Windows 12?

Windows 11 isn't even on my machine yet!

Friday, April 22, 2022 by DrJBHL | Discussion: Personal Computing

When my redneck friend (yeah, the one I always 'shop') sent me this Windows 12 tidbit, I figured "He's seeking vengeance for all my miserable shops." Then I started researching it. As with most things MS, there are two sides. One says it's in the works, the other says nah, 11 is barely here.

It seems it's all based on a SwiftSecurity tweet which was supposed to be a joke, and was deleted. Well, that stopped nothing in our current age of conspiracy theories, of course. 

What then followed was a list of what should be in W12, it's release date and what's needed for W12, etc. 

MS has, of course, revealed nothing and confirmed even less.

Say, didn't they say W10 was the last OS and it would be updated indefinitely? I guess the sales department had something to say about that idea.

As usual, Martin Brinkmann at gHacks is the voice of sanity at the eye of this tempest in a virtual tea pot:

"Microsoft's Windows 10 operating system is supported until 2025, Windows 11, which Microsoft released just last year, has no final end of support date yet. Feature updates are supported for 2 years for Home users and Microsoft will release new versions that are supported for another 2 years.

If Windows 11 is supported for 10 years, the period of Windows 10's support, then Windows 11 will be supported until late 2031. Windows 12 will likely be released in the meantime, if Microsoft continues to push forward with its strategy." - Martin Brinkmann (gHacks)

 

My thought? MS always has something in the works. Is it W12 or just another OS to stimulate computer sales with hardware requirements...or is there a difference?

 

Sources:

https://www.techadvisor.com/news/windows/windows-12-3814051/

https://betanews.com/2022/03/14/windows-12-2/

https://thewestnews.com/windows-12-release-date-new-features-compatibility-and-latest-news/70898

https://www.ghacks.net/2022/02/21/the-next-final-version-of-windows-12-may-already-be-in-development/

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PhoenixRising1
Reply #21 Wednesday, August 10, 2022 5:48 PM

In all honesty and at the current moment my excitement for Windows 12 is incredibly low. I am having a hard time envisioning why we would even need a new operating system from Microsoft so soon. To me the strategy comes across as a bit of a cash grab for hardware sales. Even with Windows Vista and Windows 8, right now Windows 12 ranks lower then those two in my initial thoughts simply because it's too soon.

Since I am a tech enthusiast, I will probably still try out Windows 12. But nothing is yet saying go out and buy a new PC to take advantage of this new OS.

@Naroon

I am doing well. I am a bit busier then I used to be so I am no longer able to be as active as I used to be here. But I still peak in from time to time.

JanOscar
Reply #22 Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:02 PM

I'm on Windows 10, and have been for the past seven years or so, I think. Everything works like it's supposed to, and on my main computer I have only done one reinstall and that wasn't even because of a major issue. For me personally, I see no reason to even consider Windows 11, or Windows 12.... The saying don't fix it if it ain't broke keep ringing in my ears. Ask Jafo. He's still on Windows 7, I reckon, and if it fits his needs, why not. I loved W7, and although everything is working great with 10, I miss it sometimes because I dug so deep into it. I'm not as excited as the rest of you guys when a new operating system comes along, simply because I don't need it - yet.

LightStar
Reply #23 Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:38 PM

I totally agree with you Jan, but I will be doing WB's for Windows 11 (and 12) so I bought a new and faster PC a while back, just waiting for Stardock to release the needed software.

naroon1
Reply #24 Thursday, August 11, 2022 9:42 AM

DrJBHL

I don't think the answer to MS's using its OSs as hardware marketing tools is hacking or "patching". We'll continue to be at odds about that because fundamentally, these efforts probably void warranties.

OK Doc.

 

As ever i am fully open to other methods of negating the crap MS pushes on us, what would you say is the next best alternative. The Rufus method has been adopted by many users according to some of the forums i use, must still be a lot of peeps who do not have a warranty running on there PCs.

naroon1
Reply #25 Thursday, August 11, 2022 9:46 AM

DaveRI


Quoting DrJBHL,

I don't think the answer to MS's using its OSs as hardware marketing tools is hacking or "patching".



And I think it's safe to say the vast majority of users won't fool with it.  Many (Most?) won't even go through the o/s settings provided by MS to minimize the exposure, researching those and digging them out is enough of a chore in itself.

Hello Dave, hope you are well. I agree there are too many peeps who just click yes numerous times during the set up, then do zero more to protect there system, peeps like myself and others delve deep into the OS to keep my Data safe, but there are more and more programs and third party apps that can do the biggest part of this. In fact it is so much of a problem to the savvy user, we are seeing more and more programs hitting the listings daily, so at least plenty to choose from.

naroon1
Reply #26 Thursday, August 11, 2022 9:59 AM

PhoenixRising1

In all honesty and at the current moment my excitement for Windows 12 is incredibly low. I am having a hard time envisioning why we would even need a new operating system from Microsoft so soon. To me the strategy comes across as a bit of a cash grab for hardware sales. Even with Windows Vista and Windows 8, right now Windows 12 ranks lower then those two in my initial thoughts simply because it's too soon.

Since I am a tech enthusiast, I will probably still try out Windows 12. But nothing is yet saying go out and buy a new PC to take advantage of this new OS.

@Naroon

I am doing well. I am a bit busier then I used to be so I am no longer able to be as active as I used to be here. But I still peak in from time to time.

Good to see you jumping in when you can.

I will have no choice but to adopt Win 12 as soon as it is a real deal, then the biggest choice for me would be what OSs to use for my Multi Booting System, i would like to say i give equal attention to all 4 OSs on my SSDs, but that would be a blatant lie, Windows 10 with WB10 is my least used by far, had to jump in to it yesterday for the monthly patch Wednesday, and i may not revisit the Win 10 drive until next cumulative update, Win 11 Enterprise has been good to me since day one, so for me that drive was a no brainer for daily use.

For many years now, i have not had a store purchased PC, i am a Techy Guy too, so every system for years has been built by me and is fully bespoke to me, so i never had any intention of running out and following MSs lead of needing new Hardware, that decision is mine and i would never pass that decision over to MS to make for me. I have purchased Laptops for the wife, and when i replace them yo higher spec models, the older ones pass over to me to do my Naroon thing with, whatever that may be at the time.

DrJBHL
Reply #27 Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:03 AM

DaveRI

Many (Most?) won't even go through the o/s settings provided by MS to minimize the exposure, researching those and digging them out is enough of a chore in itself.

How true.

This should help those wanting to do so for Windows 10:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/12/21/how-to-secure-microsoft-windows-10-in-8-easy-steps-microsoft-win10-security-tutorial/?sh=6daba40f4ec9

If anyone wishes to add, please feel free to do so.

naroon1
Reply #28 Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:11 AM

JanOscar

I am happy you like were you are now, no problem, I do not have any choice in the matter, as an IT Pro, i have to be up to date to offer support for my job. If my job did not dictate the OSs i need to use, maybe i would not have made the move so soon, but as i have previously said, Win 11 has been seamless and bug free since just before it's official launch for me. I like Win 11 as it does everything i need it to do, it's just another tool in my IT box. Plus i am a massive IT fan too, and curiosity always gets the better of me with new IT Stuff and OSs.

naroon1
Reply #29 Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:25 AM

DrJBHL


Quoting DaveRI,

Many (Most?) won't even go through the o/s settings provided by MS to minimize the exposure, researching those and digging them out is enough of a chore in itself.



How true.

This should help those wanting to do so:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/12/21/how-to-secure-microsoft-windows-10-in-8-easy-steps-microsoft-win10-security-tutorial/?sh=6daba40f4ec9

If anyone wishes to add, please feel free to do so.

 

Settings You Should Change to Protect Your Privacy on Windows 11

 

https://beebom.com/change-windows-11-settings-protect-privacy/

https://www.jetico.com/blog/how-take-back-your-windows-11-privacy

https://makmodo.com/stop-windows-11-from-spying/

https://www.geckoandfly.com/25083/free-tools-disable-stop-windows-spying-tracking-you/

The net is full of these self help tutorials, obviously in response to MSs Data Stealing methods, also plenty of apps and programs to do this, but even that choice tells a lot in how a user picks how to go about it. Apps usually means signing in to MS Store, this in itself is a none starter, go the Internet route and choose a Program, so many to choose from, put your homework in when and how you choose what to use. Returning Win 11 to a user safer method of operating is easier than ever with so much help on the net for those that are not sure how to move forward.

Daiwa
Reply #30 Thursday, August 25, 2022 11:57 AM

My take is that Windows 12 won't be just a hardware-sales strategy, but the next step toward funneling all Windows software through the Microsoft Store so they can take their cut there too.  Won't happen quickly or easily, but they can smell it.

naroon1
Reply #31 Friday, August 26, 2022 8:58 AM


My take is that Windows 12 won't be just a hardware-sales strategy, but the next step toward funneling all Windows software through the Microsoft Store so they can take their cut there too.  Won't happen quickly or easily, but they can smell it.

You are not wrong Daiwa about there possible intent, as they are already trying to do this or at least pointed in that way in Win 11 22H2 by trying to ensure a user can not complete the installation process without inputting a MS Account E Mail, but as in all things MS does that the end user does not like, resourceful peeps negate and change this back to how they wish to do things, Rufus changes it all back.

Not sure about ALL Windows software going that way fully, even in the future. There are just too many 3rd Party Companies who write software for Windows OSs, i can not see MS taking over every Software house everywhere or make the companies release only through there store.. They may wish to do this, but in reality i can not see all Windows Software going through the MS Store. I think there is still a lot of peeps like myself who have almost never used the MS store, but who use there Computer in loads of different ways, using multiple software from lots of varied software houses, doing numerous things.

naroon1
Reply #32 Monday, October 3, 2022 12:16 PM

ritawog

My windows 7 works perfectly I'm not sure what the new in wd12!!!

Jafo would love you still using Win 7, For me, there are too many issues using an OS so old and outdated. Will i move over to Win 12 as soon as its out, Yes as i have no choice for work.

PhoenixRising1
Reply #33 Monday, October 3, 2022 1:17 PM

naroon1


Quoting ritawog,

My windows 7 works perfectly I'm not sure what the new in wd12!!!



Jafo would love you still using Win 7, For me, there are too many issues using an OS so old and outdated. Will i move over to Win 12 as soon as its out, Yes as i have no choice for work.

It is possible that Windows 12 will just be Windows 11 finally finished but with a fancy new name. For example, I just can't see them building things like yet another taskbar when the one on Windows 11 still doesn't have the same amount of functionality as Windows 10 did. If this were the strategy then it would be reason for a Windows 7 holder over to finally upgrade. However, if Microsoft were to build everything again from scratch then we should expect a repeat of Windows 11 where functionality returns at a slow pace. If this is the case then holdovers are going to remain holdovers until Microsoft has a final product again one day.

JanOscar
Reply #34 Monday, October 3, 2022 1:24 PM

PhoenixRising1

It is possible that Windows 12 will just be Windows 11 finally finished but with a fancy new name.
That's how they did it in the past with several Window versions like the dreaded Windows Me.

naroon1
Reply #35 Tuesday, October 4, 2022 10:51 AM

PhoenixRising1


Quoting naroon1,






Quoting ritawog,



My windows 7 works perfectly I'm not sure what the new in wd12!!!



Jafo would love you still using Win 7, For me, there are too many issues using an OS so old and outdated. Will i move over to Win 12 as soon as its out, Yes as i have no choice for work.



It is possible that Windows 12 will just be Windows 11 finally finished but with a fancy new name. For example, I just can't see them building things like yet another taskbar when the one on Windows 11 still doesn't have the same amount of functionality as Windows 10 did. If this were the strategy then it would be reason for a Windows 7 holder over to finally upgrade. However, if Microsoft were to build everything again from scratch then we should expect a repeat of Windows 11 where functionality returns at a slow pace. If this is the case then holdovers are going to remain holdovers until Microsoft has a final product again one day.

 

I agree mate, possibly Windows 12 will just be a Re Badge like they do in the car industry and will indeed just be a complete Win 11.

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