and a rip report
Friday, May 23, 2003 by moshi | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
in a recent thread i had to read the following: "moshi Where is this LCARS interface then? Oh yeah it fictional, and only exists on a tv show! At least i've made it reality or closer than eney one else has! You try and make a theme that complex."
i was pretty surprised as all the images in this theme looked very familiar. a few years ago i was really interested in emulating the LCARS interface and i have seen all of those before...
as the use of trademarked logos is allowed at Wincustomize (the guidelines speak of "theoretical copyrights" - whatever that may be) we should not discuss about those, but rather about the ordinary theft we all can agree about.
i am speaking about this theme: https://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=COMMENTS&Lib=3&SkinID=2445
download it and have a look at mainback 2.BMP
it contains a resized, cut and pasted rip of this image: http://www.lcarscom.net/images/galaxy.jpg at lcarscom.net. even the link is still there, but resized to be unreadable.
personally i think that nothing that is more complicated than black text on a uni-colored background and vice versa was created by the skinner. but it is not my job to search every single rip in this theme. one is already one too much, right?
i was pretty surprised as all the images in this theme looked very familiar. a few years ago i was really interested in emulating the LCARS interface and i have seen all of those before...
as the use of trademarked logos is allowed at Wincustomize (the guidelines speak of "theoretical copyrights" - whatever that may be) we should not discuss about those, but rather about the ordinary theft we all can agree about.
i am speaking about this theme: https://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=COMMENTS&Lib=3&SkinID=2445
download it and have a look at mainback 2.BMP
it contains a resized, cut and pasted rip of this image: http://www.lcarscom.net/images/galaxy.jpg at lcarscom.net. even the link is still there, but resized to be unreadable.
personally i think that nothing that is more complicated than black text on a uni-colored background and vice versa was created by the skinner. but it is not my job to search every single rip in this theme. one is already one too much, right?
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moshi
Reply #3 Friday, May 23, 2003 5:54 AM
Reply #3 Friday, May 23, 2003 5:54 AM
hehe, you should consider glasses then
on the right part of mainback 2.bmp
(no shouting intended, but it´s all caps on the stolen image):
ACCESS GRANTED
LCARSCOM.NET LIBRARY COMPUTER ACCESS AND RETREIVAL
SYSTEM OPTICAL DATA NETWORK STATUS
stolen from this image: http://www.lcarscom.net/images/lcn.gif
two rips in in one image. not bad. if i would look a little more, i´m sure i also find the original of the image at the top.
on the right part of mainback 2.bmp
(no shouting intended, but it´s all caps on the stolen image):
ACCESS GRANTED
LCARSCOM.NET LIBRARY COMPUTER ACCESS AND RETREIVAL
SYSTEM OPTICAL DATA NETWORK STATUS
stolen from this image: http://www.lcarscom.net/images/lcn.gif
two rips in in one image. not bad. if i would look a little more, i´m sure i also find the original of the image at the top.
Doomgaze
Reply #4 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:07 AM
Reply #4 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:07 AM
its not your domain, but not his.
how do you know he didn't get permission?
make sure all the facts are straight before you jump the gun
how do you know he didn't get permission?
make sure all the facts are straight before you jump the gun
moshi
Reply #5 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:15 AM
Reply #5 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:15 AM
because there are neither permissions nor credits in the comments or the downloadable file.
the same as in the logon by the same skinner here: https://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=COMMENTS&Lib=26&SkinID=977
cut and pasted together from these two images:
http://www.lcarscom.net/images/planets_still.gif (text and numbers on the top)
http://www.lcarscom.net/images/okuda4.jpg (the blue part on the left)
the same as in the logon by the same skinner here: https://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=COMMENTS&Lib=26&SkinID=977
cut and pasted together from these two images:
http://www.lcarscom.net/images/planets_still.gif (text and numbers on the top)
http://www.lcarscom.net/images/okuda4.jpg (the blue part on the left)
Doomgaze
Reply #6 Friday, May 23, 2003 8:43 AM
Reply #6 Friday, May 23, 2003 8:43 AM
well then go e-mail the admin of the lcarscom.net website and complain to him, his work, he'll take action
moshi
Reply #7 Friday, May 23, 2003 8:52 AM
Reply #7 Friday, May 23, 2003 8:52 AM
so you think rips should stay up until the creator finds them? not really, it´s in the interest of the whole skinning community that stealing is not tolerated.
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Doomgaze
Reply #9 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:35 AM
Reply #9 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:35 AM
i do beleive people who origionally made the images were contacted in relation to if they were indeed rips.
i don't think you got that point.
i don't think you got that point.
Doomgaze
Reply #10 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:35 AM
Reply #10 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:35 AM
and as far as your statement of making "the best" LCARS theme... where is it?
Jafo
Reply #11 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:35 AM
Reply #11 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:35 AM
OK...it's 25 to 3 in the morning, Saturday...and I'm off to the land of nod...but a few of these themes/works have been removed pending appropriate consent/s, etc...
moshi
Reply #12 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:44 AM
Reply #12 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:44 AM
doomgaze: where the heck did i say i made the best LCARS theme? it´s the mentioned skinner that permanently bigs himself up while using other peoples graphics.
if you want to see a little of my skins/themes check Skinbase.org (a little more than 100 of them) http://www.skinbase.org/gallery.php?uname=moshi
if you want to see a little of my skins/themes check Skinbase.org (a little more than 100 of them) http://www.skinbase.org/gallery.php?uname=moshi
Koasati
Reply #13 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
Reply #13 Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
Doomgaze... even if they were contacted, the permission text isn't there, or is lcars.net even mentioned.
I had wanted to release a HoverDesk LCARS theme, but never received any response from lcars.net or Paramont. I have my doubts that Solley did either.
The theme has been pulled pending appropriate consent/s.........
Urlryn
Reply #14 Friday, May 23, 2003 1:46 PM
Reply #14 Friday, May 23, 2003 1:46 PM
Adam's Lcar's theme is very unique and quite interesting. I use it myself cause i enjoy the feel and complexity of it. I've checked sooo many different Star Trek sites out there and none come close to how well his came out.
I just find it pretty sad accusing a guy for his hard work over images that is posted on many different Star Trek Sites. I would love to know how you are so sure that the image from Lcars.com and the one Adam used are exactly the same? Which episode did those images come from? Was it episode 12 Season 5 or 6 or 7 from Star Trek New Generations or was it episode 9 from Star Trek Voyager season 3 or 2? I know i've seen that image several times on many episodes.
Finding your own personal unique hard work stolen is one thing, but drawing at straws on one of the most popular sci-fi shows is pretty sad.
Do all these Star Trek sites show us they have written permission from Roddenbury and/or the right holders for each of the movies/tv shows that give all the websites permission to hand out thier images as if they own them? I doubt it. Some may have. But majority do not. Based on this assumption then every image on wincustomize taken of a actor/actress, image from a movie or a tv show should be removed unless they have written permission from said actor, movie and tv show rights holders to every website that has a copy of those images.
I just find it pretty sad accusing a guy for his hard work over images that is posted on many different Star Trek Sites. I would love to know how you are so sure that the image from Lcars.com and the one Adam used are exactly the same? Which episode did those images come from? Was it episode 12 Season 5 or 6 or 7 from Star Trek New Generations or was it episode 9 from Star Trek Voyager season 3 or 2? I know i've seen that image several times on many episodes.
Finding your own personal unique hard work stolen is one thing, but drawing at straws on one of the most popular sci-fi shows is pretty sad.
Do all these Star Trek sites show us they have written permission from Roddenbury and/or the right holders for each of the movies/tv shows that give all the websites permission to hand out thier images as if they own them? I doubt it. Some may have. But majority do not. Based on this assumption then every image on wincustomize taken of a actor/actress, image from a movie or a tv show should be removed unless they have written permission from said actor, movie and tv show rights holders to every website that has a copy of those images.
johnct
Reply #15 Friday, May 23, 2003 3:47 PM
Reply #15 Friday, May 23, 2003 3:47 PM
moshi I think you are a very sad individual, with nothing better to do with you life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a Rip, I been on the links that you have posted, and the images are not the same. Of coarse there will be similarities as the LCARS images on the LCARS Com.net are based on the Real LCARS interface. I wonder if all of the websites and themes here on wincustomize have got permission from star trek? I very much doubt it! BTW I have seen images very similar to those you are talking about all over the Internet, they are different but similar as LCARS has a very distinct look if created properly!
moshi are you going to go and grass everyone who has emulated Apple graphics or maybe matrix, hmmm?
I don’t know whether you have actually bothered to download this theme, as if you had, you would have realised that it is the most complexly structured theme ever, and is an amazing piece of engineering and it’s more than a simple collection of graphics. The whole way you have gone about this is a PERSONAL ATTACT on Adam and should be reported.
Jafo are you listening!
Me and other fans of this amazing theme will not stand by and watch someone sad like you destroy a truly unique piece of work. Very angry!
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This is not a Rip, I been on the links that you have posted, and the images are not the same. Of coarse there will be similarities as the LCARS images on the LCARS Com.net are based on the Real LCARS interface. I wonder if all of the websites and themes here on wincustomize have got permission from star trek? I very much doubt it! BTW I have seen images very similar to those you are talking about all over the Internet, they are different but similar as LCARS has a very distinct look if created properly!
moshi are you going to go and grass everyone who has emulated Apple graphics or maybe matrix, hmmm?
I don’t know whether you have actually bothered to download this theme, as if you had, you would have realised that it is the most complexly structured theme ever, and is an amazing piece of engineering and it’s more than a simple collection of graphics. The whole way you have gone about this is a PERSONAL ATTACT on Adam and should be reported.
Jafo are you listening!
Me and other fans of this amazing theme will not stand by and watch someone sad like you destroy a truly unique piece of work. Very angry!
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da_zman20
Reply #16 Friday, May 23, 2003 3:47 PM
Reply #16 Friday, May 23, 2003 3:47 PM
the fact is that he did use images from that website in his skins, links are provided in this post. And Paramount, or the website could sue Wincustomize over it. Stealing of images, should never be tolerated in any way shape or fashion at this site.
DarkMist
Reply #18 Friday, May 23, 2003 3:52 PM
Reply #18 Friday, May 23, 2003 3:52 PM
Johnct the only personal attack that has been made is from you to moshi, images have been used with no permission is all he was saying so please do not assume he is sad because he pointed it out.
Get over it.
Get over it.
johnct
Reply #20 Friday, May 23, 2003 3:52 PM
Reply #20 Friday, May 23, 2003 3:52 PM
Oh I see but it's ok to have apple graphics here, all make sense now
Any what’s wrong with using source graphics everyone does it!
Any what’s wrong with using source graphics everyone does it!
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Reply #1 Friday, May 23, 2003 5:22 AM