T-Man's Religous Debate for Doreen
Wednesday, April 30, 2003 by T-Man | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
My God is right and your god is wrong. Unless of course your god is the same as my God. But in either case, I am right.
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Lady_Akasha
Reply #62 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:19 AM
Reply #62 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:19 AM
Laws of the Universe and The Gods (for most of you just GOD)are one in the same. They are everywhere, in everthing, in everyone of us.
thus in a sense the cosmic universe is the gods. I think I get where joe is going with this...
thus in a sense the cosmic universe is the gods. I think I get where joe is going with this...
Bangkokboy
Reply #63 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:47 AM
Reply #63 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:47 AM
methinks BoXXi is trying to hijack the thread, or at least derail it! 
one of the best quotes in the Bible for me and other Christians:
"With the mouth you lift up praise to God, and with the same mouth you curse man, who was created in the image of God". says a great deal.
one of the best quotes in the Bible for me and other Christians:
"With the mouth you lift up praise to God, and with the same mouth you curse man, who was created in the image of God". says a great deal.
BoXXi
Reply #64 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:54 AM
Reply #64 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:54 AM
BoXXi is hijacking this thread....Nobody move!! I want 50 Treetog skins, and a helicopter on the roof in 15 minutes or I start deleting stuff! (not my stuff though!) O.k.... everybody in the corner... I've got an exile button and I ain't afraid to use it! 
Lady_Akasha
Reply #65 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:04 AM
deleting stuff
delete if you have to but could please ummm leave my stuff
Reply #65 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:04 AM
deleting stuff
delete if you have to but could please ummm leave my stuff
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #67 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:29 AM
Reply #67 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:29 AM
I never cease to be amused by people quoting nonsensical religious stuff. Religion is for people who are unable to deal with reality and belongs back in the dark ages.
Styl-X Design
Reply #68 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:33 AM
Reply #68 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:33 AM
Styl-X Design sees he was just at page 1 with reading.... damn, i thougth this was religion stuff...
Styl-X Design crawls toward the corner afraid of boxxi's button.
hurry treetog
Styl-X Design crawls toward the corner afraid of boxxi's button.
hurry treetog
dan.wright
Reply #69 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:48 AM
Reply #69 Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:48 AM
grayhaze ... Aafuss . Like how you threw that in there. Excellent stuff by the way.
late
. Like how you threw that in there. Excellent stuff by the way.late
Doreen
Reply #70 Thursday, May 1, 2003 11:16 AM
Reply #70 Thursday, May 1, 2003 11:16 AM
I think most things in life are pretty simple, ppl just like to make things hard trying to "think" too much, to know God is to have "Faith" and to "Trust" that is the "Truth" it's very simple...
when ppl begin to look beyond that they lose God...
T-man I can't believe you stuck such a thread out here!? (specially here?)
but nevertheless it's gonna get me to go to Church, He's been chasing me anyways and you would not believe me if I told you all the things he does! (you would never believe me)
anyways these debates are very entertaining to watch... hehe
when ppl begin to look beyond that they lose God...
T-man I can't believe you stuck such a thread out here!? (specially here?)
but nevertheless it's gonna get me to go to Church, He's been chasing me anyways and you would not believe me if I told you all the things he does! (you would never believe me)
anyways these debates are very entertaining to watch... hehe
pjpowell
Reply #71 Thursday, May 1, 2003 11:26 AM
Reply #71 Thursday, May 1, 2003 11:26 AM
pjpowell has to interject again. As a Christian I believe that someone did go to slugworld(Hell) and did come back to tell people about it. That person was Jesus. Some of his disciples saw him die. They also saw him when he returned from death and came back to them. They wrote about it and told people who went on to tell other people as Jesus had commisioned them to do. It is down to each person whether to believe those who pass on the Gospel (Good News) or not. Nobody is forcing anybody to believe. I have not been indoctrinated, I made the choice of my own free will. My parents (both of whom are Christians and have worked as missionaries in India) told me from an early age about Jesus and what they believed he had done for them. But they didn't say 'And you have to believe it too because we say so'. They said 'it is up to you to decide for yourself'. And I did and I really couldn't be happier.
As for the name Christian, yes I believe it probably was used as a derogatory term by people to describe the followers of Jesus. However I like the name. It means follower of Christ. And that is indeed what I am.
As for the name Christian, yes I believe it probably was used as a derogatory term by people to describe the followers of Jesus. However I like the name. It means follower of Christ. And that is indeed what I am.
Bangkokboy
Reply #72 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:07 PM
Reply #72 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:07 PM
"I never cease to be amused by people quoting nonsensical religious stuff. Religion is for people who are unable to deal with reality and belongs back in the dark ages" - Fuzzy L
agree with you to a point: the degeneration of Christianity into state controlled mindless religion plunged europe into the dark ages. the beginning reemergence of Christianity post-reformation was the overwhelming social force which drug europe kicking and screaming out of the dark ages toward the modern light (with a few really big hiccups along the way).
amusement is a much more physically health-producing reaction than anger, which bodes well for you.
agree with you to a point: the degeneration of Christianity into state controlled mindless religion plunged europe into the dark ages. the beginning reemergence of Christianity post-reformation was the overwhelming social force which drug europe kicking and screaming out of the dark ages toward the modern light (with a few really big hiccups along the way).
amusement is a much more physically health-producing reaction than anger, which bodes well for you.
spinal
Reply #74 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:36 PM
Reply #74 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:36 PM
weather you beleive or not, personally doesnt matter, but i cant help but think that, we as a population we need to beleive and fear god (or something/one) just look at the state the world is in, people dont fear god anymore, and thats the only thing that makes people 'good' if a pet does not fear the angry you, it will not behave, so if a human does not fear the angry god, then he/she will not behave, there will be no punishment for his/her wrongs, jail doesnt work because people in power are to soft and are not feared.
i think i drifted there, sorry if i didnt actually say anything.
i think i drifted there, sorry if i didnt actually say anything.
joetheblow
Reply #75 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:50 PM
Reply #75 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:50 PM
your close Lady Akasha.
My theory is just that... a theory.
others have there's. I don't think they are ignorant because they do or that they are going to 'hell' if they don't agree with me.
I do believe that religion has been used to control the masses.
Lets back step here
Religion = set of practiced believes made to intergrate scriptures ot ideals into your mind.
Sort of a self brain washing. Telling yourself you have to go to church and pray 7 days a week is religion
Faith = Believe in something that is unseen or/and unfelt. The ability to act and behave in a manner that follows your Faith.
So you can believe in a way of being or dogma BUT. it does not mean I have to go to chuirch every Sunday or pray 7 days a week.
Religion has been used to control the masses. Seculr laws a somewhat based off of that, of which do the same thing; control the masses.
Faith is hard to control by a leader or a group and tends to be far less violent.
__________________________
So religion is another loaded word, much like God is.
Yes Lady Akasha, I do believe that the 2 'gods' are the same enity, but that is my faith that says so.
I feel the bottom line is though, that even if I am wrong about a living, thinking God with feelings and perpose and emotion... even if I am wrong... and that type of God does not excist, guess what?
The Universe as it is, with all the laws that govern it, whether purposely done or not, controls, created, and destroys us all. In a sense, the laws of physics, calulus, gravity, physical properties becomes the god. That god controls the universe, randomly, in such a way that is not fully understandable. In this case God is a sort of living one cell organizm beyound the scope of what we call organism that holds us all.
An aomeba as far as we know, does not think. It is living though, but not a thinking being. WE are part of the smallest parts of the 'aomeba'. Which still makes the 'aomeba' our God.
So as far as I am conserned... have your faith, your religion, your dogma or just believe we are just here, we still have a god.
Is it a god (lower case 'g') or is it God (upper case 'G')? Is it a thinking, living, passionite, emotional creater? Or is it just alive without any direction? (A running program if you will)
That is what I ask Doreen, T-man, greyhaze, Bangkokboy, pjpowell, EventHorizon.
I think that is the real question. There will always be a god. The question is what is it?
___________________________
Did I mention that religion is a loaded word? I would state that there is no such thing as religion in noun form. Or if it is, it is not a person, it is a thing; unliving, repeativive action. Faith is living thing or person.
comments?
Remember be nice other wise Frogboy will get us. I will also destroy all of you for not following in my thoughts. Sinners!!!!
hmmmmm.....
joetheblow gets the holy gun that will only kill yuo if you are evil. If I shoot you and you die, then youe Evil.
Done.
My theory is just that... a theory.
others have there's. I don't think they are ignorant because they do or that they are going to 'hell' if they don't agree with me.
I do believe that religion has been used to control the masses.
Lets back step here
Religion = set of practiced believes made to intergrate scriptures ot ideals into your mind.
Sort of a self brain washing. Telling yourself you have to go to church and pray 7 days a week is religion
Faith = Believe in something that is unseen or/and unfelt. The ability to act and behave in a manner that follows your Faith.
So you can believe in a way of being or dogma BUT. it does not mean I have to go to chuirch every Sunday or pray 7 days a week.
Religion has been used to control the masses. Seculr laws a somewhat based off of that, of which do the same thing; control the masses.
Faith is hard to control by a leader or a group and tends to be far less violent.
__________________________
So religion is another loaded word, much like God is.
Yes Lady Akasha, I do believe that the 2 'gods' are the same enity, but that is my faith that says so.
I feel the bottom line is though, that even if I am wrong about a living, thinking God with feelings and perpose and emotion... even if I am wrong... and that type of God does not excist, guess what?
The Universe as it is, with all the laws that govern it, whether purposely done or not, controls, created, and destroys us all. In a sense, the laws of physics, calulus, gravity, physical properties becomes the god. That god controls the universe, randomly, in such a way that is not fully understandable. In this case God is a sort of living one cell organizm beyound the scope of what we call organism that holds us all.
An aomeba as far as we know, does not think. It is living though, but not a thinking being. WE are part of the smallest parts of the 'aomeba'. Which still makes the 'aomeba' our God.
So as far as I am conserned... have your faith, your religion, your dogma or just believe we are just here, we still have a god.
Is it a god (lower case 'g') or is it God (upper case 'G')? Is it a thinking, living, passionite, emotional creater? Or is it just alive without any direction? (A running program if you will)
That is what I ask Doreen, T-man, greyhaze, Bangkokboy, pjpowell, EventHorizon.
I think that is the real question. There will always be a god. The question is what is it?
___________________________
Did I mention that religion is a loaded word? I would state that there is no such thing as religion in noun form. Or if it is, it is not a person, it is a thing; unliving, repeativive action. Faith is living thing or person.
comments?
Remember be nice other wise Frogboy will get us. I will also destroy all of you for not following in my thoughts. Sinners!!!!
hmmmmm.....
joetheblow gets the holy gun that will only kill yuo if you are evil. If I shoot you and you die, then youe Evil.
Done.
joetheblow
Reply #76 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:57 PM
Reply #76 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:57 PM
oh and its not fearing God.
"oh no he will do something. I will be punished! Get a broken toe or something. lepheracy maybe."
it is the fear of being without her.
in other words...
"Oh please don't leave!!! I'll be good! Just don't go."
I guess it is all about how you look at it. I look at it as fear of leaving me. That is not a punishment. That is like someone not talking to you or liking you any more because they just don't care about you.
"I want God to care about me, but I am not in fear of punishment. I am in fear of her leaving. It will feel like punishment, but really it is her being tired of my BS, and for her own good she left."
If that is what you mean, I would agree 100%
"oh no he will do something. I will be punished! Get a broken toe or something. lepheracy maybe."
it is the fear of being without her.
in other words...
"Oh please don't leave!!! I'll be good! Just don't go."
I guess it is all about how you look at it. I look at it as fear of leaving me. That is not a punishment. That is like someone not talking to you or liking you any more because they just don't care about you.
"I want God to care about me, but I am not in fear of punishment. I am in fear of her leaving. It will feel like punishment, but really it is her being tired of my BS, and for her own good she left."
If that is what you mean, I would agree 100%
Doreen
Reply #77 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:57 PM
Reply #77 Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:57 PM
joe it is God w/ a capital "G" and God is a powerful "Spirit" he has no shape nor form, he is referred to as "he" cuz of the strength & power of him...
(I think? course I won't know anything for sures until I die right?)
one thing I do know is that if I don't stay off these blasted boards I may need God to go find me another job cuz I got someone on me right now and I better stop this posting! hehe
(I think? course I won't know anything for sures until I die right?)
one thing I do know is that if I don't stay off these blasted boards I may need God to go find me another job cuz I got someone on me right now and I better stop this posting! hehe
Styl-X Design
Reply #78 Friday, May 2, 2003 12:36 AM
Reply #78 Friday, May 2, 2003 12:36 AM
Anyone knows what wicca is? and if so, what you think about it??
craeonics
Reply #79 Friday, May 2, 2003 4:38 AM
Reply #79 Friday, May 2, 2003 4:38 AM
Wicca = Witch = neopaganism. As in, people that believe in a God and a Goddess (and primarily the Goddess) and are "in touch" with nature.
Anyhow, religion. If I'm right I'll be be null and void when I die. If I'm wrong, I'll be burning in hell a couple millennia and then be null and void. So it's a loss-loss situation.
Anyhow, religion. If I'm right I'll be be null and void when I die. If I'm wrong, I'll be burning in hell a couple millennia and then be null and void. So it's a loss-loss situation.
Styl-X Design
Reply #80 Friday, May 2, 2003 5:43 AM
Reply #80 Friday, May 2, 2003 5:43 AM
Craeonics, I've seen pretty much posts of you, and am always astonished how much you know about evry subject. You're a trutely inteligent man!
This can be simply explain because you're dutch
This can be simply explain because you're dutch
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Reply #61 Thursday, May 1, 2003 9:04 AM
Besides, I always thought the creation of life on this planet was just a lucky accident. A few thousand miles nearer the sun, we burn up and die, a few thousand miles further away, we freeze and die.