Quick Question to all dem designers......
Sunday, April 20, 2003 by DMX143637 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Wot programs does everyone use???
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bakerstreet
Reply #2 Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:20 PM
Reply #2 Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:20 PM
I've heard 12-step programs work for some people.
Koasati
Reply #4 Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:05 PM
Reply #4 Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:05 PM
I don't even know what a dem designer is............. what's a dem?
BoXXi
Reply #6 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:05 AM
Reply #6 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:05 AM
hehe... Baker, you must be old like me! https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=8&SkinID=751
Styl-X Design
Reply #7 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:09 AM
think he is german or dutch or something...
Was fur program haben Sie all?
Reply #7 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:09 AM
think he is german or dutch or something...Was fur program haben Sie all?
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #8 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:21 AM
Reply #8 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:21 AM
Wot r u trying 2 say m8? (hope the translation from English is ok 
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DMX143637
Reply #10 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:43 AM u lot really make me laugh man!
'dem' as in them! lol!! no i aint german by da way.... or by 'the' way! lol....
anywayz.... wot program do all them wallpaper designers use??
Reply #10 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:43 AM
u lot really make me laugh man! 'dem' as in them! lol!! no i aint german by da way.... or by 'the' way! lol....
anywayz.... wot program do all them wallpaper designers use??
Stumpy
Reply #11 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:45 AM
Reply #11 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:45 AM
The program dosn't matter, it's Talent that you need
grayhaze
Reply #12 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:47 AM
Reply #12 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:47 AM
Ai usez da Macromedeah Fireworkz man. Innit. (English/Moron translation by BabelFish)
Not that I'm making fun of the way you speak or anything.
Not that I'm making fun of the way you speak or anything.
c242
Reply #13 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:51 AM
Reply #13 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:51 AM
DMX143637 - Writing in the way You do is not considered very cool as You might think. Personally I will for example not answer any questions written this way. Simple : They are very annoying to read...
DMX143637
Reply #14 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:57 AM
Reply #14 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:57 AM
Ok, well sorry... i can speak like a civilized person of course. Im only writing my words like that because its much faster and im much more use to it because i chat to a lot of people on the internet. Grayhaze that really isnt the way i speak... and what does everyone else think of macromedia Fireworks?
paxx
Reply #15 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:28 AM
Reply #15 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:28 AM
Being a French speaker, I tink I understood what you meant in de first place. 
To answer your question, I tink dat for making wallpapers you should use whatever program you are de most comfortable wit. It is not so much the tool dat matters, as much as how you use it. De talent is in de head, not on de screen.
To answer your question, I tink dat for making wallpapers you should use whatever program you are de most comfortable wit. It is not so much the tool dat matters, as much as how you use it.
De talent is in de head, not on de screen.
bakerstreet
Reply #16 Monday, April 21, 2003 12:05 PM
Reply #16 Monday, April 21, 2003 12:05 PM
Fireworks is good for what it does, but it has never really been a graphics creation app. I know they have added a lot of stuff to it lately, but originally it was a slice-and-dice app. When they say 'create web graphics', they don't really mean stuff as in-depth as wallpapers, etc.
I used it a time or two at a friend's house to shrink the size of jpgs. It is more like Adobe ImageReady than Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. If you buy Photoshop, you get ImageReady with it, so I have since had no reason to use Fireworks.
Maybe they have added enough paint tools to it now to allow you to be more creative, but frankly it is always gonna be a few steps behind the rest since it is not really designed for that purpose.
I used it a time or two at a friend's house to shrink the size of jpgs. It is more like Adobe ImageReady than Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. If you buy Photoshop, you get ImageReady with it, so I have since had no reason to use Fireworks.
Maybe they have added enough paint tools to it now to allow you to be more creative, but frankly it is always gonna be a few steps behind the rest since it is not really designed for that purpose.
grayhaze
Reply #17 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:05 PM
Reply #17 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:05 PM
It's true that Fireworks is primarily for web graphics creation, but that weighs very heavily in its favour for skinning too. It's perfect for creating precise compact images, especially when using the fantastic vector tools which put those in Photoshop to shame.
I admit it's probably not the best for the creation of overly complicated 'painterly' wallpapers, but having used both Fireworks and Photoshop extensively in my job I can wholeheartedly recommend it for someone who likes the idea of having complete control in ways Photoshop is only just starting to mimic.
I certainly wouldn't go back to skinning in Photoshop after having experienced Fireworks. Photoshop is really best for photo manipulation and working on large images with loads of layers.
It's a lot more advanced than ImageReady, which is really only designed for optimising pre-drawn images for use on the web; hence it being bundled with Photoshop now rather than being sold as a stand-alone product.
If you'd like to give Fireworks MX a try, just download the trial version from Macromedia's site. http://www.macromedia.com
I admit it's probably not the best for the creation of overly complicated 'painterly' wallpapers, but having used both Fireworks and Photoshop extensively in my job I can wholeheartedly recommend it for someone who likes the idea of having complete control in ways Photoshop is only just starting to mimic.
I certainly wouldn't go back to skinning in Photoshop after having experienced Fireworks. Photoshop is really best for photo manipulation and working on large images with loads of layers.
It's a lot more advanced than ImageReady, which is really only designed for optimising pre-drawn images for use on the web; hence it being bundled with Photoshop now rather than being sold as a stand-alone product.
If you'd like to give Fireworks MX a try, just download the trial version from Macromedia's site. http://www.macromedia.com
grayhaze
Reply #18 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:07 PM
Reply #18 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:07 PM
By the way, when you say 'Fireworks is good for what it does, but it has never really been a graphics creation app', you couldn't be more wrong. It's always been aimed squarely at the graphics creation market, as that's exactly what it is - a graphics creation app.
bakerstreet
Reply #19 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:34 PM
Reply #19 Monday, April 21, 2003 2:34 PM
no offense, grey, but I have no idea what you mean by "complete control in ways Photoshop is only just starting to mimic". Unless it is PSP, there is *no* app that has more control than photoshop for image creation or maniputaion.
I'd be happy to know some of the features Fireworks includes that Photoshop lacks or does a worse job at.
I'd be happy to know some of the features Fireworks includes that Photoshop lacks or does a worse job at.
grayhaze
Reply #20 Monday, April 21, 2003 3:02 PM
Reply #20 Monday, April 21, 2003 3:02 PM
I was referring to the vector tools provided by Fireworks. Photoshop has only relatively recently introduced vectors, and they are still quite primitive in their capabilities. A lot of the shape creation possible in Fireworks still needs to be done using selections in Photoshop.
You clearly love Photoshop, and you're not alone. It's a fantastic tool for creating and modifying pure bitmap images, but it lacks in certain areas which I find very useful in Fireworks. I still use both applications from time to time, but the majority of my time is spent with Fireworks as I am a web designer. I generally use Photoshop for touching up and managing my photography, while I use Fireworks for graphics creation.
You clearly love Photoshop, and you're not alone. It's a fantastic tool for creating and modifying pure bitmap images, but it lacks in certain areas which I find very useful in Fireworks. I still use both applications from time to time, but the majority of my time is spent with Fireworks as I am a web designer. I generally use Photoshop for touching up and managing my photography, while I use Fireworks for graphics creation.
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Reply #1 Sunday, April 20, 2003 3:53 PM