Freedom of opnion vs. copyright in the Netherlands.
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 by MadIce | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
A few years ago someone quoted "copyrighted" work of Scientology on the net in the Netherlands. After 8 years there is a verdict and the freedom of opnion won.
Interesting in this case is that ISPs cannot be hold responsible for the contents of a web site. They just provide the medium, not the contents. Also a hyperlink which points to material that infringes upon a copyright is now ruled not to be the responsibility of the ISPs.
http://www.xs4all.nl/uk/news/overview/scientology3.html
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Interesting in this case is that ISPs cannot be hold responsible for the contents of a web site. They just provide the medium, not the contents. Also a hyperlink which points to material that infringes upon a copyright is now ruled not to be the responsibility of the ISPs.
http://www.xs4all.nl/uk/news/overview/scientology3.html
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MadIce
Reply #2 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:22 AM
Reply #2 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:22 AM
Dutch documents are available at http://www.xs4all.nl/nieuws/overzicht/scientology3.html .
This case was very much an international case. Afterall parties came from the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK and the USA. However I doubt if it will have any impact on countries outside the Netherlands. (And it also helps if you can read a bit of German).
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This case was very much an international case. Afterall parties came from the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK and the USA. However I doubt if it will have any impact on countries outside the Netherlands. (And it also helps if you can read a bit of German).
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IPlural
Reply #3 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:56 AM
Reply #3 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:56 AM
The Alien Cult got a bite out of it here in Clearwater over court costs on the Macpherson case.
There will not be any criminal charges from what it looks like but they are going to get popped hard in the Civil Suit whic I hope drains every last penny out of their coffers.
There will not be any criminal charges from what it looks like but they are going to get popped hard in the Civil Suit whic I hope drains every last penny out of their coffers.
windKnot
Reply #4 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:20 AM
Reply #4 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:20 AM
Maybe they will have to sell all the real estate they have acquired, as I have watched them buy up Clearwater for the last 25 years. It would be nice to have the city back. 
MadIce
Reply #5 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:04 AM
Reply #5 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:04 AM
Well, the Scientology case was not primarily about fighting a cult. The emphasis was on freedom of opnion, protection of users and the role of ISPs in web site content and hyperlinks.
Doreen
Reply #6 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM
Reply #6 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM
argh! Matt! I cannot read dutchje (me must learn more then mazzel)
Styl-X Design
Reply #7 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:17 AM
very good doreen, mazzel is a start
dutch is easy.... really
Reply #7 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:17 AM
very good doreen, mazzel is a start dutch is easy.... really
Doreen
Reply #8 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:33 AM
Reply #8 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:33 AM
well if there was one lingo I would "try" to learn it would be dutch cuz I like the way it "looks" though I've never heard it hehe
craeonics
Reply #9 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:03 AM
Reply #9 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:03 AM
The case in short: years ago certain "top secret" Scientology documents were put online. Scientology went after the ones putting it online, forcing them to take it down. In response a Dutch writer/journalist/whatever put the documents up on her site. Ofcourse, Scientology was not pleased and the big sue-campaign began. Later, she replaced the actual works with quotes (something that might have had an impact on the final verdict).
Doreen
Reply #11 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:12 AM
Reply #11 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:12 AM
well then you definetely summed that book up in 50 words or less! hehe
btw what does een mean?
btw what does een mean?
Doreen
Reply #12 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:13 AM
Reply #12 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:13 AM
nevermind I just got in trouble (took them one day to get pissed at me.
Doreen gets to work *sigh*
Doreen gets to work *sigh*
MadIce
Reply #13 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:56 PM
Reply #13 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:56 PM
Doreen, you could have read the english version. First link.
Doreen
Reply #14 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:45 PM
Reply #14 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:45 PM
hehe Matt! how did I miss that?
a. the lil .gif globe image did not load next to link
b. I need to change my contacts
c. I'm tired
d. me stupid
e. all of the above? hehe
Thanks sorry I really did not notice that first link
a. the lil .gif globe image did not load next to link
b. I need to change my contacts
c. I'm tired
d. me stupid
e. all of the above? hehe
Thanks sorry I really did not notice that first link
craeonics
Reply #15 Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:46 AM
Reply #15 Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:46 AM
Option 'e', definitely. Anyhow, 'een' means 'one' or 'a', depending on the context.
Doreen
Reply #16 Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:19 AM
Reply #16 Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:19 AM
hehe dutchy well maybe more (d) most the time
anyways, thank you for explaining that, everyone calls me Dor in rl and everytime I see your lingo I see "door and een" all over the place, can I bug you for what "door" means? last translation, I don't trust the online translators they come back w/ false stuff.
anyways, thank you for explaining that, everyone calls me Dor in rl and everytime I see your lingo I see "door and een" all over the place, can I bug you for what "door" means? last translation, I don't trust the online translators they come back w/ false stuff.
Doreen
Reply #17 Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:28 AM
Reply #17 Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:28 AM
by? does it mean "by" hehe
sorry but I'm curious everytime I see your lingo I see my name all over it... hehe!
depending what online translator I try I get diff stuff but by is coming up?
sorry but I'm curious everytime I see your lingo I see my name all over it... hehe!
depending what online translator I try I get diff stuff but by is coming up?
craeonics
Reply #18 Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:00 PM
Reply #18 Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:00 PM
Correct, 'door' means '(done) by', but also 'through'.
'gemaakt door mij' - made by me
'loop door de deur' - walk through the door
Seems we're hijacking Mad's thread here.
'gemaakt door mij' - made by me
'loop door de deur' - walk through the door
Seems we're hijacking Mad's thread here.
Doreen
Reply #19 Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:18 PM
Reply #19 Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:18 PM
yes (sorry Matt)
just was curious since those words seem to be used alot such as "the" and "and" in English and those two always jump out at me! hehe
(Thank you dutchy)
just was curious since those words seem to be used alot such as "the" and "and" in English and those two always jump out at me! hehe
(Thank you dutchy)
Styl-X Design
Reply #20 Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:07 PM
Reply #20 Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:07 PM
basis gramatica craeonics (basic grammer)
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Reply #1 Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:33 AM
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