Wats better.... Paintshop Pro or Photoshop??
Sunday, April 20, 2003 by DMX143637 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Wats better for making wallpapers in your opinion?....
Paintshop Pro or Photoshop??
Paintshop Pro or Photoshop??
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bakerstreet
Reply #2 Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:17 PM
Reply #2 Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:17 PM
People often forget the PHOTO part of Photoshop. It does a great job at graphics from scratch, but that is only one aspect of the program.
I've never used PSP, but I've reached the point now that I can render about anything i can imagine in PS. I have noted that the style of a lot of PSP artists lean toward being less realistic, but that could just be their style.
Maybe Adobe has me fooled into paying more, but as long as it is the industry standard I am gonna stick with it. I've yet to see many people who use PS switch to PSP. When that starts happening I'll probably rethink things.
I've never used PSP, but I've reached the point now that I can render about anything i can imagine in PS. I have noted that the style of a lot of PSP artists lean toward being less realistic, but that could just be their style.
Maybe Adobe has me fooled into paying more, but as long as it is the industry standard I am gonna stick with it. I've yet to see many people who use PS switch to PSP. When that starts happening I'll probably rethink things.
Koasati
Reply #3 Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:55 PM
Reply #3 Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:55 PM
I've used both and prefer PSP. PS may be the industry standard, but I never been one to follow the crowd. To me PS is too complicated, and many features seem to be hidden. PSP's interface is customizable (I love that).... 
I've been using the PSP 8 betas, and it is truly impressive. Check it out.
http://www.jasc.com/pbeta/psp/default.asp
I've been using the PSP 8 betas, and it is truly impressive. Check it out.
http://www.jasc.com/pbeta/psp/default.asp
bakerstreet
Reply #4 Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:08 PM
Reply #4 Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:08 PM
"industry standard" isn't just following the crowd, or vanity name dropping. The 'industry' in 'industry standard' implies that it is a workplace. If you are gonna create graphics or manipulate images for a living, you often can't choose what kind of software you use. You go in, and they ask you if you have experience with PS, or if you have your ACE certification, etc. You say, "No, Adobe charges too much", and they aren't gonna praise your frugality.
A workplace that has a multi-pc license with Adobe isn't gonna be open to the idea of letting some people use PSP. Sounds very microsoft-monopoly-ish, i know, but them's the facts. You are working on images with other people at times, people may be using your workstation when you aren't there, and software uniformity is pretty much required.
A professional might think the cost of PS is silly, but if he switches to PSP, gets about 3 releases behind on the PS features, and he is way behind the pack. It goes way beyond skinning.
A workplace that has a multi-pc license with Adobe isn't gonna be open to the idea of letting some people use PSP. Sounds very microsoft-monopoly-ish, i know, but them's the facts. You are working on images with other people at times, people may be using your workstation when you aren't there, and software uniformity is pretty much required.
A professional might think the cost of PS is silly, but if he switches to PSP, gets about 3 releases behind on the PS features, and he is way behind the pack. It goes way beyond skinning.
Koasati
Reply #5 Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:36 PM
Reply #5 Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:36 PM
That's all well and good, but for skinning, and and non-workplace photo editing, etc., PSP is every bit as good as PS. And being this is a skinning site, I assume DMX is asking about skinning software.............. if not, he/she should be more specific. 
WasupBoy
Reply #6 Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:08 PM
Reply #6 Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:08 PM
I'll have to agree with bakerstreet, Photoshop is better with realistic stuffs, I've actually seen people recommend PSP more but I'd recommend Photoshop. Yes it is expensive, but it's helped me alot from then
Hope my comment helps your choice
Wasupboy
Hope my comment helps your choice
Wasupboy
bakerstreet
Reply #7 Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:09 PM
Reply #7 Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:09 PM
?? jeez, people can be touchy about this. I don't see anyone downing PSP. If ya feel that "PSP is every bit as good as PS", K, great, but those of us that use PS aren't 'following the crowd', either. Considering the price, I doubt PS is digging very deeply into the 'skinning, and and non-workplace photo editing' market. Warez copies, maybe...
People should consider, though, that PS is as much business software as Office XP, it is just a different set of tasks. For that reason, it isn't gonna be as comfy and easy going as other apps. I am very, very happy with it. Use what you like.
People should consider, though, that PS is as much business software as Office XP, it is just a different set of tasks. For that reason, it isn't gonna be as comfy and easy going as other apps. I am very, very happy with it. Use what you like.
WasupBoy
Reply #8 Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:12 PM
Reply #8 Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:12 PM
Ok.. If you still cannot decide, just afford them both! try dling the evaluation copy or somethin.. and see which one fits you..
Hope this helps... this is the method i use when im stuck between 2 things to decide
Hope this helps... this is the method i use when im stuck between 2 things to decide
bakerstreet
Reply #9 Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:20 PM
Reply #9 Sunday, April 20, 2003 6:20 PM
I will say in Koasati's defense, PSP is probably gonna give a n00b skinner a functional level of comfort a lot quicker. I have no idea which is more efficient for a power-user.
A great deal of Photoshop's productivity comes from sense-memory and automation. I can blaze through a lot of tasks with keyboard shortcuts that I would be completely unable to verbally describe without picking up a manual. I would be instantly crippled on another app, at least for a while.
A great deal of Photoshop's productivity comes from sense-memory and automation. I can blaze through a lot of tasks with keyboard shortcuts that I would be completely unable to verbally describe without picking up a manual. I would be instantly crippled on another app, at least for a while.
wombat_1
Reply #11 Monday, April 21, 2003 12:49 AM
Reply #11 Monday, April 21, 2003 12:49 AM
I use both.
PSP is more 'user friendly' while PS tends to relate to the professional graphics person, except for the trend in PS7 toward the 'happy snaps digital camera' user .... not a great idea IMHO.
Baker ... PSP has and will continue to innovate, PSP6 introduce several features only picked up in PS6.
PSP8 Beta8 is looking good, if a little bit of an overkill in some areas.
Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice ..
One thing I have found, and this just me, myself, the PSP people have been very good over the years, from PSP4 onward, the support and service to this little hairy nosed 'bat has been excellent.
On the other hand, to use a popular term, the Adobe staff are less so and IMHO are 'up themselves'.
Both programs are fine, it depends on what features you will use and how much money you will pay.
Ergo .... PSP7 is my day to day choice but PS7 gets a run when I need to tackle summat more specialised.
PSP is more 'user friendly' while PS tends to relate to the professional graphics person, except for the trend in PS7 toward the 'happy snaps digital camera' user .... not a great idea IMHO.
Baker ... PSP has and will continue to innovate, PSP6 introduce several features only picked up in PS6.
PSP8 Beta8 is looking good, if a little bit of an overkill in some areas.
Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice ..
One thing I have found, and this just me, myself, the PSP people have been very good over the years, from PSP4 onward, the support and service to this little hairy nosed 'bat has been excellent.
On the other hand, to use a popular term, the Adobe staff are less so and IMHO are 'up themselves'.
Both programs are fine, it depends on what features you will use and how much money you will pay.
Ergo .... PSP7 is my day to day choice but PS7 gets a run when I need to tackle summat more specialised.
GregBN
Reply #13 Monday, April 21, 2003 12:59 AM
Reply #13 Monday, April 21, 2003 12:59 AM
Hmm....
I've trialed with a "ripped" version of PS6. I didn't like it, so I got rid of it and bought PSP 7 Anniversary edition back in January of this year. I'm using it for simple image viewing and editing and like how it's set up. However, PSP 8 is probably coming out soon. WinCustomize is selling PSP 7.00 for only 17.00... I bought it for 99.00 (my rebates haven't come in yet). It's a really good deal, so check it out if you're seriously debating it.
I've trialed with a "ripped" version of PS6. I didn't like it, so I got rid of it and bought PSP 7 Anniversary edition back in January of this year. I'm using it for simple image viewing and editing and like how it's set up. However, PSP 8 is probably coming out soon. WinCustomize is selling PSP 7.00 for only 17.00... I bought it for 99.00 (my rebates haven't come in yet). It's a really good deal, so check it out if you're seriously debating it.
bakerstreet
Reply #14 Monday, April 21, 2003 1:03 AM
Reply #14 Monday, April 21, 2003 1:03 AM
Between PS6 and the release of 7 I was darn tempted to use PSP. I dropped back to PS 5.5 for most of that time. I would have been better off waiting for 7.0 than wasting the money for 6.0. That was the only time I have had to deal with tech support at Adobe, so they weren't *able* to be very helpful. Not a lot to work with. 
wombat_1
Reply #15 Monday, April 21, 2003 4:20 AM
Reply #15 Monday, April 21, 2003 4:20 AM
PSP8 is still more than a little 'buggy' in a few areas, the general feeling in the test group is "Please don't release it until it's right!" which is my thoughts as well.
Youji, you should get a really good upgrade deal ....
Youji, you should get a really good upgrade deal ....
GregBN
Reply #17 Monday, April 21, 2003 4:54 AM
Reply #17 Monday, April 21, 2003 4:54 AM
Nah, I think I checked on the website that unless I purchased it from the manufacturer, there is no free upgrade for me. I find that sort of unfair, you know? 
Oh well, should have waited, but I wanted to get off that ripped ps 6.0 as fast as I can. I don't know how to use it, don't want to use it, and probably will not use it anytime in the near future just yet....
at least, not until I have 600 bucks to kill...
Oh well, should have waited, but I wanted to get off that ripped ps 6.0 as fast as I can. I don't know how to use it, don't want to use it, and probably will not use it anytime in the near future just yet....
at least, not until I have 600 bucks to kill...
moshi
Reply #18 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:01 AM
Reply #18 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:01 AM
Photoshop is the better program, there should be need to argue about that
but as it looks you are just to begin with graphics, PaintShop Pro might be the better choice for you, but if you are interested in doing design or graphics for a living one day then don´t waste your time with it and go directly for Photoshop.
i think the Photoshop interface is very easy to use, but then the first program i was really working with was The GIMP and most of it works the same way as in PS (it might not look that way, but if you ever really worked with The GIMP you know it).
but as it looks you are just to begin with graphics, PaintShop Pro might be the better choice for you, but if you are interested in doing design or graphics for a living one day then don´t waste your time with it and go directly for Photoshop.
i think the Photoshop interface is very easy to use, but then the first program i was really working with was The GIMP and most of it works the same way as in PS (it might not look that way, but if you ever really worked with The GIMP you know it).
Styl-X Design
Reply #19 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:06 AM
Reply #19 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:06 AM
Photoshop is best... atleast, I think so. I only tryed some trials from PSP but I couldn't find any bevel and embos options and stuff like that. (Ofcourse it is in and am I wrong, but I just didn't see it )
)
paxx
Reply #20 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:37 AM
Reply #20 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:37 AM
Well, "better" only meens "it fits my needs".
What do you need t for?
Sure, Photoshop is superior, but I'm fairly sure that, unless you make graphics for a living, especially for print (magazine adds, billboards, etc.), you would never use Photoshop more than 30% of its capacity. Just like most MS Word users could just as well be using Wordpad.
I think it's fair to assume that Paintshop Pro would be more than enough for the average skinner/Wallpaper artist. Besides, it's easier to use, and the learning curve isn't as steep.
What do you need t for?
Sure, Photoshop is superior, but I'm fairly sure that, unless you make graphics for a living, especially for print (magazine adds, billboards, etc.), you would never use Photoshop more than 30% of its capacity. Just like most MS Word users could just as well be using Wordpad.
I think it's fair to assume that Paintshop Pro would be more than enough for the average skinner/Wallpaper artist. Besides, it's easier to use, and the learning curve isn't as steep.
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Reply #1 Sunday, April 20, 2003 3:04 PM