R I A A A ! ! Are we Scared?!
Monday, September 29, 2003 by ToolWraith | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Hello everyone, i've been reading up on this whole P2P file sharing contraversy, and realized, after the 250+/- lawsuits, has the overall number of P2P users decreased? Are we scared? I've noticed that I rarely use KaZaa now, infact, i havn't touched it for atleast 2 to 3 weeks, whereas I used to be on it everyday!
What do you think? leave your opinions, too!
What do you think? leave your opinions, too!
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Styl-X Design
Reply #42 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 1:24 PM
Reply #42 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 1:24 PM
ToolWraith, lets say you are selling that wallpaper, for $10.
You make a lot of many and stuff but then from 1 moment to the other your sales stop, and nobody is buying anymore, and then you notice that someone has put up your wall on kazaa.
dasn't sound fair das it?
You make a lot of many and stuff but then from 1 moment to the other your sales stop, and nobody is buying anymore, and then you notice that someone has put up your wall on kazaa.
dasn't sound fair das it?
Styl-X Design
Reply #43 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 1:27 PM
Reply #43 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 1:27 PM
DJ, the part about being higher educated was a JOKE!! Didn't you noticed the smiley?
And skinning labels you real educated?
A: no, but when you are an ARTIST you don't like it to see people rip YOUR stuff, so you know what is wrong.
And skinning labels you real educated?
A: no, but when you are an ARTIST you don't like it to see people rip YOUR stuff, so you know what is wrong.
grayhaze
Reply #44 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:09 PM
Reply #44 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:09 PM
I use K-Lite. I use it to sample music before I buy an album and to catch up with TV shows I've missed. If we had the same system in music stores here that they do in the US, we would be able to listen to a CD before buying it. Unfortunately, the record labels prefer us folks in the UK to buy albums based purely on word of mouth and reputation.
The DJ
Reply #45 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:09 PM
Reply #45 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:09 PM
Alright, my fault Styl.
Yeah CaptainWin, most of the money a music artist makes comes from touring. So you're not hurting them like they would try to make you believe.
Yeah CaptainWin, most of the money a music artist makes comes from touring. So you're not hurting them like they would try to make you believe.
kona0197
Reply #46 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:47 PM
yes you are hurting them. stealing is stealing.
Reply #46 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:47 PM
| Yeah CaptainWin, most of the money a music artist makes comes from touring. So you're not hurting them like they would try to make you believe. |
yes you are hurting them. stealing is stealing.
Styl-X Design
Reply #47 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:04 PM
Reply #47 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:04 PM
grayhaze, you can't listen to music in the store before buying a cd?
I went to buy the new rollingstones flashlight album, I walk into the store, get the and want to pay it, they take the money and then asked me: but don't you want to listen to it first?
I went to buy the new rollingstones flashlight album, I walk into the store, get the and want to pay it, they take the money and then asked me: but don't you want to listen to it first?
Jafo
Reply #48 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 4:20 PM
Reply #48 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 4:20 PM
grayhaze....this time, 30 years ago I was in London buying quite a few records [Vinyl] mostly Floyd.....from a shop [as I recall] called 'Virgin'....and headphones, etc were set up for listening....meanwhile in Oz we were just discovering electricity...
j dott
Reply #49 Thursday, October 2, 2003 2:40 AM
Reply #49 Thursday, October 2, 2003 2:40 AM
I hope some sort of payment scheme (maybe somewhat like radio) is worked out so that there can be legal downloads that are flexible (the DRM stuff right now sucks). Until then, it's buy the CD, rip it, stick in a box -- over and over again. Oh well. I can wait.
One thing that concerns me about illegal firesharing is that it may very well lead to some unsettling restrictions in 'fair use'. Those of us who play fair will end up with inferior products (CDs that don't play in computer drives, etc.) while someone will crack it and the kazzaa crowd will have superior product. A good example of where this is happened is ebooks. You purchase the product for basically the same price as the printed copy, but you are not able to print (or at least print only very limited passages) while fair use allows the copying of comparitively large portions from the printed text (for legitimate reasons). I would never give the file to someone else (beyond maybe a colleague to browse for a couple of days -- which is exactly what we do with physical texts), yet I'm punished because of others.
I hope that the promise of the internet as sort of a global multimedia library can be realized. It is ok to loan something you own to someone else under certain conditions. I can go down the street and check out some old Louis Armstrong LP's from the public library (although this varies depending on jurisdiction). A few years ago I thought we were going in that direction, but a seemingly total disregard for the copyright holder coupled with an extreme distrust of the legitimate end user has resulted in a pretty severe regression in the quality of the internet in this respect. The solution starts with the end to rampant copyright theft. If users make a good-faith effort, perhaps the RIAA will provide us with a real digital alternative.
One thing that concerns me about illegal firesharing is that it may very well lead to some unsettling restrictions in 'fair use'. Those of us who play fair will end up with inferior products (CDs that don't play in computer drives, etc.) while someone will crack it and the kazzaa crowd will have superior product. A good example of where this is happened is ebooks. You purchase the product for basically the same price as the printed copy, but you are not able to print (or at least print only very limited passages) while fair use allows the copying of comparitively large portions from the printed text (for legitimate reasons). I would never give the file to someone else (beyond maybe a colleague to browse for a couple of days -- which is exactly what we do with physical texts), yet I'm punished because of others.
I hope that the promise of the internet as sort of a global multimedia library can be realized. It is ok to loan something you own to someone else under certain conditions. I can go down the street and check out some old Louis Armstrong LP's from the public library (although this varies depending on jurisdiction). A few years ago I thought we were going in that direction, but a seemingly total disregard for the copyright holder coupled with an extreme distrust of the legitimate end user has resulted in a pretty severe regression in the quality of the internet in this respect. The solution starts with the end to rampant copyright theft. If users make a good-faith effort, perhaps the RIAA will provide us with a real digital alternative.
EventHorizon
Reply #50 Thursday, October 2, 2003 9:46 AM
I should've mentioned that in my post...
Reply #50 Thursday, October 2, 2003 9:46 AM
| I don't use Kazaa anymore either |
I should've mentioned that in my post...
ToolWraith
Reply #51 Thursday, October 9, 2003 7:21 PM
I'll answer that with this:
As i've said before, its unfortunate that the majority of users are abusers...
Reply #51 Thursday, October 9, 2003 7:21 PM
| ToolWraith, lets say you are selling that wallpaper, for $10.You make a lot of many and stuff but then from 1 moment to the other your sales stop, and nobody is buying anymore, and then you notice that someone has put up your wall on kazaa. |
I'll answer that with this:
| I think that Kazaa and other p2p progs are abused, but if structured correctly could become an asset to artists. |
As i've said before, its unfortunate that the majority of users are abusers...
_02
Reply #52 Saturday, October 11, 2003 8:07 AM
Reply #52 Saturday, October 11, 2003 8:07 AM
Here's a question that noone here seems to have considered yet (if i'm mistaken, correct me).... Are the musicians getting anything out of the settlements that the RIAA are making out of court, and if any of these cases do actually make it to court and fines are imposed on the people who are found guilty of illegally downloading copyrighted music, are the musicians getting anything out of that?
Seems that the musicians are getting a raw deal either way!
Seems that the musicians are getting a raw deal either way!
SelfExiled
Reply #53 Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:09 PM
Reply #53 Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:09 PM
They always do Keith and always have. I have no sympathy for the RIAA. This isn't about musicians. It's about rich executives who sit behind a desk, make money ripping off others work, and now want to sue little children. I say GO RIAA!! - To hell. 
Sid460
Reply #55 Sunday, October 12, 2003 5:57 PM
Reply #55 Sunday, October 12, 2003 5:57 PM
I look at it as record companies realizing that if they don't do something their scheme of ripping off customers and artists could be over. That's basically what they do... rip you and the artist off, it takes less than 2 bucks to make a CD, and they charge you 16 for it, the executives make way more money than the artists when all the talent and creativity comes from the artists. I wouldn't mind if the artist directly charged me 16 bucks for their work, at least I know all the money is going to them, but as long as the executives keep getting rich with their own old scheme with their own rules i won't give em a dime.
Styl-X Design
Reply #56 Sunday, October 12, 2003 6:03 PM
Reply #56 Sunday, October 12, 2003 6:03 PM
common people, if the artist didn't get enough money, they wouldn't sign the contract, because you buy their cd's, you begin to like them and visit their conserts, if there weren't record companys distributing their cd's they wouldn't get on mtv etc, so record companys do have thier point
paxx
Reply #58 Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:50 PM
Reply #58 Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:50 PM
The biggest thieves in the World are insurance companies, yet if you're caught in an insurance fraud, you're in big trouble. Stealing from crooks is still stealing.
Besides, if you steal music, you're not only stealing from the record company, but from the artists too.
paxx
Reply #59 Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:54 PM
Reply #59 Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:54 PM
And please, quit it with that children nonsense. Nobody is prosecuting any children, it's a media hype.
If your child is wearing his seatbelt, he's not the one getting fined, YOU are (or the driver).
If your child is wearing his seatbelt, he's not the one getting fined, YOU are (or the driver).
Jafo
Reply #60 Sunday, October 12, 2003 11:21 PM
Reply #60 Sunday, October 12, 2003 11:21 PM
But paxx...didn't you know?.....the record companies [who the artists willingly contracted to have 'steal' from them] are B.A.D., whereas the individual person[s] who the artist has NO contract with is allowed to steal from the artist AND the record company with impunity....[according to those hypocrites out there without a clue]....
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Reply #41 Wednesday, October 1, 2003 1:13 PM