YZ Dock yanked,,
Sunday, June 29, 2003 by brazil | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Oh no,,,and there has been rumbles and mumbles other places about why and when StarDock OD and Moby Dock might be getting the same cease and desist letter.This can't be happening could it??
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IPlural
Reply #22 Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:28 PM
Reply #22 Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:28 PM
As I mentioned before, someone connected to either Stardock and/or WinCustomize would/will always inform people of what is taking place with any of the product/applications be it commercial/shareware/freeware within reason.
The one thing that is really different with SD and WinC is they ask for input, inform people of the future and always take the end user (all of us) into consideration within reason. I do not know for sure if official comments will be made in this post. But, I wouldn't expect one, because it is all supposition revolving around someone elses application, hence not within reason, when weighing commenting upon because of possible tangents arising.
If there was an issue, it would be in the news section of this site, which is why it pays to read the Site News
The one thing that is really different with SD and WinC is they ask for input, inform people of the future and always take the end user (all of us) into consideration within reason. I do not know for sure if official comments will be made in this post. But, I wouldn't expect one, because it is all supposition revolving around someone elses application, hence not within reason, when weighing commenting upon because of possible tangents arising.
If there was an issue, it would be in the news section of this site, which is why it pays to read the Site News
Tech-Cat
Reply #23 Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:11 PM
Reply #23 Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:11 PM
I don't think Stardock is involved in any kind of conspiracy. Unlike other companies, Stardock is very much a company for the people. How many companies other than Stardock can you name where you can actually contact the CEO directly rather than being given the run around with a bunch of secretaries and assistants? How voice is very much heard here.
I am worried that Apple may be planning to go after Stardock for making ObjectDock.
I am worried that Apple may be planning to go after Stardock for making ObjectDock.
c242
Reply #24 Monday, June 30, 2003 6:29 AM
Reply #24 Monday, June 30, 2003 6:29 AM
http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=12217&category=software 
Frogboy
Reply #25 Monday, June 30, 2003 7:45 AM
Reply #25 Monday, June 30, 2003 7:45 AM
Considering Mobydock hasn't gotten a letter from Apple (or at least said so) the conspiracy people are showing their true biases if they think Stardock had something to do with it.
Apple sends us letters quite regularly, btw, But we take a different view (since we have lawyers). We respond with requests for them to precise, written examples of what they object to so that we can modify our software or website or whatever.
In the case of a dock, Apple, IMO, would need to be very explicit as to what they object to. I have read through on many occasions Apple's patent on their dock (or bookshelf). The docks don't include any copyrighted images. Icon zoomers? DesktopX had them long ago and before DesktopX VDE had things like that and before that other programs. Taskbar and launcher? The Windows Start bar.
In fact, look at this screenshot:
https://www.stardock.com/products/od20/od20-3.gif
Look at the BOTTOM of it. This is Object Desktop, released in 1995. While it's not the dock, you can see the general concept even then. Tasks and program launching. Put in zoomers and you have ObjectDock/yZDock/Mobydock.
Apple sends us letters quite regularly, btw, But we take a different view (since we have lawyers). We respond with requests for them to precise, written examples of what they object to so that we can modify our software or website or whatever.
In the case of a dock, Apple, IMO, would need to be very explicit as to what they object to. I have read through on many occasions Apple's patent on their dock (or bookshelf). The docks don't include any copyrighted images. Icon zoomers? DesktopX had them long ago and before DesktopX VDE had things like that and before that other programs. Taskbar and launcher? The Windows Start bar.
In fact, look at this screenshot:
https://www.stardock.com/products/od20/od20-3.gif
Look at the BOTTOM of it. This is Object Desktop, released in 1995. While it's not the dock, you can see the general concept even then. Tasks and program launching. Put in zoomers and you have ObjectDock/yZDock/Mobydock.
_02
Reply #26 Monday, June 30, 2003 7:47 AM
Reply #26 Monday, June 30, 2003 7:47 AM
Don't worry ppl..... Brad Wardell is a pretty smart guy. The rest of the Stardock crew pretty much fall into the same category as well.
Stardock and WC will likely be around for a long time to come, in spite of the fact that these things tend to spread and pull every one in.
Be nice if Stardock came up with its own real working OS though. Then the big boys could kiss a lot of PPL goodbye.
Stardock and WC will likely be around for a long time to come, in spite of the fact that these things tend to spread and pull every one in.
Be nice if Stardock came up with its own real working OS though. Then the big boys could kiss a lot of PPL goodbye.
Koasati
Reply #30 Monday, June 30, 2003 8:14 AM
Reply #30 Monday, June 30, 2003 8:14 AM
| thx.. what about imho? |
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=IMHO&Find=Find
Koasati
Reply #32 Monday, June 30, 2003 2:05 PM
Reply #32 Monday, June 30, 2003 2:05 PM
Obviously freegoo didn't bother to click the link up there............. with that link, you can find out what most acromyms mean.. 
werewolf
Reply #33 Monday, June 30, 2003 2:54 PM
Reply #33 Monday, June 30, 2003 2:54 PM
except that freegoo was explaining IMHO not asking about it.
not asking about it.
Koasati
Reply #34 Monday, June 30, 2003 5:10 PM
Reply #34 Monday, June 30, 2003 5:10 PM
Well, so was I....
We could explain to kona every acronym, each time he asked, but I decided to give him a "fishing pole"......
mrbiotech
Reply #37 Monday, June 30, 2003 9:34 PM What's really interesting is that Apple wasn't the one that sent the email, it was an independent Japanese law firm. Apple has a law staff of its own, not small in capability. Aquanet posted a scanned image of what an official Apple "cease & desist" letter" looks like, and it's sent by FedEx, not some server/router. Not implicating anyone, but it shows there's more occurring than what's presented.
Reply #37 Monday, June 30, 2003 9:34 PM
What's really interesting is that Apple wasn't the one that sent the email, it was an independent Japanese law firm. Apple has a law staff of its own, not small in capability. Aquanet posted a scanned image of what an official Apple "cease & desist" letter" looks like, and it's sent by FedEx, not some server/router. Not implicating anyone, but it shows there's more occurring than what's presented.
brazil
Reply #39 Monday, June 30, 2003 10:18 PM
Reply #39 Monday, June 30, 2003 10:18 PM
Good work mrb,it of course would be the preferred/less involved appearing approach by Apple,,to alienate as few possible customers in the future? I dunno,,just a thought.I think Yz Dock should be able to do whatever they want personally.I have no problem with free choices about free programs/software.I feel their pain,,Geez,if they did the same thing to OD right now I would be very angry.As I said in an earlier post,,I was hoping it would be a bad Internet hoax or bad joke.The delivery particulars were troublesome for me from the get go,,but it sure was enough to get YZ'S attention.As IP and you,MRb pointed out,there seems to be something a bit strange about this one.
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Reply #21 Sunday, June 29, 2003 6:13 AM