Creation vs. Evolution
Thursday, September 11, 2003 by grayhaze | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I thought I'd pre-empt this discussion before Kona's comment in the other thread sparked it off there. There is concrete proof that we evolved, but no proof that we were created. What's you're opinion, and why?
To quote Phoebe from Friends: "I guess the real question is who put those fossils there and why?"
To quote Phoebe from Friends: "I guess the real question is who put those fossils there and why?"
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Peff
Reply #242 Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:18 PM
Reply #242 Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:18 PM
It seems kind of pointless to even discuss this. After all, nothing (absolutely nothing) can be proven with a metaphysical certainty (beyond a shadow of a doubt). After all, the entire universe might be the product (or illusion being projected) of a brain in a vat, somewhere.
This is an interesting read...
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&catID=2
BTW, I'm an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac....I stay up all night wondering if there really is a dog
This is an interesting read...
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&catID=2
BTW, I'm an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac....I stay up all night wondering if there really is a dog
IPlural
Reply #243 Monday, September 15, 2003 2:26 AM
Reply #243 Monday, September 15, 2003 2:26 AM
mmm, my mother taught Sunday School and my brother was an alter bot, Red dress with White Smock over the top of it ( used to pick on him about it until he would hit me 
)...
It is not only death insurance it is also better than Ajax cause it takes all stain out...
People can do as they like 6 days a week and on the 7 th bow their head and be free to walk out the door ready for another week of Do Unto others and then split...
Not all, but many and most of those in my life...
Once humanity can get past having to have someone to pass things on they do not wish to deal with and also accept the fact that they own their actions and no one else has that responsibility things might change. Until they it not only functions as death insurance, and co-dependency but at also has the value added feature of giving reason to go out and kill others in many instances...
I remember after 9/11 on the CNN chat and reading as all these people ranted about having to kill Muslims because they wanted to kill use first. That the whole religion must be destroyed and the people converted to Christianity for the worlds sake.
Kinda sat me back on my heals reading that crap, It also pretty much proved to me that we have just as many fanatics running around ( at least in type on the net where it is safe to be a fanatic ) as any other religion. But that the biggest difference is, the Islamic Fanatics are ready to kill or die to put their fanaticism into action, and those on the net wanted others to do it for them.
Anyone notice how frantic people get over Movies, Game System Games, PC Games, TV and such and how it is destroying the moral fiber of this nation. How it is the cause for kids killing kids, or the ones out robbing people and such. Yet at the magical age of ( 17 to enter the Armed Services ) and 18 ( to be in action and War Zones )
the once fledgling child whom needed those peoples protection from the nasty evil media turn around and find nothing wrong with them going off to kill and die as long as it suites their purposes?
anyway...
To many things, to many people, to many religions, lots of Creating and not enough Evolutions, seems to me...
)...It is not only death insurance it is also better than Ajax cause it takes all stain out...
People can do as they like 6 days a week and on the 7 th bow their head and be free to walk out the door ready for another week of Do Unto others and then split...
Not all, but many and most of those in my life...
Once humanity can get past having to have someone to pass things on they do not wish to deal with and also accept the fact that they own their actions and no one else has that responsibility things might change. Until they it not only functions as death insurance, and co-dependency but at also has the value added feature of giving reason to go out and kill others in many instances...
I remember after 9/11 on the CNN chat and reading as all these people ranted about having to kill Muslims because they wanted to kill use first. That the whole religion must be destroyed and the people converted to Christianity for the worlds sake.
Kinda sat me back on my heals reading that crap, It also pretty much proved to me that we have just as many fanatics running around ( at least in type on the net where it is safe to be a fanatic ) as any other religion. But that the biggest difference is, the Islamic Fanatics are ready to kill or die to put their fanaticism into action, and those on the net wanted others to do it for them.
Anyone notice how frantic people get over Movies, Game System Games, PC Games, TV and such and how it is destroying the moral fiber of this nation. How it is the cause for kids killing kids, or the ones out robbing people and such. Yet at the magical age of ( 17 to enter the Armed Services ) and 18 ( to be in action and War Zones )
the once fledgling child whom needed those peoples protection from the nasty evil media turn around and find nothing wrong with them going off to kill and die as long as it suites their purposes?
anyway...
To many things, to many people, to many religions, lots of Creating and not enough Evolutions, seems to me...
joetheblow
Reply #244 Monday, September 15, 2003 4:33 AM
Reply #244 Monday, September 15, 2003 4:33 AM
So clearly after all these posts, Evolution is the way to go.
Ha-ha, Praise Him! You got to Believe!
I certainly learned a thing or two about some details of both topics. Books to read and sites to have a look at.
The path toward enlightenment continues...
Ha-ha, Praise Him! You got to Believe!
I certainly learned a thing or two about some details of both topics. Books to read and sites to have a look at.
The path toward enlightenment continues...
Doreen
Reply #247 Monday, September 15, 2003 7:52 AM
Reply #247 Monday, September 15, 2003 7:52 AM
paxx go away...
hehe
if there is no end we sure will be in trouble drinking, eating and breathing since our water, food and air are getting pretty messed up by us monkeys causing us to live much shorter lives...
Doreen see the life expectancy of humans one day being 5 years old...
hehe
if there is no end we sure will be in trouble drinking, eating and breathing since our water, food and air are getting pretty messed up by us monkeys causing us to live much shorter lives...
Doreen see the life expectancy of humans one day being 5 years old...
paxx
Reply #248 Monday, September 15, 2003 8:09 AM
Reply #248 Monday, September 15, 2003 8:09 AM
Oh, there probably will be and end to humain life eventually. But other life on earth will continue on. 
Say, I have a question to biblically savvy people. It's a question that hit me the first time I read the Bible. It's been a while so I forget exactly, but one thing intrigued me. The old Testament describes the hebrews as the chosen people, as the children of God, and he guides them to the promise land. But there is a part in the Bible where it describes other people. They are described as savages, cruel and with no values. These are not hebrews and not children of God. .... Where do they come from? Who made them?
Doreen
Reply #249 Monday, September 15, 2003 8:09 AM
Reply #249 Monday, September 15, 2003 8:09 AM
actually don't laugh too hard about that, I can't remember what grade but I had to write an paragraph about what I thought the future would be like and me being shy would not stand up in front of the class so the teacher read it outloud for me and the class laughed and in it, I said in the future we would be paying for pure air cuz the air would be so bad we would have to pay for it
and I seen a shop over here a couple years back that ppl are going into to pay for pure oxygen to breath for 15-20 or so mins on their lunch hours to rejuvenate their minds and body during their work days at lunch time... weird huh? (insert twilight music here)
and I seen a shop over here a couple years back that ppl are going into to pay for pure oxygen to breath for 15-20 or so mins on their lunch hours to rejuvenate their minds and body during their work days at lunch time... weird huh? (insert twilight music here)
Doreen
Reply #250 Monday, September 15, 2003 8:31 AM
Reply #250 Monday, September 15, 2003 8:31 AM
Hmm I don't know since I am not Bible savvy (I've only skimmed over the Bible) I never really read much of any books cuz I cannot stay still behind them I'm too distracted but sounds like just ppl that turned their face away from God?
Doreen
Reply #251 Monday, September 15, 2003 8:33 AM
Reply #251 Monday, September 15, 2003 8:33 AM
btw paxxy I have a question for you? how do you think if us living humans eventually die off on earth and their is no clean air, food or water left to sustain life how do you suppose life will continue when their is nothing to sustain it left after we get done?
paxx
Reply #252 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:17 AM
Reply #252 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:17 AM
Doreen, I know you don't believe in evolution, but life on earth is pretty well "done". Other life forms don't or won't need the same air or water quality that we or other mamals do. Some viruses and bacterias can pretty much adapt to anything and will continue to live on. Many a couple of billion years later, another intelligent species will have evolved from these and rule the new earth.
Doreen
Reply #253 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:21 AM
Reply #253 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:21 AM
Doreen tries to picture walking slimmy bacteria in a couple billion years from now (glad I won't be here) 
IPlural
Reply #254 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:22 AM
Reply #254 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:22 AM
Life does not need humans to continue.
One thing that people forget it seems is that Human Beings are after all nothing more than animals.
One thing that people forget it seems is that Human Beings are after all nothing more than animals.
Doreen
Reply #255 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:28 AM
Reply #255 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:28 AM
really and then we just eat each other all day long how gross!
Doreen thinks of sushi for lunch
Doreen thinks of sushi for lunch
Doreen
Reply #256 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:31 AM
Reply #256 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:31 AM
you do know that ppl eat monkey brains right? so disgusting there also is a rare disease they get from eating that (we had a patient at our hospital once that came in w/ that and died)
Doreen was wondering what in the world was she doing eating monkey brains?
maybe she was mad at her sister?
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Doreen was wondering what in the world was she doing eating monkey brains?
maybe she was mad at her sister?
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Doreen
Reply #257 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:34 AM
Reply #257 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:34 AM
all joking aside I'm not sure of the thing behind that some ppl around the world do actually eat monkey brains (raw even) it is suppose to give them some kind of enlightment? I truly forgot the whole thing behind it but it is true (and it is true we had a patient brought into our facility from that disease she had went on vacation and tried this monkey brain thing and well she died)
Doreen
Reply #258 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:49 AM
Reply #258 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:49 AM
This is driving me nuts I cannot recall the name of this but what they do (I wanna say India, I think this is in India?)
anyways, they sit at this special table that has a carved out whole in the center the waiter brings in a live monkey they pull the table apart stick the monkey in the center and close the table exposing only his head each person at the table is then given a hammer they hammer this head whilst he is still alive until he dies (custom is that they who will eat the brains need to kill the monkey) when the monkey dies the waiter cuts the skull and serves each of the dinning party a peice of this raw monkey brain which they have to eat... (has something to do w/ enlightenment or special something or other they get from this cerermonial killing and eating of the monkey brains) but a famous Coroner which I deal w/ told me there is a strain of something that certain monkeys carry that if they get a monkey that has it, it is deadly to humans and that is what happen to this lady that came into our facility...
so sorry to upset any of you ppl that believe we are monkeys cuz that means ppl are possibly eating "your" family roots away! OMG!
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anyways, they sit at this special table that has a carved out whole in the center the waiter brings in a live monkey they pull the table apart stick the monkey in the center and close the table exposing only his head each person at the table is then given a hammer they hammer this head whilst he is still alive until he dies (custom is that they who will eat the brains need to kill the monkey) when the monkey dies the waiter cuts the skull and serves each of the dinning party a peice of this raw monkey brain which they have to eat... (has something to do w/ enlightenment or special something or other they get from this cerermonial killing and eating of the monkey brains) but a famous Coroner which I deal w/ told me there is a strain of something that certain monkeys carry that if they get a monkey that has it, it is deadly to humans and that is what happen to this lady that came into our facility...
so sorry to upset any of you ppl that believe we are monkeys cuz that means ppl are possibly eating "your" family roots away! OMG!
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Sugaree
Reply #259 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:52 AM
Reply #259 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:52 AM
I watched a show yrs ago where this monkeys head was in the center of a table (it was still alive) and these people each took turns hitting the monkey's head until they broke open it's skull and then they started eating its brains. >
How can people do that?
thanks for making that memory pop into my head, Dor
How can people do that?
thanks for making that memory pop into my head, Dor
Sugaree
Reply #260 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:55 AM You watched it too...
I think it was Faces of Death
Reply #260 Monday, September 15, 2003 9:55 AM
You watched it too...I think it was Faces of Death
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Reply #241 Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:06 PM
...lets not talk about the separation of church and state.
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