Inappropriate behavior

Lit the fire

Wednesday, November 29, 2017 by Uvah | Discussion: Community

I'm sorry, but sometimes I just gotta get things off my chest. So I'm gonna rant.

Ever since this todo with Weinstein or whatever his name is, all those allegations of improper behavior has IMO spiraled out of control. I got the new charger for my laptop and opening Chrome with Bing as my new search engine, I saw that Matt Lauer got fired from NBC for the same reason. What the hell does that say for our culture? Two dudes in Thailand bared their butts in front of a Holy Site and were promptly arrested by Thailand police. Now they want US help to get them out of it. (Since then I saw another article saying they were only fined). Such disrespect was unheard of when I was growing up. 

In Brooklyn during the late fifties and sixties my neighborhood was as diverse as it gets. Jewish, Latino, Italian, African Americans. It ran the gamut. I had an uncle whose name was Walter. Not my real uncle but my dad's best friend. He was an African American and I looked up to him. Point being there was respect across the board. We didn't make exceptions. It didn't matter who you were or where you came from or what faith you followed, you were just another person. 

This world has gone to shit and I hate like hell to imagine what our children will inherit. Rant over.  

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starkers
Reply #21 Friday, December 1, 2017 10:45 PM

DaveBax

I don't think that at all. Some however could have.

Yes, and I agree that some women [and even men] can/will use their bodies to get ahead.  It's a sad fact of life that these 'golddiggers' empower the already powerful so they can/do remain immune from prosecution.... and then there's the non-disclosure agreements these hopefuls have to sign before they even see anyone.  This leaves the innocents without a leg to stand on when their 'NO' is disregarded. 

No wonder so many remain[ed] silent, or left it for 30-40 years to come forward.... all because the golddiggers allowed the greater empowerment of nasty men [and women].... and the legal ramifications and fears of retribution were far too daunting if they broke the non-disclosure agreements they were forced to sign.  Yup, their silence was golden.... and these filthy lechers continue to get away with it because they've got the whole process sewn up.

Anyway, I'd better go ban somebody over in the ban thread before I end up down at the TV station bashing some lecherous exec who couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

   

starkers
Reply #22 Friday, December 1, 2017 10:58 PM

@ Iben.  If only it were that cut and dry!   It's very common for victims to be bullied into silence, and even though they want to report it to a higher authority or the police, they feel so intimidated that their silence is assured.  Now I'm not saying these women are weak, but it's usually only the really strong ones who say "fuck the consequences I'm having your balls'.

I commend anyone who stands up for themselves in such adversity because there was a time when I was too fearful to do it for myself and other colleagues.  We were never sexually abused, etc, but we copped shit from our employer until each of us began to leave for better employment.  The former employer ended up going broke because local employment agencies refused to send job applicants there.

DaveBax
Reply #23 Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:46 AM

starkers

It's very common for victims to be bullied into silence, and even though they want to report it to a higher authority or the police, they feel so intimidated that their silence is assured

I see your point for the past. However I think within the last 10 years or so that anything a Women or person reported is looked into. 

To bring up something these people are saying from 20 to 30 years ago is bull. Show me actual evidence and get people convicted I may believe it. EX: Go to court and tell the Judge what you friend, neighbor, etc. said and you will be stop as it's hear say. Evidence. 

Just ready to hit send and I have the news on. Adding what was just said. A Rep is being accused of touching a Womens leg while sitting together at a meeting or something in 2016.The guy may have turned around or something and hit her leg. Are you freaking kidding me. Hey News, show me a photo.

Solution: All men wear a body cam (front and back). Protect yourself now.

PS: Any women reading this I do like Ladies very much and respect most of them. I used the word most because that statement also for me pertains to men. There are people in both genders that don't deserve and respect. However what is going on is unbelievable especially without any proof. 

Uvah
Reply #24 Saturday, December 2, 2017 8:37 AM

I agree on one point. Much of what has been reported is old, years old and difficult if not impossible to prove. Hearsay is what most of it is based on. This is where the difficulty lies, actions committed so long ago without proof to back it up. I applaud those who came forward but you have to keep in mind why they stayed silent for so long. Threats of job loss etc. is powerful motivation. This particular mindset lies solely with a generation that grew up with it. Fortunately (hopefully) the up and coming one will exercise some common sense and learn what the word respect means.  

teddybearcholla
Reply #25 Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:39 AM

 

Ross, you have it correct.  Respect.... respecting others no matter who they are, the color, religion, political party, etc. 

starkers
Reply #26 Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:54 AM

One fact still remains, whether it be an old or more recent case, powerful people threw their weight around to take what they wanted and then have it hushed up.... and maybe if the 'gold-diggers' hadn't been overly willing to throw it up, then maybe it would never have been an issue today.  

Back in the early days of Hollywood and TV, it was most likely 6 of one and a half dozen of the other, and consensual more often than not, but these days things like that are not acceptable, consensual or not, and the media is all over it every time breast is touched or a backside is slapped because scandal sells papers, boosts ratings.  In fact, for mine,, the media should piss off and leave the entire thing alone.... instead of perpetuating it and bringing even more complainants out of the woodwork.

Put bluntly, we need to know about the important things: like what our money will or won't buy; what our politicians are doing to or for our countries; major disasters and stuff that can affect us, etc.  What we don't need to know who's screwing who in Hollywood and TV land or when.   Right????

Uvah
Reply #27 Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:53 AM

I could not have said it better.   

Chasbo
Reply #28 Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:59 PM

Back in the day we used to say men are dirty dogs. To men sex is love. For some men that's it. Nothing more. Men are hardwired like that but that doesn't mean that a man can do whatever he wants..

Take that and then add positions of power. Men in powerful places. Like Trump said he could get away with anything because of his position, his power. Why he even said he could shoot some body and get away with it. All his words as duly reported.

So are we supposed to ignore those things because we are fed up with being politically correct? 

The leader of our country acts like a unscrupulous cad. It's no wonder this stuff is all over the place.

I don't like it when the victim becomes the perpetrator. That's what is happening. All of a sudden these women are gold diggers. 

How is it that a politician in Alabama is accused by multiple people of child molestation and is in a hotly contested  race to be a Senator? Many people have come out and said the guy was a stalking perv for many years. 

None of this is justified by anything. I makes me sick.

starkers
Reply #29 Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:36 PM

Chasbo

The leader of our country acts like a unscrupulous cad. It's no wonder this stuff is all over the place.

Unfortunately, powerful people with bucket loads of money can and do get away with murder and other serious crimes that regular folk hang or do time for.  For mine, get rid of all the expensive lawyers and judges with deep pockets, then try everyone, rich or poor, on the merits of the case.  If found guilty, rich or poor, then mete out an appropriate sentence to fit the crime.

Yup, let's stop these rich bastards thumbing their noses at our courts and judicial systems.... the law enforcement officers who have to deal with rich scum who flout the law.  What really pisses me off on the 6 0'clock news is when a poor innocent person is acquitted, and outside court they're truly grateful for the process that set them free..... and then you see guilty rich people thumbing their noses and laughing their guts out as they walk away free as a bird.

Chasbo

None of this is justified by anything. I makes me sick.

Same here.  It also nauseates me when uninvolved people stand back a try to lay blame and justify one person over another because it suits their ideals/view of things.  There's only one truth here, really.  There's the guilty and there's the innocent.  However, it's not for we the public, who wasn't even there, to make judgements or to cast aspersions on anyone.  That's up to the courts... NOT us.

'Rant mode off'

Uvah
Reply #30 Sunday, December 3, 2017 8:45 AM

Preferential treatment to those who have notoriety, fame, money, what have you. Case in point, Meek Mills gets 3 to 6 years for violating his probation. The charges...illegal possession of a weapon and drugs. People are crawling out of the woodwork protesting the sentence as too excessive. Were it anyone else there would be no protests, no outcry, no nothing! It would be ignored. This is just one kind of proof. That its a matter of public record with all the news coverage makes it impossible to deny or label it as 'fake news'.

Question: Fake news or alternative facts. If facts represent truth then how in the hell can it be otherwise?

Sorry but prior to the elections there was no such thing as fake news or alternative facts. I would make my real feelings known but this is not the place for it. 

LightStar
Reply #31 Sunday, December 3, 2017 8:47 AM

teddybearcholla

 

Ross, you have it correct.  Respect.... respecting others no matter who they are, the color, religion, political party, etc. 

 

Yes!

DaveRI
Reply #32 Sunday, December 3, 2017 9:30 AM


Fake news or alternative facts. If facts represent truth then how in the hell can it be otherwise?

Fake news (fka propaganda) - made up garbage presented as news to manipulate the masses.  You know the type of stuff I'm talking about, it's generated for the most part by people who are not accountable.  Mainstream media is accountable for what they produce.  That doesn't mean they don't screw up sometimes, I just read a story today about an ABC guy who screwed up, but they are held to the truth.

"Alternative Facts" - a phrase made up by someone who was doing a little dance in front of the cameras.  Enough people thought is was clever that it has unfortunately caught on.  I'm sure it will go down in history as a pathetic indicator of this period.

Fear not Ross, facts are still facts and lies are still lies.

Personally though, I've given up on one of the all-time debates: Are eggs good for you or not?  "They are" "They're not" ... and on and on.  Seriously I've given up on it.  I kind of like eggs so I eat them sometimes   

Uvah
Reply #33 Sunday, December 3, 2017 9:48 AM

It reminds me of which came first, the chicken or the egg. A nonsense question because you can't have one without the other. Its the same with people. Prejudice,  bigotry, racism...we're not born with them ingrained. They are 'taught' in one form or another. Whether or not it comes from a parent or some one else is immaterial. There can be no superior entity. Take away all the titles, ranks etc and all you have left is a person. No different and no better than the next, all are equal. Its a damn shame some are totally ignorant of that reality. Completely blind to the FACT that we are a diverse culture created by those who came here for a better life. What better life?  

DaveRI
Reply #34 Sunday, December 3, 2017 10:14 AM

Well there are a lot worse places to be, don't really have to look too hard to find them.  We do have our warts though.

Odd thing about humanity, and this is not a new idea: One of the easiest ways to unite a group of people is to turn them against another group of people.  Likewise, one of the easiest ways to weaken a large group of people is to break them into smaller groups and turn them against each other.  In either case, half the time they don't even realize that's what you're doing to them, much like the "boiling a toad by starting it in cold water" technique.  It's always good to keep an eye on the temperature - the "factual" temperature, not the "relative" one.

starkers
Reply #35 Sunday, December 3, 2017 12:24 PM

DaveRI

We do have our warts though.

Who Doesn't?  There's not a nation on Earth without warts.... and a few skeletons in the closet... under the bed.... in banks and parliaments.... in discarded suitcases.

   

JcRabbit
Reply #36 Sunday, December 3, 2017 11:50 PM

Can't see the forest for the trees: this expression means that if you look at things one at a time, you might not realize that a branch of separate "trees" go together to make a "forest. If we focus on this subject alone, that is precisely what we are doing.

What is currently happening is a LOT more scarier than that, and if people don't wake up in time to see the big picture we are in for some very troublesome times. Remember that 'rich vs. poor' or 'bourgeoisie vs. proletariat' ideology that has been tried in several countries by different people in the last 100 years, has failed EVERY SINGLE TIME and is alone responsible for the death of over 60 million people worldwide, killed by their own governments (11 million in the ex-USSR and 45 million in China alone)?

Very well, now replace 'rich vs. poor' with 'victim vs. oppressor' and you will understand *exactly* what is going on in several areas of our western society.

In the old USSR, a single complaint - even if false, e.g.; motivated by, oh, one of the 12 people living in the same crowded state conceded apartment as you wanting more room for themselves - to the KGB would be enough to get you and your family deported to the Gulag in the middle of the night, no matter how loyal to the party you actually were. No proof needed.

Rings a bell?

I suggest you guys go to Youtube, search for Jordan B. Peterson and watch as many videos of him as you can. He's a Canadian university teacher and psychology professor, one of the most reasonable and intelligent human beings I ever had the privilege of listening to. He talks about this and many other related things. He had the courage to, alone, put his job - and his life - on the line to try and stop the Canadian Bill C-16 from being passed on the Canadian Senate. This is a law that will FORCE you, under penalty of prison, to address transgender women and men by the pronoun/gender identity of THEIR choice, even if you don't agree with that. And it gets worse, because that pronoun can be anything they just made up like zie, zim, zir, zis, zieself, tey, ter, tem, terself, etc... No, I am not kidding.

To understand how utterly insane it is that something like this can actually pass into a law, and how unthinkable it would be just a handful of years ago, imagine me, being white, claiming never-the-less that I'm black and sending YOU to prison if you refuse to acknowledge my claim and address me as such.

How did things get to be this insane? Remember:The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Uvah
Reply #37 Monday, December 4, 2017 6:30 AM

JcRabbit

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

We have a serious shortage of good men and women in this country. And judging by the present state of affairs I think they all got canceled due to lack of interest. Having the good guys in charge is hardly exciting......right.     

starkers
Reply #38 Monday, December 4, 2017 8:34 AM


Having the good guys in charge is hardly exciting......right.

That just doesn't happen anymore.... good guys in charge.  Sadly, corruption and graft is the norm nowadays, and the only thing to change it will be another world war or anarchy.... anything else will fail because power and money talks.

For mine, I'd shoot the richest of the rich because they all have something to hide and be ashamed of.  As for the rest, I'd lock the bastards up for those crimes known and unknown that they got away with.  There'd be no buying high priced lawyers or judges under my watch.... the rich would all endure the appropriate penalties and hang if proven guilty.

starkers
Reply #39 Saturday, December 9, 2017 1:01 AM

Just wondering.... is this inappropriate behaviour... see below clip.

BTW: The Divinyls were one of the greatest Aussie bands ever.  I saw them live in 1986 and was totally rapt in their performance.  Sadly, Chrissie Amphlett, the lead singer, was taken from us way too early when she died at age 53 in her New York home in 2013 of breast cancer.  She also battled MS.

DaveRI
Reply #40 Saturday, December 9, 2017 2:42 AM

starkers

Just wondering

Hadn't heard that one for awhile, nice little trip down memory lane.

Seems appropriate to me, I won't be filing any complaints.  I see less "appropriate" - and less "interesting" - behavior during any prime-time televised music awards show...

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