Anyone for MENSA

Monday, May 12, 2003 by Stumpy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

Twice Four and Twenty blackbirds were sitting in a tree,

I shot one seventh of them with a shotgun

How many blackbirds remained



Answer will be provided on Friday 16th May


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craeonics
Reply #61 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:01 AM
Too many implicit assumptions to give any valid answer. The only way to find out what really happens is to go out and try it.
paxx
Reply #62 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:21 AM

Cavanaugh:
- Intelligence cannot be defined, let alone tested. So, what is intelligence? The number of synapses in your brain?
- Let me rephrase that: most intelligent people do not belong to an elitist group claiming its members are the most intelligent.

I hate the principle behind MENSA, just as I would hate any group that would claim to be superior to others. I despise people who think they are better than others because of any reason : the size of their muscle, the colour of their skin or their ability to give the expected answer to some questions on a test.

joetheblow
Reply #63 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 3:31 PM
noooooo.... it is more of a math problem then a riddle. and if it is a riddle it is not a good test question.

??? ok lets try that again



I would go with the math. if he shot 1/7 of all the birds then what remain alive is whatever remains after the 1/7th was shot. Nothin in the question (from what I read) says how many stayed on the tree or who remained to sit there and get shot.




simple math. I guess you could say none remained... at the scene, because the surviving birds flew away.

But if this was on a regents exam, or a SAT it would have been all about the math.

But since this is a IQ test, I have no idea what it means.

If it was a joke, then it is a good joke. The birds flew away silly. No bird remain!


joetheblow
Reply #64 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 3:33 PM
wait... they claim what? maybe some of them, but the whole organization?

anyway... what happens if you have an IQ of 200?
spinal
Reply #65 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 3:43 PM
people seem to be missing that 7th were shot, not remaining, so

24 remain
joetheblow
Reply #66 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:01 PM
If my IQ was 230, what would that mean?




and yes I think the subject of the question is about what bird got shot and how many birds did not.


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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #67 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:16 PM
Paxx: - True intelligence cannot be tested
- Most intelligent people do not belong to Mensa or any other group
- Intelligence is only one of many human attributes, and by no means the better one


This is a typical answer given by those who cannot pass the test
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #68 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:20 PM
Hoppity: I took that test and became a member of my local MENSA group

A fine achievement. However, the first thing to learn is not to tell anyone, they always react badly
paxx
Reply #69 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:28 PM

Fuzzy, I know I'm intelligent. I need no test or organisation to reassume me in my self-confidence.

paxx
Reply #70 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:31 PM

I find the idea of MENSA as ridiculous as a club that would test how much you can lift on a bench-press. 200 pounds and over and you're admited.

Yeah, it makes as much sense as that.

joetheblow
Reply #71 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:57 PM
is that why you make such great skins fuzzy???



just kidding ya...

I agree with paxx on some points about intellegence and the fact (since 1970's I believe) that studies have shown there are multipul intellegences not just 2 or 1( memorization and reading/math type stuff).

I believe there are 7 at the moment. I think IQ tests are suppossed to engage those intellegences but it would seem that most focus on 2.

wish I could remember what I studied. It was years ago as a student teacher.

as far as groups are conserned there are plenty of groups, civilizations, towns, teams, clubs, etc.. etc...

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Still I think this question is about math. not about other factors of a real world situation of birds taking flight ofter the gun shot (none remain) or all the birds surviving (all leave) or a chain reaction of exploding carcass makes the birds who fly away so scared the die from excitment ( ). It is about how many did not get shot and how many didn't.


depending on your background, culture, and even what time in history you live in, the answer can be different. its is all how you see it. the 7 intellegences gives a way of adressing those issues of culture, background and time.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #72 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:03 PM
"However, the first thing to learn is not to tell anyone, they always react badly "
paxx
Reply #73 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:07 PM
Apparently there are 3 people here who haven't learned their very first lesson well, depite their superior intelligence.
paxx
Reply #74 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:11 PM

The cult of intelligence can be very dangerous. There was a movement that claimed that anybody under a certain IQ should be castrated in order to leave only the most intelligent people to procreate and therefore improve the humain species.  Not too different from the idea of the "perfect" race of the Arien people.

That's why I really frown upon any group that claims their superiority. The step isn't too big from there to the above paragraph.


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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #75 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:13 PM
I don't recall anyone mentioning superior intelligence
Hus
Reply #76 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:20 PM
Soooooooooo, you peeple tink yu are suhmart, huh? Riddle me this...

A woman shoots her husband. Then she holds him under water for over 5
minutes. Finally, she hangs him. But 5 minutes later they both go out
together and enjoy a wonderful dinner together. How can this be?
IPlural
Reply #77 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:31 PM
Ah, she gave him his insulin shot, then they got in the shower and then went out to the BBQ at the Nudist Colony they live in.



LS_Boreas
Reply #78 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:30 PM

She's a photographer. Next question?
joetheblow
Reply #79 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:38 PM
really???? sounds like to me the husband has super natural powers.

families are groups too. I believe it was the War of the Roses??? Talk about kill them because they are not us

school groups, teams, social groups, biker groups, clans... I guess when you in a group some of the member might ty to gain strength in numbers or feel they are superior because they are in a 'select' group.

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Why did the chicken cross the road?

What came first; The chicken or the egg?

To get to the other side and the egg, respectively...



next QUESTION!!!
paxx
Reply #80 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:48 PM

Come on now. From Mensa's web site:

Membership in Mensa is open to persons who have attained a score within the upper two percent of the general population on an approved intelligence test

Maybe nobody here mentionned superior intelligence, but that's what Mensa is about.
Joetheblow: I'd feel the same about any school group, teams, social groups, biker groups, clans or families if they only admited what their considered the better human beings.

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