for me.

I agree about being told about what OS to use, that is why i have a 4 SSD set up with two Win 10 and two Win 11, it provides all i need and has the added advantage of Hands on time with what is current and being used by a larger section of the peeps i need to support for work.

Have had lots of issues with peeps with Graphic Drivers, not so much me, but agree totally, Nvidia seem to release an update every 2 minutes    and you are 100% correct, they seldom update anything i really need, i am not a Gamer but i am Passionate about X265 Encoding, love what it can do.

MS will give up on 7 unless there is a serious issue, that is the way of things. How will 0Patch fair against compatibility with vendors not updating Drivers etc.. almost all OSs stop being supported after a while, does 0patch fix that sort of thing too, really curious.