This RIAA thing is getting scary...
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 by AlphaDraco | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Ok, so the RIAA is filing lawsuites against people with as few as 5 downloaded songs at $750-$150,000 per song!?! I wonder what will happen after they bankrupt a few parents.... And, of course, it turns out that my ISP is one of the only ones NOT fighting to keep the names of the swappers! I guess it works for the RIAA, but I feel for the people that they attack... This has gone too far.
(By the way, hi...been away for a while.)
(By the way, hi...been away for a while.)
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messybuu
Reply #62 Friday, August 1, 2003 4:32 PM
Reply #62 Friday, August 1, 2003 4:32 PM
Since when is the activities on the Internet considered one's home? Since when is KaZaA considered somebody's home? If KaZaA is said to be one's home, which cannot be entered without a warrant, then the rest of the Internet should be considered the same way, because I don't see how KaZaA is any different from a site. Therefore, people should have the right to post anything illegal, including child pornography, anywhere on the Internet because unless the police will be able obtain a search warrant, it'd be wrong to stop them from doing something on the Internet (i.e. their home).
AlphaDraco
Reply #63 Friday, August 1, 2003 5:21 PM
Reply #63 Friday, August 1, 2003 5:21 PM
Whoa, hold up people...I'm kinda confused here. Since when should music be free? Actors use their talent in (sorta) the same way musicians do. DOes that mean movies should be free too? Should a player on a sports team not get paid because the enjoyment of watching the sport "should be free"? No. You CANNOT make excuses for piracy of music by yelling "right to privacy", "music should be free", or "Constitutional rights". Piracy is illegal. NOBODY can tell me otherwise. You're not downloading music because of some conspiracy to make you pay more than you should. You're downloading music because it's quick, easy, and FREE. It's also wrong. Now that that's out of the way, the RIAA's making a huge mistake in the overall way they're handling the problem. Rather than trying to hold on to "traditional" CD sales ar record stores, they should adapt and overcome so that people can get the music just as quickly and easily, but not for free. Will the RIAA ever stop piracy? Not in a million years. Can they reduce it by giving the people that download an alternative? YES! Will sueing the pants off of potential customers help anything? Take a guess. Just like the Betamax, the RIAA has an oppurtunity to greatly increase their revenue in the end, if they'd just adapt instead of clutching to their old ways.
In short: Piracy is illegal and nobody has an excuse, but the RIAA is handling this WAY wrong.
In short: Piracy is illegal and nobody has an excuse, but the RIAA is handling this WAY wrong.
Iben
Reply #64 Friday, August 1, 2003 7:38 PM
Reply #64 Friday, August 1, 2003 7:38 PM
Who said you can get music for free?
You must first buy a computer,mine was not cheap.
Then you need to pay the electric bill,and for me the phone bill.
Then you pay the internet provider.
Then you spend a lot of you free time searching and downloading,how much is your time worth?
You get a song who knows what it is or how it will sound until you listen to it.
Mostly file sharing is good for getting songs that are not even available any more.
By the time your done it would have been less expensive to buy the thing at a store if you could find it.
Free they say, nothing is free.
I think the problem today with music is it ain't what it used to be.
You must first buy a computer,mine was not cheap.
Then you need to pay the electric bill,and for me the phone bill.
Then you pay the internet provider.
Then you spend a lot of you free time searching and downloading,how much is your time worth?
You get a song who knows what it is or how it will sound until you listen to it.
Mostly file sharing is good for getting songs that are not even available any more.
By the time your done it would have been less expensive to buy the thing at a store if you could find it.
Free they say, nothing is free.
I think the problem today with music is it ain't what it used to be.
messybuu
Reply #65 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:13 PM
What should music be?
Reply #65 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:13 PM
| I think the problem today with music is it ain't what it used to be. |
What should music be?
messybuu
Reply #67 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:26 PM
Reply #67 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:26 PM
I might be mistaken, but I think there's music being released presently that is played with real instruments.
Bangkokboy
Reply #70 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:32 PM
Reply #70 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:32 PM
re fuel cells and batteries - fuel cells may indeed hurt the bottom line of battery purveyors someday - particularly if the fuel cell purveyors steal the fuel to put in the fuel cells, and then distribute them for free. 
new technologies have always opened the way for larceny in forms that have never been possible before. and the theft is usually "legal" at first due to a lack of applicable law, which has to play catchup.
i also have trouble with the concept that in an arena where theft is the issue, the burden is thrown onto the victim to prove in court that the theft actually did tangible damage to him, otherwise it's not rally a theft. what planet did this form of logic come from?
new technologies have always opened the way for larceny in forms that have never been possible before. and the theft is usually "legal" at first due to a lack of applicable law, which has to play catchup.
i also have trouble with the concept that in an arena where theft is the issue, the burden is thrown onto the victim to prove in court that the theft actually did tangible damage to him, otherwise it's not rally a theft. what planet did this form of logic come from?
Bangkokboy
Reply #71 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:36 PM
Reply #71 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:36 PM
i agree wholeheartedly that bankrupting and/or jailing randomly chosen john q. publics is the worst approach to the issue that i can think of. 
Iben
Reply #72 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:38 PM
Reply #72 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:38 PM
Buggy whips used to be a big item until the car.
Someone should have sued the car makers out of existence to save the Buggy whip industry.
Someone should have sued the car makers out of existence to save the Buggy whip industry.
Iben
Reply #73 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:48 PM
Reply #73 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:48 PM
The problem with chasing the music steelers is that you can't find them unless you brake the law.And violate everyone's privacy rights.
What the music industry should do is join the new game and compete,I think they could win if they were smart.
What the music industry should do is join the new game and compete,I think they could win if they were smart.
Bangkokboy
Reply #74 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:52 PM
iben - when the carmakers opened operations, they didn't go around and steal all the horses in the state to drum up more business.
Reply #74 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:52 PM
| Someone should have sued the car makers out of existence to save the Buggy whip industry |
iben - when the carmakers opened operations, they didn't go around and steal all the horses in the state to drum up more business.
Iben
Reply #75 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:56 PM
Reply #75 Friday, August 1, 2003 8:56 PM
It was meant to illustrate that times they are a changing.
joetheblow
Reply #76 Friday, August 1, 2003 9:43 PM
your kidding right?
Maybe I'm missing something... your not going to pay the artists for the song because you bought a computer?
Reply #76 Friday, August 1, 2003 9:43 PM
| #64 by Skinner Iben - 8/1/2003 7:38:12 PM Who said you can get music for free?You must first buy a computer,mine was not cheap.Then you need to pay the electric bill,and for me the phone bill.Then you pay the internet provider.Then you spend a lot of you free time searching and downloading,how much is your time worth?You get a song who knows what it is or how it will sound until you listen to it.Mostly file sharing is good for getting songs that are not even available any more.By the time your done it would have been less expensive to buy the thing at a store if you could find it.Free they say, nothing is free.I think the problem today with music is it ain't what it used to be. |
your kidding right?
Maybe I'm missing something... your not going to pay the artists for the song because you bought a computer?
joetheblow
Reply #77 Friday, August 1, 2003 9:55 PM
I don't understand (well I do but lets not get into that) why the artist should not be paid for making a work.
The RIAA methods are sucky at best, but so say sharing mutlipul file to hundereds of people is not stealing is ludacris... like the rapper.
I can understand 2 or 3 copies made but allowing anyone to just copy your bought music or music you found somewhere is pretty out there.
I would agree that the music indrustry neeed a new business model. The P2P thing could make the artist allot of money, help new artists and new record labels and support the Music idnrustry and distribution. Make it say your pay to get on and once your on you can share all the music files you want with others, create communities, and everything. Get new artists stuff, hear new music releases.
Cool idea huh? Its different from Apple's because you are sharing files with others. You pay to get on and the money goes to all artists who are registered for a percentage in royalties and support distubution and other music thingies
Would you pay 100 dollars a year for all music, vidoes and what ever anybody put on thier computer? Better than going to jail and paying a fine.
(Boy, I wish I had 10 mil to start that business up. I would.)
Reply #77 Friday, August 1, 2003 9:55 PM
I don't understand (well I do but lets not get into that) why the artist should not be paid for making a work.
The RIAA methods are sucky at best, but so say sharing mutlipul file to hundereds of people is not stealing is ludacris... like the rapper.
I can understand 2 or 3 copies made but allowing anyone to just copy your bought music or music you found somewhere is pretty out there.
I would agree that the music indrustry neeed a new business model. The P2P thing could make the artist allot of money, help new artists and new record labels and support the Music idnrustry and distribution. Make it say your pay to get on and once your on you can share all the music files you want with others, create communities, and everything. Get new artists stuff, hear new music releases.
Cool idea huh? Its different from Apple's because you are sharing files with others. You pay to get on and the money goes to all artists who are registered for a percentage in royalties and support distubution and other music thingies
Would you pay 100 dollars a year for all music, vidoes and what ever anybody put on thier computer? Better than going to jail and paying a fine.
(Boy, I wish I had 10 mil to start that business up. I would.)
AlphaDraco
Reply #78 Friday, August 1, 2003 10:48 PM
Umm, how do you figure that finding the swappers is illegal? And As for privacy rights, its not right for them to be able to get the names/addresses of swappers without even proving they did anything wrong...
Reply #78 Friday, August 1, 2003 10:48 PM
| The problem with chasing the music steelers is that you can't find them unless you brake the law.And violate everyone's privacy rights. |
Umm, how do you figure that finding the swappers is illegal? And As for privacy rights, its not right for them to be able to get the names/addresses of swappers without even proving they did anything wrong...
Anthony R
Reply #79 Friday, August 1, 2003 11:05 PM
Reply #79 Friday, August 1, 2003 11:05 PM
It is kind of hard to believe a bunch of people would feel they need to protect a corrupt outdated industry whose strong-arm tactics are modeled after the Black Hand in theory and application.
circusbred
Reply #80 Friday, August 1, 2003 11:48 PM
Reply #80 Friday, August 1, 2003 11:48 PM
Ill start with:
There's no doubt that downloading copyrighted material is illegal, anyone who says otherwise is dillusional. However, just because it is illegal, and there are penalties won't stop people from doing it.
The question is how we will handle it. Should "wage on a war" on file sharing as we have on countless other social deficiencies such as the war on crime, the war on drugs and other various other programs which only succeed in costing taxpayers billions and putting people in prison.
Yes!!! That's exactly what we should do, we ought to put the 60 million americans who use file-sharing programs in prison. Our prison population isn't large enough yet, we ought to put 20%+ of the population in there. But wait! That's not enough yet, let's finacially ruin them as well. Oh yeah and you 'innocent' folk, expect your taxes to at least triple.
End with:
The majority of people realize that technology currently allows the individual to produce, record, mix and distribute their own music. All it takes is a little bit of hardware, some software and a CD burner, at a total cost under $500 (if you shop wisely).
There is no real need for large record companies any longer, and they know this. (well except for stealing money out of the artists hands. If you're a large corporate entity, screwing people over is always a good way to go it seems of late)
Good night.
PS: I have not bought a single CD produced by a major record label since 1999 and not because I download it, I simply don't listen to that complete and utter garbage and I know many other people who think and have done the same. Drop in sales may partially be due to file-sharing, however a large portion of former customers see no appeal in most music which has been put out there in the past couple of years.
There's no doubt that downloading copyrighted material is illegal, anyone who says otherwise is dillusional. However, just because it is illegal, and there are penalties won't stop people from doing it.
The question is how we will handle it. Should "wage on a war" on file sharing as we have on countless other social deficiencies such as the war on crime, the war on drugs and other various other programs which only succeed in costing taxpayers billions and putting people in prison.
Yes!!! That's exactly what we should do, we ought to put the 60 million americans who use file-sharing programs in prison. Our prison population isn't large enough yet, we ought to put 20%+ of the population in there. But wait! That's not enough yet, let's finacially ruin them as well. Oh yeah and you 'innocent' folk, expect your taxes to at least triple.
End with:
The majority of people realize that technology currently allows the individual to produce, record, mix and distribute their own music. All it takes is a little bit of hardware, some software and a CD burner, at a total cost under $500 (if you shop wisely).
There is no real need for large record companies any longer, and they know this. (well except for stealing money out of the artists hands. If you're a large corporate entity, screwing people over is always a good way to go it seems of late)
Good night.
PS: I have not bought a single CD produced by a major record label since 1999 and not because I download it, I simply don't listen to that complete and utter garbage and I know many other people who think and have done the same. Drop in sales may partially be due to file-sharing, however a large portion of former customers see no appeal in most music which has been put out there in the past couple of years.
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Reply #61 Friday, August 1, 2003 2:29 PM
This is kind of out of the realm of the topic but that’s the direction it went so let’s see where we can go with it. Advancements in technology, energy or entertainment are always going to cut into someone’s bottom line and maybe that is the reason why things advance so slowly.
Look at batteries …why on gods name are these horrible designs still being used when the concept of batteries were long ago replaces by the fuel cell because batteries were deemed inadequate, when man went to the moon.
What about fossil fuel? are ways really being worked on to replace this source of energy…it is debatable that it will ever happen because a lot of peoples bottom line is dependant on the internal combustion engine….from OPEC to all the parts producers to the machinists, mechanics, laborers, the transit of crude ect ect…think of all the things that would have to turn over…use your imagination…some will rise many will fall.
One thing is certain is new technology cannot be suppressed forever….as turbulent as advancement is, it is probably more dangerous not allow for advancement. Much like an FBI director who found computers useless...so much so that he would not keep one in his office…while enemy combatants are using encryption technologies and communicating without concern of detection, discussing how they were going to destroy America with a medium deemed useless. Eventually those who do not allow the advance fall just as those who thought the internet was a useless and passing fancy…or a fad…so far history is not shining favorably on those who suppress new ideas.