Tension

Saturday, May 24, 2003 by jcg | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

I have a theory as to why there is tension on the msg board lately. I think its because I've seen more trolls in the last week than I can count. Reacting to the trolls can be fun (I do it all the time) but one problem is I see that attitude carry over into other threads. My advice, see a troll, ignore a troll.
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Peff
Reply #1 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:54 AM
Good advice...I'll follow it from now on



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jcg
Reply #2 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:56 AM
I figure this, if youl really want to tick a troll off, ignore him. He's looking for attention, don't give him the satisfaction.
jcg
Reply #3 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:56 AM
Glad to see some people are maintaining a sense of humor
Doomgaze
Reply #4 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:59 AM
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
wombat_1
Reply #5 Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:04 AM
PULL!!



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Frogboy
Reply #6 Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:07 AM

I know what has me concerned - reactive behavior.

I've been part of on-line communities for going on 20 years now. I started off by running BBSes and what happens is that you have 3 groups:

Group 1: Core group of regulars - 5% of the population.

Group 2: The Trolls - 1% of the population

Group 3: The casaul readers - Everyone else.

The core group will tend to believe that they decide what is and isn't acceptable behavior because they post the most. They tend to feel a kind of ownership. The problem is that people are naturally reactive. So as trolls come and go, especially when there is a rise in them, the regulars will tend to demand and implement an increasingly more confined set of behaviors that they will tolerate.

This in turn creates more trolls which in turn calls more reaction until eventually the message board ends up basically an ugly, narrow minded, quasi-fascist message board where the regulars run out everyone who isn't behaving exactly as they should (in their minds).

We're seeing that here unfortunately. An increasing tendancy of the regulars (moderators included) to narrowly define what is acceptable behavior and taking very strong action on those who they feel fall outside those boundaries. This incites bordlerine people to enter the realm of the troll.

You can see this in the Mac world a lot more since they have been around long enough and are small enough communities to have this go on for awhile. Anyone remotely critical of a Mac will get creamed on those sites.

People should have the right to post things here that the majority don't agree with. The boundaries should be as wide as possible - as long as it's not harming anyone, as long as no personal attacks are made, as long as the posts don't exist purely to hijack or detract from the conversation, etc. then it should be okay generally.

And if it's not okay, a polite note from a moderator pointing where the author went wrong can be made and life can go on.

We're too large a community now for us to get into a bunker mentality. We're way beyond the time where we can just circle the wagons. Doing so only makes the message board reek of elitism, snobbery and intolerance.

My advice is for everyone to try to be as tolerant as possible, mellow out as much as one can, and for those inclined to the melodrama to try to resist the temptation of making a post telling the world how unfair life is to you and how you're going to leave, take your skins, stop skinning, stop posting, or whatever cry for attention that one may be tempted to make.

At the end of the day, this is a site for personalizing the very thing many spend hours in front of each day. It's supposed to be fun. It's a means to an end, not an end in itself.

IPlural
Reply #7 Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:24 AM
ditto; Frogboy
jcg
Reply #8 Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:58 AM
Frogboy;

Your response is what I probably should have added to post #2.
Lecrayon
Reply #9 Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:35 PM
An increasing tendancy of the regulars (moderators included) to narrowly define what is acceptable behavior


I agree with that.

People should have the right to post things here that the majority don't agree with. The boundaries should be as wide as possible - as long as it's not harming anyone, as long as no personal attacks are made, as long as the posts don't exist purely to hijack or detract from the conversation, etc. then it should be okay generally.And if it's not okay, a polite note from a moderator pointing where the author went wrong can be made and life can go on


And wholeheartedly agree with that.
kona0197
Reply #10 Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:44 PM
We're seeing that here unfortunately. An increasing tendancy of the regulars (moderators included) to narrowly define what is acceptable behavior and taking very strong action on those who they feel fall outside those boundaries. This incites bordlerine people to enter the realm of the troll.


Some would think I am a troll... but i am not. I might have done things in the past that irratated people but I have tried my best to behave since then. I think of this site as home sort of.
People should have the right to post things here that the majority don't agree with. The boundaries should be as wide as possible - as long as it's not harming anyone, as long as no personal attacks are made, as long as the posts don't exist purely to hijack or detract from the conversation, etc. then it should be okay generally.


but i agree with that wholeheartly...
dukeofchutney
Reply #11 Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:52 PM
Hey now, if it's true we've got tension on this message board then I for one am really sorry it's gotten like that - I'm a Group 3er, I have a wife, 4 small children and a job that keeps me going FULL TIME - I come here (when I can) to relax, and read other peoples meanderings and thoughts - and to (very occasionally) add my own.

So I'll be mighty sorry if the regulars have either gone away in disgust or have turned into ogre's.

What's that expression, "Live and let live"...?





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kona0197
Reply #12 Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:58 PM
Something like that
EventHorizon
Reply #13 Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:12 PM
Good 'Speech' frogboy. Yes, I must say I agree with all of it.
DarkMist
Reply #14 Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:32 PM
Indeed, ditto
SelfExiled
Reply #15 Sunday, May 25, 2003 4:49 PM
The question for me, is what is considered a troll? Is it only someone with a different opinion about society? Is it someone who feels that everyone is different, and it is that difference that keeps society expanding and growing in positive ways? Is it someone who goes against the majority?
My opinion is that there is a problem in society as a whole. That problem manifests itself in all facets of society behavior. With the majority in society, there still exists many problems(drug dealing, rapes, killings, gang problems). Maybe, there needs to be more tolerance in society for different opinions. Because, if society, speaking to the majority, was a well entity, maybe there wouldn't be these problems we find in society. Let's try to keep a open mind, and realize that everyone is different and not always with bad intentions.
joetheblow
Reply #16 Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:18 PM
Atrribution Theory

Tech-Cat
Reply #17 Monday, May 26, 2003 4:04 AM
"The core group will tend to believe that they decide what is and isn't acceptable behavior because they post the most. They tend to feel a kind of ownership. The problem is that people are naturally reactive. So as trolls come and go, especially when there is a rise in them, the regulars will tend to demand and implement an increasingly more confined set of behaviors that they will tolerate.



This in turn creates more trolls which in turn calls more reaction until eventually the message board ends up basically an ugly, narrow minded, quasi-fascist message board where the regulars run out everyone who isn't behaving exactly as they should (in their minds).



We're seeing that here unfortunately. An increasing tendancy of the regulars (moderators included) to narrowly define what is acceptable behavior and taking very strong action on those who they feel fall outside those boundaries. This incites bordlerine people to enter the realm of the troll."


I agree with this completely. I can understand why some borderline people become trolls. I was one of those borderline people. I sympathize with those that feel provoked to retaliate and have not thought that maybe it would be better to contact some admins and resolve their differences with the site diplomatically.
Weaksid
Reply #18 Monday, May 26, 2003 7:23 AM
Didn't we have a whole thread on this before? called "Troll 101" ? I came up with troll 500 but we won't go there.



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craeonics
Reply #19 Monday, May 26, 2003 8:04 AM
What? Mishaps? And I haven't even been around lately!

basic strategy is easy: ignore everyone angling for a response (except me).
Old_Crab
Reply #20 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:06 AM
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