What a crap

What do you mean, Barb?

Just checked my fully updated Win 11 Enterprise accounts section, i do not have "Your Microsoft account."  i do have one Nag screen asking me to update my MS info as i have not entered any MS accounts on set up, not for several years now.

Too many peeps will hand over there info to MS without realising what they are doing, i suppose that will never change. At least we can try to steer our membership in the right direction, and more importantly, Why.

No...you're right on. Read the articles after your coffee and breakfast.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940517/windows-11-pro-require-microsoft-account-internet-connection

https://www.howtogeek.com/739837/fyi-windows-11-home-will-require-a-microsoft-account-for-initial-setup/https://www.howtogeek.com/739837/fyi-windows-11-home-will-require-a-microsoft-account-for-initial-setup/

They're just doing it differently for the different editions of Windows.

Just tell me why W10 continually updated wasn't good enough. I think it's because they want to create a situation where they can bill you on a "rental" basis. 

How would it profit M$ to bill you more: Once via the cost of your PC or on a monthly basis?

Those articles are from June 2021 Dr. Peeps have been kicking this ball around for a while now Doc. I bet there will be users who do something about this future development, just like when the early nonsense about TPM modules etc started. I have No TPM Module and run Win11 on two of 4 SSDs. I am sure we will see more and more Modded Windows hit the net.

Windows 10 as the last ever Windows according to MS, some time before we seen news of Win11. I never really believed MS on that one anyway (No more windows after 10, Yeh Right). They have to sell there new products to make money or like we have previously disused, a dual strategy of Data theft and a new Windows allowing more and more of this.

I would not be surprised if we see a massive jump in Warez Windows, there are already a slew of Windows11 out there that deal with all the previous stupid hardware requirements, enabling the installation of Win 11 on older machines that are perfectly OK to Run it. Peeps have always pushed back at MS Stupidity, that will continue. I can not tell you why they never stuck with a constantly updated Win 10, although i understood it was a lie very early on.

I do think there will be a Win 12 and later in the years to come, in what form , i do not know, but i do know savvy peeps will push back at the attempts to rip us off, either that be the Windows itself with Data wholes all over the place, or Windows as a service as like you say "Rental". MS has more BS than Politicians, do i trust them , hell No, am i worried, not really for the reasons i have said.

The articles have not proven wrong. Your nag screen confirms that for your edition of Windows as well: Tell me what a Microsoft account has to do with your OS? Tell me why you would have to sign into that account in order to use your computer, and what will happen to all your work, documents, and everything else when that account is hacked?

"there are already a slew of Windows11 out there that deal with all the previous stupid hardware requirements, enabling the installation of Win 11 on older machines that are perfectly OK to Run it."

However, MS AI update will not update those machines in the future leaving them without the possibility of roll back. And you assume those workarounds and possible future hacks will be beneficial...which they may not be, and here on WC we do not advocate for hacks.

The articles on the OP prove themselves. Whether Warez appear to try and hack Windows isn't relevant to the central question of whether Windows PCs will become DaaS...and I think W11, the fancy security patch for W10, is another step on the way to that.

I am not taking issue with what you say Doc, more my point is, what ever crap they pull, there will always be a work around of one type or other. They did announce Windows 10 would be a Daas but that changed. I have a zero footprint in in the cloud anyway, so personally, i have to rely on my IT skillset to not get hacked. I too have seen many articles regarding this on Reddit, all come with several workarounds posted in replies. As this latest MS issue gets closer, more users will find ways to get things just how they like regardless of what MS do, i can not see that changing, hence my Replies of "MS Push, Others Push Back"

There is no need to have to sign into a MS account to use your PC, i agree with you, we should not have to, if you do not want to. It is not always Warez hacking that gets around a problem, as not all the workarounds require any hacking at all, i think that will continue as we see more and more MS Bull. Right now that nag screen of mine is just that, my machines still have complete and full functioning if i do nothing about that nag screen. We can hope that enough peeps make a big issue with this and vote with there Wallets, although i think there will still be too many who do not.

I do think MS would like to control everything we do and how on our machines, including making Future Win 11s a Daas, but after decades of users doing it the older way ie Buying there OS, or getting a free upgrade with Data wholes in it, it will be a huge change in direction to have to pay just to use Windows on fully cloud based services. MS has implemented serious user unfriendly things before and back tracked when they realised the user backlash is not what they expected, will they do it again over this, time will tell, even if they do not see the light, others will ,and will continue to help users do and set up things how they want. Everything i have read about this over the last few months is upsetting users. The replies in such articles are always a mix of between users who will not upgrade, and those who have found ways to get around this and report back in how to do it. The closer we get to this full roll out over all Editions , the more we will see user friendly ways around it. Windows 11 as a service is not for me either, will i pay for it as a Daas, no, but i will watch the scene closely until i a work around i am happy with comes along, yes.

Yep, it's called Win 7.

As soon as I saw the 'price' of Win 10 I knew where it was all heading....and if you bought it like you always did they wouldn't be allowed to change the rules later.

But...

Because you got it for eff-all they are not required to maintain a contractual agreement...and can move the goalposts where ever they like.

Welcome to the Scam that is Windows 10...11....365....

Where's Microsoft Bob when you need him? ...

Necro OSs are not an option if You do IT for a living. Nor are they for a corporate environment. For a private tunnel-view, that's semi okay. I for me can't afford to have that.

WTH. Why do edits create a new post?

Jafo, you really do love your windows 7   

Going Backwards is not an option for me, i have to move with the times or i would be useless in my job. That work around will come , right now i am good but sooner or later i will have to do clean installs on two of my SSDs as i have never been a fan of one feature update installed over another and another, so will have no choice, but i do know i will not pay MS on an ongoing basis. It is a scam but with a change here and there i am not really worried.

Totally agree with C242, have to move forward not back.

Jafo

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Where's Microsoft Bob when you need him? ...

Will Clippy do?

But W11 does? Try looking at the menus, apps and icons...and think "finished" for that OS which should have had a centralized, supervisory oversight of all the team silos going in different directions.

https://www.neowin.net/news/getting-the-basics-of-windows-11-right-should-be-a-higher-priority-for-microsoft/

And W11 is "forward"?

All it can honestly be called is a glorified security patch for W10 with some superficial makeup...which M$  claimed would be its last OS, to evolve with time. 

Btw...if it's "forward", why will we need user "workaround" hack-oids not to sign onto your required M$ account to use your computer? Seriously?

Things like this is why Microsoft has become Microshit. End of story.   

Forward as in the latest Operating System, i have explained this before Doc, i need to offer support for work for those users who need Win 11 support, so to move backwards to an older Operating System simply will not work for me and others. I have to have Hands on time, yes i still can offer support for Win 10 as it is still considered mainstream. Sticking to Win 7 like Jafo would mean i had no job.

MS can still do things i as a user do not agree with, all those requirements for peeps machines needing before they can upgrade from 10 to 11 a good example, i had to make those changes to the OS so my Custom Built Rig which is still very fast and effective, could run Win 11, and here i am after those changes with Win 11 running as well as i want or need it too.

So when and if Win 11 becomes a Daas, lots of peeps like me, you and others will not like or need it, we make some changes, getting it back to how we want. Come on Doc, we all customise our PCs, me more than anyone, to make them look and work how we want. As a Power PC user with my job and Forum, i considered every OS since Win 7 not fit for my needs, as i can not look at the same desktop for all those hours without going crazy, so we change that environment , making it work for us, it is no different really. So if i have to jump through one hoop(or one less not having to sign into a MS account) when setting up my future Win 11 OSs to make them look and work how i want, i will do it. If your reasoning was correct, we would all be living our digital life's on just a Default setting right across the board, there would be no forum here for one. If Change is necessary, i say change it, change is both good and bad, and if and when it is needed, i go for it, at the end of the day MS will do what it wants, if it changes something that i do not like , i am not going to complain if i can do something about it.

Ok, naroon1, I understand you, because it's your work and you depend on it. Np, my friend.

Luckily, however, I don't need MS nor Windows to survive. I'll happily move on to Linux, or MacOS...hell, I'll use a plug in abacus but no one, and I mean no one is going to make me buy a new MS approved computer to pay to use whatever passes as their OS, apps and Cloud.