Creation vs. Evolution
Thursday, September 11, 2003 by grayhaze | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
To quote Phoebe from Friends: "I guess the real question is who put those fossils there and why?"
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Reply #2 Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:46 AM
Anyway, to answer Grayhaze's question, every other species on this planet evolved, what makes us so different? I also think Darwin had it correct and he only changed his views before he died because of all the flak he got for believing what he did...so he probably just changed his beliefs to give in to social pressure. The fact is we CAN'T and never will explain where we (the universe) came from, it is never ending...hard to fathom but that's just the way it is...
Reply #3 Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:49 AM
Q: if there is a god, why is there war, and evry day there die A LOT of people because they dont have food.
if there is a god, he (or she... dont let me get flamed for something THAT easy
) died a long time ago for me.
Reply #4 Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:51 AM
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Reply #6 Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:58 AM
I belive in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. There is no other explanation as why I have seen ill people healed before my eyes with the power of prayer and of the laying on of hands.
I also believe there is a Devil. How can Good exist without Evil? Unforantly The Evil One pulls the cloth over everyone's eyes. So some do not believe.
I believe we were created. But who is to say evolution did not play a role in that? After all, the Bible says our lives are to God but a blink of his eye. So when he created the Universe and Earth and Man, that could have taken years upon years. For all we know a year to God is a million years for us.
I really get mad when people say the earth or something from earth is millions of years old. I go by the Bible. If you count up all the years in the Good book, the earth is around 12000 to 15000 years old.
I guess it comes down to my faith. None of you here can deter me from my beliefs as a Christan, and never will.
Thanks for listening.
Reply #7 Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:59 AM
| Q: if there is a god, why is there war, and evry day there die A LOT of people because they dont have food. |
A: because man makes his own choices and has freewill.
Reply #8 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:03 AM
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Reply #11 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:17 AM
| I really get mad when people say the earth or something from earth is millions of years old. I go by the Bible. If you count up all the years in the Good book, the earth is around 12000 to 15000 years old. |
Kona, we dated Dinosaurs 65,000,000 years ago? How can you possibly believe such a thing?!
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Reply #13 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:29 AM
I think God gave us a paradise first, but we screwed it up not listening to his instructions and trying to do things our own way (as we usually do) so him being the good parent he is he said "I'll give you one more try" make your decision on your own though (cuz of course nobody likes to be forced into anything right?)
and from what I gather he will take his "good" children to Heaven
problem is we're all stuck over here w/ so much trouble to get into how in "this" world does he expect us to make it to Heaven to go be w/ him?
Reply #14 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:34 AM
Reply #15 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:40 AM
Thanks Kona...I needed a good laugh this morning
We will all know when this insignificant little existence is over
Which will be very soon 
Reply #16 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:40 AM
Religion is not Science just as Creation does not equate Evolution the models do not mix.
One has evidence you can hold in your hand and the other has, what, a book of Myth and Mythology?
anyway...
won't go there any further...
Politics I can just allow myself to take part in, but religion is one best kept to myself.
Reply #17 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:43 AM
The battle lines have been drawn, and the enemy appears to be winning.
Many Christians who claim to believe the Bible seem willing to allow modern scientific theories to replace the Genesis account of creation.
But that compromise is a dangerous one. Genesis 1-3 contains the foundation of every doctrine essential to the Christian faith. Discount or discard the creation account, and you’ve undermined the foundation of Christianity and the gospel.
In The Battle for the Beginning, John MacArthur explores the creation-evolution debate, and most important, walks you step by step through the Bible’s own account of the origin of the universe. Thoroughly researched, well documented, and easy to read, this new volume tackles the tough questions and equips you to face the battle being waged inside and outside the church.
John’s series The Battle for the Beginning points out many inconsistencies in the theory of evolution. So why do so many believe in it? What is the real reason?
The explosion in scientific exploration is revealing more about our universe than we’ve ever known. And with the evidence clearly “telling out the glory of God” (Psalm 19:1), we ought to be more certain than any of our forebears about the infinite power and wisdom of the Creator.
Science has uncovered whole wondrous worlds in nature that previous generations never knew existed. The more we see of creation, the more it reveals the order and the wisdom and the goodness of the One who designed it all and spoke it into existence.
But at the same time science is learning all of this, scientific theory is becoming increasingly atheistic. Incredibly, as the power, sophistication, and harmony of the universe come more and more to light, many modern scientists try all the more desperately to explain away the notion of a divine Creator who rules the universe. Why? Why do they suppose such an ordered, systematic creation is the result of mere chance?
Scripture has the answer. Romans one informs us that unbelievers will devise systems of thought to suppress the truth about God from their consciences.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools. (Romans 1:18-22)
When men and women refuse God, they become enslaved to sin, enveloped in darkness, entrapped by futility. Forsaking God, they forsake truth, light, and eternal life. And so evolutionary atheism is nothing more than a product of their futile speculation, a weak attempt to deafen the din of an accusing conscience.
What resources did John consult when he preached his series The Battle for the Beginning?
A number of listeners have asked this question. We were curious to know too, so we did some research. Here’s what we found:
A Commentary on the Book of Genesis, Part One, From Adam to Noah, by Umberto Cassuto (Magnes Press, Hebrew University: Jerusalem, 1978).
Creation and Change, by Douglas F. Kelly (Christian Focus: Fearn, Ross-shire, U.K., 1997).
Creation Evangelism for the New Millennium, by Ken Ham (Master Books: Green Forest, Ark., 1999).
The Creation of Life, by A. E. Wilder-Smith (The World for Today: Costa Mesa, Cal., 1970).
Darwin on Trial, by Philip Johnson (InterVarsity: Downers Grove, Ill., 1993).
Genesis for Today, by Andy McIntosh (Day One: Epsom, England, 1997).
The Genesis Record, by Henry M. Morris (Creation Life: San Diego, 1976).
In the Beginning, by Walt Brown (Center for Scientific Creation: Phoenix) 1995.
It’s A Young World After All, by Paul D. Ackerman (Baker: Grand Rapids, 1986).
The Long War Against God, by Henry M. Morris (Baker, Grand Rapids, 1989).
Reason in the Balance, by Philip Johnson (InterVarsity: Downers Grove, Ill., 1995).
The Scientific Alternative to Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory, by A. E. Wilder-Smith (The World for Today: Costa Mesa, Cal., 1987).
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Reply #18 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:53 AM
In Genesis there's a story of creation, including the creation of man. The original Hebrew Bible says the Elohim (gods, plural) made man in "their" likeness. This has bothered everyone for millennia since the Nicean Council was clear that the interpretation was to be that "God" not "the gods" created man. In the last few decades several archaeological finds have added to what we know of this story. Much of Biblical history was considered myth by scholars (just like most ancient texts) until many of the cities mentioned in the Old Testament were discovered to be real.
The really astounding discovery was the Sumerian culture unearthed in what is now Iraq, in the Mesopotamian valley where it was always thought Eden existed. The Sumerian's culture peaked around 6,000 years ago, a thousand years before our previous age for the dawn of civilization. They not only had very advanced mathematics, astronomy, social order/laws, building etc, they had writing. Printing even, using their cuneiform script they left tens of thousands of books and records, preserved on clay tablets or the copper cylinders used to make them.
The story of Genesis it turns out was handed down from the Sumerians. They had exactly the same story except for one difference, the Sumerian version had far more detail. The Sumerian culture was bequeathed to mankind from their masters, the Anunaki. The Anunaki, "those who from heaven came", were the people the Bible referred to as Elohim. It was the Anunaki, who had been on the Earth for 450,000 years mining gold and other minerals, who created man. They made man in their own likeness by taking existing hominids (Cro Magnon, Neanderthal?) and creating a hybrid, clone-like version using their own DNA. The story exactly follows the Biblical version, just adding a lot more details. After centuries of man serving the Anunaki in the mines and their farms the human species was granted their freedom and a culture, passed on by their creators.
The discovery of these texts which pre-date the Bible texts by 2,000 years has caused only a minor ripple across theological and academic circles. The reason being the 'scholars' mostly refuse to acknowledge them in spite of excellent translations and the continuity from Sumer through the Akadian and later Babylonian cultures. Sumer, although it was the earliest culture we know of, predating the Egyptian Pharoes by a thousand years, had a map of the solar system which included all the planets, including Pluto which we only discovered in the twentieth century. They describe Uranus and Neptune perfectly, a feat we couldn't do before the last several decades. Most intriguing of all, they numbered the planets starting from the outer one, Pluto. Earth was the 7th planet, Mars the 6th and so on - Pluto being the 1st planet.
The existence of these books has been an embarrassment to modern historians and theologians because they challenge almost all of our previously held beliefs about the rise of civilization. The Greeks for example had their pantheon of gods and their incredible culture which it now seems was not only heavily influenced, but probably descended from the Sumerians. The war in Iraq unfortunately saw the loss of thousands (almost all) of these records, most of which were not yet cataloged or translated. Mankind's origins and history remain puzzling to the world, shrouded in the debate between murky mythology and scientific observation and theory. The lack of an evolutionary step from primitive man to modern man still dogs the fight between creation and evolution. The Sumerian accounts of our early history are rich with answers to all the questions and explain with simple clarity the 'creation' of man to both the Biblical and evolution camps. We were created by the Elohim, just as the Bible said, and it was the evolutionary material of the Earth plus the DNA of the gods that was used in our creation.
The Anunaki worshiped a single God, a God of all creation. The humans that shared their world revered them as gods starting with the Babylonians. Previously, the Sumerians knew them as their masters, their rulers and their teachers, those who from heaven came.
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Reply #20 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:55 AM
| Thoroughly researched |
Really?
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also called cosmogonic myth philosophical and theological elaboration of the primal myth of creation within a religious community. The term myth here refers to the imaginative expression in narrative form of what is experienced or apprehended as basic reality (see also myth). The term creation refers to the beginning of things, whether by the will and act of a transcendent being, by emanation…
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