Creation vs. Evolution
Thursday, September 11, 2003 by grayhaze | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
To quote Phoebe from Friends: "I guess the real question is who put those fossils there and why?"
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Reply #22 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:01 AM
Do you have a recommended read for some of this? Very fascinating stuff
Reply #23 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:01 AM
He is a very jealous God China
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Reply #25 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:04 AM
I as well support the creation point of view. I think it is completely assenine that a student can be expeled from school for toting a bible, yet another is free to carry a smut magazine around with little more than a slap on the wrist as punishment.
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Although, I can agree with Hus on the religion issue. I believe in God, but I do not believe in "religion", as it has become nothing but political hypocrisy. (Look at the latest Catholic events)
Also, your timeline is skewed. If you examine the generations from Adam to Noah, you see that the average lifespan in the beginning was 900 years, however if my math is correct, Adam was still alive when Methusulah ( Noah's grandfather) was born. Total time from Adam to the flood was approx 1000 years. I would have to see more detail to see where you come up with only 15000 years.
Here is another one to think about.
If you see a star in the sky, that is only 1 light year away, you are seeing that star as it were 1 year ago... correct (since it takes that light 1 year to reach you eyes). Our planet is about 25,000 light years away from the edge of the milky way galaxy. Since we have seen objects outside the milky way, we could safely assume that the earth is at least 25,000 years old (assuming that the earth existed as long as the milky way galaxy, which would be true according to creation). The farthest known object, a quasar, is estimated at a distance of about 10 billion light years.
We don't even know what lies beyond that, because that light has not reached us yet.
So now, the question is, is it safe to assume that Adam existed 10 billion years ago?
This is doubtful, but God created man on the 6th day... and if God's timeline is as you say, then it is quite possible for 1 day, in the beginning, to have lasted for billions of years, during which time, some evolutionary processes were occuring.
In any event.. God started it... and God will finish it.
Reply #26 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:07 AM
It isn't that I believe in both, I do not know that making a distinction is paramount to anything other than debunking the oppsite.
Though I do admit dogma is what seems to be the key thing driving one side. Frankly if someone wants their child emursed in dogma, send them to a religious based school.
That is the reality behind the push to make Creation the accepted norm from what I can see from reading up on it and listening to those supporting it on the Idiotbox.
"If you teach in Evolution Public Schools you have to teach Creation"
But in order to teach Creation you have to teach dogma and religion.
My adult children made their own choice in beliefs and my daughter who is 8 will make her own.
Reply #27 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:13 AM
| If you see a star in the sky, that is only 1 light year away, you are seeing that star as it were 1 year ago... correct (since it takes that light 1 year to reach you eyes). Our planet is about 25,000 light years away from the edge of the milky way galaxy. Since we have seen objects outside the milky way, we could safely assume that the earth is at least 25,000 years old (assuming that the earth existed as long as the milky way galaxy, which would be true according to creation). The farthest known object, a quasar, is estimated at a distance of about 10 billion light years. We don't even know what lies beyond that, because that light has not reached us yet. So now, the question is, is it safe to assume that Adam existed 10 billion years ago? |
God created all do you doubt he could cause light to shine throught the galaxy instantaneously instead of mere man's decision on the speed of light years? God is outside of time and still beyond our understanding.
Reply #29 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:14 AM
Zodiaq~ -
Zacharia Sitchen is the most well known (and controversial) translator of Sumerian texts. He's writen about a dozen books which are the best researched works I've found. I'd recomend starting with either Genesis Revisited or the first book, The 12th Planet. Sitchen has done an unbelievable job of following the cultural influences around the world and through time, as well as providing extraordinary insight into the original writings. It's so compelling that it's addictive, I've read all his books except his latest which Alexandrie tells me is the best.
Jim Marrs' book Rule By Secrecy traces the lineage of kings and secret societies from the beginnings of the Anunaki's grant of kingship to mankind to the present, with some surprising revelations. He has a chapter that gives an excellent synopsis on our origins in Sumer.
Reply #30 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:17 AM
kona, I should try to forget the 12-15000 years, no offence but that isn't correct and thats a FACT
Reply #31 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:24 AM
Well, ok. A little more seriously...
I believe in the evolution. I believe life started on this planet from unicelular lifeforms (ameabas, virii, bacteries, etc.), that slowly evolved into all the living creatures we have today (and the ones that died). But my problem is there, at that point. How did life happen to start with? How did those unicelular lifeforms suddenly hatched out of nothing? That's where MY questions start. Was it God? Is Genesis a metaphore to describe how God put that sparkle of life that eventually eveolved into all animals including mankind? It's a possibility that I won't deny. Or is it extraterrestrials who "injected" on earth those primitive lifeforms as an experiment, to see how it would evolve in our environment? Again, not an impossible thought. Or maybe God is an extraterrestrial? Why not? Or again, maybe life just "happened". Or maybe those primitive organisms came from somewhere else. Maybe they were frozen on a meterorite that came from very far away. Earth then was completely covered with water, and our atmosphere was then almost inexistant. Maybe those micro-organisms then "thawed out" and multiplied, and eventually mutated into more complex creatures, starting a long chain that leads us to today's biosystem.
I tend to believe the latter, but I really don't know, just as nobody knows for sure either.
Reply #33 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:25 AM
History Channel, Science Channel, Civilization Channel, Discovery Channels all have very in depth presentations on such topics also...
Reply #34 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:31 AM
well from what I take as faith God is the "Alpha & Omega" he is the begining and the end...
I always think the harder that something looks the easier it really is "sometimes"
anyways I feel I know who/what God is, I just am a very disobedient daughter so I'm not sure I will make it to be w/ him...
Reply #35 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:31 AM
| God is outside of time and still beyond our understanding. |
I find that such a silly thing for thinking self aware beings to accept as being reality.
God is (fill in blank)!
How do you know?
Because someone said so.
Oh......
or...
I've got a BOOK!
wait...
No not a book THE BOOK!
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Reply #36 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:41 AM
so to know God is to have "Faith"
Reply #37 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:53 AM
| God is (fill in blank)! |
God is bigger than the boogy man
Bob: You were lying in your bed
You were feeling kind of sleepy
But you couldn't close your eyes because the room was getting creepy.
Larry: Were those eyeballs in the closet?
Was that Godzilla in the hall?
Bob: There was something big and hairy casting shadows on the wall.
Now your heart is beating like a drum
Your skin is getting clammy.
There's a hundred tiny monsters jumping right into your jammies!
Bob: What are going to do?
Junior: I'm going to call the police!
Bob: No! You don't need to do anything!
Junior: What? Why?
Bob: Because ...
Bob: God is bigger than the boogie man
He's bigger than Godzilla, or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is bigger than the boogie man
And He's watching out for you and me.
Junior: So, when I'm lying in my bed
And the furniture starts creeping
I'll just laugh and say, "Hey, cut that out!"
And get back to my sleeping
'Cause I know that God's the biggest
And He's watching all the while.
So, when I get scared I'll think of Him
And close my eyes and smile!
All: God is bigger than the boogie man
He's bigger than Godzilla, or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is bigger than the boogie man
And He's watching out for you and me.
Monster #1: So, are you frightened?
Junior: No, not really.
Monster #2: Are you worried?
Junior: Not a bit.
I know what ever's gonna happen,
That God can handle it.
Frankencelery: I'm sorry that I scared you when you saw me on TV.
Junior: Well that's okay,
'Cuz now I know that God is taking care of me!
All: God is bigger than the boogie man
He's bigger than Godzilla, or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is bigger than the boogie man
And He's watching out for you and me.
Junior: One more time!
All: God is bigger than the boogie man
He's bigger than Godzilla, or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is bigger than the boogie man
And He's watching out for you and me.
Monster #1: Watchin' ...
Monster #2: Watchin' ...
Monster #3: Watchin' ...
Junior: Out for you and me! Yeah!
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Reply #38 Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:57 AM
This is where I get confused. I have never read concrete proof ANYWHERE. Could someone steer me to this concrete proof, I would love to see it.
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Reply #21 Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:56 AM