Download copyright music = Fry your pc
Wednesday, June 18, 2003 by The DJ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Illegally download copyright music from the Internet once, or even twice, and you get a warning. Do it a third time, and your computer gets destroyed.
That's the suggestion made by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at a Tuesday hearing on copyright abuse, reflecting a growing frustration in Congress over failure of the technology and entertainment industries to protect copyrights in a digital age.
The surprise statement by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, that he favors developing technology to remotely destroy computers used for illegal downloads represents a dramatic escalation in the increasingly contentious rhetoric over pirated music.
I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights.
If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions"
Full story
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/
That's the suggestion made by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at a Tuesday hearing on copyright abuse, reflecting a growing frustration in Congress over failure of the technology and entertainment industries to protect copyrights in a digital age.
The surprise statement by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, that he favors developing technology to remotely destroy computers used for illegal downloads represents a dramatic escalation in the increasingly contentious rhetoric over pirated music.
I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights.
If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions"
Full story
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/
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Doomgaze
Reply #22 Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:47 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:47 PM
"3y3 w1ll 0wnz u!@#!@!!!"
do it right now
"k"
well?
"stfu..."
do it right now
"k"
well?
"stfu..."
Wommers
Reply #23 Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:43 AM
Reply #23 Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:43 AM
[Message Edited to the 10th Power] i'm sorry to everyone who might be offended but these damn politicians need a swift kick in the head and other parts of their anatomy for even thinking of frying 'we the peoples' computers over this issue. but sadly, it is just a glimpse of things to come. imo. now where's that damn ammo!!!!
Tech-Cat
Reply #24 Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:57 AM
Reply #24 Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:57 AM
Why don't these politicians focus on more serious internet crimes such as child pornography.
DarkMist
Reply #26 Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:58 AM
Reply #26 Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:58 AM
Kona yes you can do what you said but people will still be using Kazaa so your contradicting yourself...it isn't as easy as that as people are still using it.
DarkMist
Reply #28 Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:18 AM
Reply #28 Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:18 AM
By all means yes, but it will never be stamped out
JDavidHarper
Reply #29 Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:47 AM
Reply #29 Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:47 AM
One analogy that I've seen on other websites about this that I like: It's like having a car that will warn you twice if you go over the speed limit, then blow up.
Doreen
Reply #30 Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:56 AM
Reply #30 Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:56 AM
oh brother now I've heard it all... wellll I think they may be busy little bees.
KarmaGirl
Reply #31 Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:58 AM
Reply #31 Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:58 AM
I wouldn't worry about it. I don't see how they could possibly implement
it, our how there would not be *many* business rallying against this. Can
you imagine an employee getting a work machine blown away because they somehow
downloaded pirated music? I'd like to see how anyone can justify
this. As far as I know, it is still illegal to take these types of
actions. You can destroy a computer due to piracy. (If it was legal,
don't you think that every software company in the world would be uploading
cracked software that would wipe your computer?) Don't see this ever
becoming reality. Can you imagine your computer being hosed because your
13 year old (who is not an adult, and can not be legally considered an adult)
downloaded pirated music? I don't think so....
it, our how there would not be *many* business rallying against this. Can
you imagine an employee getting a work machine blown away because they somehow
downloaded pirated music? I'd like to see how anyone can justify
this. As far as I know, it is still illegal to take these types of
actions. You can destroy a computer due to piracy. (If it was legal,
don't you think that every software company in the world would be uploading
cracked software that would wipe your computer?) Don't see this ever
becoming reality. Can you imagine your computer being hosed because your
13 year old (who is not an adult, and can not be legally considered an adult)
downloaded pirated music? I don't think so....
jfike
Reply #32 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:01 AM
Reply #32 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:01 AM
If this ever gets implemented, I would take one of my old useless computers and illegally download copyrighted music from the Internet, three times. Then, when my useless computer "blows up", I can get my name on the class action lawsuit. Sounds like fun! 
T-Man
Reply #33 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:12 AM
Reply #33 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:12 AM
This is also goes directly against our constitution where you are innocent until proven guilty. They are trying to implement a directly guilty verdict with an immediate punishment.
A more appropriate step would be for an automated notification system that informs authorities if you are downloading/using illegal copyrighted material. But even that idea opens up a can of worms.
mooshoo
Reply #34 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:12 AM
Reply #34 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:12 AM
lol... it's the democrats that usualy come up with crap like this. It will never go through anyways, there are still a few decent people left in politics.
Michael Ficarra
Reply #35 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:22 AM
Reply #35 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:22 AM
But wouldn't you DL only mpegs mp3s or wmas? I mean, can they really have a ping of death encoded in one of those files? And anyway, they are making it guilty until proven innocent like always. But then it's too late. And the government will never pay you for your machine and/or software and time you put into it. I was guilty until I was proven inoccent just last night. 
I'm starting to dislike the law greatly. Or at least the officials. >
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I'm starting to dislike the law greatly. Or at least the officials. >
[Message Edited]
Mr_Ph00ey2u
Reply #36 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:22 AM
Reply #36 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:22 AM
Republican Senator Orrin G. Hatch from Utah is who's brinchild this is. I normally think highly of him, but in this case he's wayyyy out there! 
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joetheblow
Reply #37 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:52 AM
Reply #37 Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:52 AM
This is interesting in the greatest form of the word interesting.
I would like to see them try to implement this. what I do believe is that they should do it for child p0rn and other larger criminal acts.
As far as this democrate/repuplican I have always felt republicans were the type to got to an extreme like this; like a my way or the highway additude. Just MHO
I would be for finding out who is downloading songs on mass, and get there IP addresses and basically go to the home and confiscate the computer and bring it back when the material is removed. The ISP's should easliely be able to know who is downloading and where by the records.
Since college campuses are a major area of theft, networks would have to be reconfigured to allow specific users and track them on sign in when downloading a continuos stream of data.
All this fuss... I don't remember all this when the VCR came out. What happened to tape recorders? Yes digital media makes it so easy and high quality (studio quality in fact) but instead of handling it like this, why not come up with a solution. Apple computers seems to got it. Every week the sales increase and Mac;s are only 3% of the world market (I believe) and they get 400,000 downloads a week.
Make it available to consumers and they will buy it. Come up with a new marketing stratagey and they ill buy those 20 dollars collectable CD's
I would like to see them try to implement this. what I do believe is that they should do it for child p0rn and other larger criminal acts.
As far as this democrate/repuplican I have always felt republicans were the type to got to an extreme like this; like a my way or the highway additude. Just MHO
I would be for finding out who is downloading songs on mass, and get there IP addresses and basically go to the home and confiscate the computer and bring it back when the material is removed. The ISP's should easliely be able to know who is downloading and where by the records.
Since college campuses are a major area of theft, networks would have to be reconfigured to allow specific users and track them on sign in when downloading a continuos stream of data.
All this fuss... I don't remember all this when the VCR came out. What happened to tape recorders? Yes digital media makes it so easy and high quality (studio quality in fact) but instead of handling it like this, why not come up with a solution. Apple computers seems to got it. Every week the sales increase and Mac;s are only 3% of the world market (I believe) and they get 400,000 downloads a week.
Make it available to consumers and they will buy it. Come up with a new marketing stratagey and they ill buy those 20 dollars collectable CD's
Doomgaze
Reply #38 Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:34 AM
Reply #38 Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:34 AM
The anti-hack laws prohibit law enforcement from actively hacking/spyware'ing/intentionally damaging computers of people to watch if they're doing "illegal things".
Any evidence gained by such means is inadmissable in court.
The anti-hack laws protect you. (Not that the RIAA and other such groups don't already violate them brutally)
[Message Edited]
Any evidence gained by such means is inadmissable in court.
The anti-hack laws protect you. (Not that the RIAA and other such groups don't already violate them brutally)
[Message Edited]
KarmaGirl
Reply #39 Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:23 AM
Reply #39 Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:23 AM
A good example of the current law: if a company is hacked, the FBI can not install software to catch the hacker. they can "suggest" that you implement things that will track them, but they can not do it themselves.
now, if that is just one of the examples of our current laws, then how in the heck could they get something as destructive as this passed? And, how could they implement it without toasting innocent people's computers?
They just can't. And, having the government tracking IP addresses and what people do seems like a complete violation of privacy. We're talking a true big brother issue here.
Doomgaze
Reply #40 Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:36 AM
Reply #40 Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:36 AM
also entrapment laws do apply fully to the net also
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Reply #21 Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:33 PM
l33t d00dz 0nly ha3v d4t
1 k33l u n0w f0r t3ll1ng t3h w0rld"
Good impression of a l33t t33N h@ck3R WannaB. Those l33t t33Ns in Yahoo! Chat rooms always crack me up when they give a bunch of BS about how they can get past my firewall and delete my hard drive, and when I dare them to go ahead and do it, they just keep talking as if they can. Nothing ever comes out of it. They are all just talk.