Im i one of the only supporters of this war!
Sunday, April 6, 2003 by Santos_X13 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have many reasons why i support this war one for the fact if we were to let Saddam go free with out a fight all that would happen is that again he would fund the Al Quiada network once more. when this would happen guess who they would blame they would blame Bush because he could have stopped it but didnt. What does this signify that we need millions more to dies people till you let bush do whats necessary to keep our country free. There will never be peace among man for as long as there is peace there will always be someone wanting to make himself better more powerful then others. Thats why the though of peace is yet to be and until man is able to understand the way of life and why we exist we may never know the true feeling of peace. For any quarele that men undergo can and sometimes will turn out to be massive wars. Think about this also our president is fighting for your right to be able to say things like you dont support the war and that you think your president is stupid. if you where to speak againts ur president in Iraq they would chop off your tongue if you where to steal say goodbye to your hands if you where to run from the authority youd get your feet cut off so think about that.
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Styl-X Design
Reply #42 Sunday, April 6, 2003 5:01 PM
Reply #42 Sunday, April 6, 2003 5:01 PM
Keep it easy, The JM33 squad will fix this 
strategic plan:
4:00 dropping in saddams back yard
4:10 saddam killed among with his lookalikes
4:11 Wondering what that glowing stuff in basement is
4:12 exfil by hummer, just a drive trough town like they did yesterday
You ok with that?
strategic plan:
4:00 dropping in saddams back yard
4:10 saddam killed among with his lookalikes
4:11 Wondering what that glowing stuff in basement is
4:12 exfil by hummer, just a drive trough town like they did yesterday
You ok with that?
joetheblow
Reply #43 Sunday, April 6, 2003 5:13 PM
Reply #43 Sunday, April 6, 2003 5:13 PM
As I said before in other threads, if you have a position and feel strong about it, you should take the time to find oppossing views. Be a critical thinker and see what the other side is saying and why and understand the logic behind it.
You will find that either your position is flawed or your position has been strengthened because you know how to answer the critics of your position.
I was not for this war and thought there were many ways to avoid it. Nevertheless, I found that most if not all options still was leading to the same conclusion especailly if Saddam had no intention of working with any UN resolutions. I have asked many here questions that I wanted answers to because I did not know them myself. If we set a deadline and he breaks it do we give him another one? How long does the inspection regime last? If this is about contaitment, and the inspectors don't find anything, what then? Do they leave?
There are many moore questions then that I have posed that I am sure many of my friends at school have not asked even though they are against the war.
Funn, though, I am still not in favor of the war, but I do not see any alternitives. So all I can ask for is a quick end to the conflict and the hope that we all win after the losses of war with peace.
You will find that either your position is flawed or your position has been strengthened because you know how to answer the critics of your position.
I was not for this war and thought there were many ways to avoid it. Nevertheless, I found that most if not all options still was leading to the same conclusion especailly if Saddam had no intention of working with any UN resolutions. I have asked many here questions that I wanted answers to because I did not know them myself. If we set a deadline and he breaks it do we give him another one? How long does the inspection regime last? If this is about contaitment, and the inspectors don't find anything, what then? Do they leave?
There are many moore questions then that I have posed that I am sure many of my friends at school have not asked even though they are against the war.
Funn, though, I am still not in favor of the war, but I do not see any alternitives. So all I can ask for is a quick end to the conflict and the hope that we all win after the losses of war with peace.
Jafo
Reply #44 Sunday, April 6, 2003 9:33 PM
Reply #44 Sunday, April 6, 2003 9:33 PM
Do we REALLY need another 'Let's go kick ass' Grunt-fest of a thread here?....
Green Armani
Reply #47 Monday, April 7, 2003 1:59 AM
Reply #47 Monday, April 7, 2003 1:59 AM
Not Iraq but several other places. At this time I'm attached to a reserve unit as an inspector-instructor. We are all joking around at my unit that the reason they didn't send us to Iraq is because they are saving us for N. Korea 
Old_Crab
Reply #48 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:01 AM
Reply #48 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:01 AM
For you people that are going over yonder I want you all to know OC will build you all nice some nice pine boxs for your return trip. I'm still against the war, but not the U.S. troopers. However, I doubt if your bravery and skills as merceneries is need at this point in time. It looks like things are about to be wrapped up soon and then the horrors of guerilla warfare such as the former U.S.S.R. fought in Afghanistan is going to evolve. Tit For Tat, like in Israel. Never ending bloodshed and destruction. Ah, me. Such a waste of human,ecological, and financial treasure. 
wombat_1
Reply #49 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:16 AM
Reply #49 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:16 AM
OC ....the more things change the more they stay the same. 
As for the 'kick-arse' posts .... take your medication and stop eating junk food! >
If you've never been 1) 'Under Fire' or 2) taken some metal on board your person then you have no idea of how unpleasant the whole business of warfare really is.
And actually 'killing' another person is not an experience easily forgotten.
This is not a video game, it's a thoroughly nasty business and every person bleeds the same colour!!!
Oops! Forgot I'm not supposed to comment on this subject!
>
As for the 'kick-arse' posts .... take your medication and stop eating junk food! >
If you've never been 1) 'Under Fire' or 2) taken some metal on board your person then you have no idea of how unpleasant the whole business of warfare really is.
And actually 'killing' another person is not an experience easily forgotten.
This is not a video game, it's a thoroughly nasty business and every person bleeds the same colour!!!
Oops! Forgot I'm not supposed to comment on this subject!
> 
Green Armani
Reply #50 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:19 AM
Reply #50 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:19 AM
Not at all but even those that are in the service kid and joke about their duty....so it shouldn't harm anyone to make light of the situation because quite frankly, myself and the Marines I work with on a daily basis do the same.
wombat_1
Reply #51 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:31 AM
Reply #51 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:31 AM
GA .. so do we.
The infamous 'In Service Black Humour' is always a relief valve, but 'civilians' would never be amused.
As in Vietnam period ...Q. "How can you shoot women and children???"
A. "Depends on the range and the crosswind. Sometimes you need to wind off a couple of clicks ....!"
But the 'kiddies' who have never been there and done that need a good reality check. >
The infamous 'In Service Black Humour' is always a relief valve, but 'civilians' would never be amused.
As in Vietnam period ...Q. "How can you shoot women and children???"
A. "Depends on the range and the crosswind. Sometimes you need to wind off a couple of clicks ....!"
But the 'kiddies' who have never been there and done that need a good reality check. >
Green Armani
Reply #52 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:33 AM
Reply #52 Monday, April 7, 2003 2:33 AM
I know what you're saying but these guy's are just trying to have fun....no harm really.
da_zman20
Reply #53 Monday, April 7, 2003 3:01 AM
Reply #53 Monday, April 7, 2003 3:01 AM
I didn't mean that it wasn't a real hospital quite so much, I meant that it wasn't a hospital anymore. Since the war began the hospital have been used as place for the troops to hide, that was mearly my point. But good observation Paxx 
And you left out that she was being slapped when he saw her, as the article states
but you show Paxx, that is hard to keep a good objective on this. The facts get mixed in with so much, then you have everyone in the world wanting to play the victim, including Iraq, and the wonderfull US of A. The Media adds to things, and forgets to mention things. New rumors are floating around that the weapons found were from the countries that are against the war, such France, and Syria... kind of odd I think. It makes sense that would be why these countries wouldn't want the war, selling weapons to Iraq and such, but also this is the propaganda the US Media could come up with to rally support. So, until I see proof of this from someone in the UN i'm not taking anyone's side on where the weapons came from. As for the war, I hope it ends soon, and I hope the world can find peace in our lifetime Paxx, im sure we can agree on that one.
And you left out that she was being slapped when he saw her, as the article states but you show Paxx, that is hard to keep a good objective on this. The facts get mixed in with so much, then you have everyone in the world wanting to play the victim, including Iraq, and the wonderfull US of A. The Media adds to things, and forgets to mention things. New rumors are floating around that the weapons found were from the countries that are against the war, such France, and Syria... kind of odd I think. It makes sense that would be why these countries wouldn't want the war, selling weapons to Iraq and such, but also this is the propaganda the US Media could come up with to rally support. So, until I see proof of this from someone in the UN i'm not taking anyone's side on where the weapons came from. As for the war, I hope it ends soon, and I hope the world can find peace in our lifetime Paxx, im sure we can agree on that one.
Jafo
Reply #54 Monday, April 7, 2003 3:09 AM
Reply #54 Monday, April 7, 2003 3:09 AM
I'm still finding it hard to justify two threads on what is the same subject.
What say we limit it to one, and use the energies saved to indulge in actually skinning something...
What say we limit it to one, and use the energies saved to indulge in actually skinning something...
Doreen
Reply #56 Monday, April 7, 2003 10:51 AM
Reply #56 Monday, April 7, 2003 10:51 AM
Hmm or we could just turn this into an off topic thread?
nevermind Jafo the macro... hehe
nevermind Jafo the macro... hehe
Styl-X Design
Reply #57 Monday, April 7, 2003 11:26 AM
Reply #57 Monday, April 7, 2003 11:26 AM
well this one is funny and about killing saddam, and the other one is about eh... war
JamMeister33
Reply #58 Monday, April 7, 2003 12:50 PM
Reply #58 Monday, April 7, 2003 12:50 PM
Exactly Styl, however certain people have usurped our play time and turned it serious which is why Jafo
is questioning the situation. I suppose play time is over now.... we return you to your regularly
scheduled programming...
is questioning the situation. I suppose play time is over now.... we return you to your regularly
scheduled programming...
DYSEQTA
Reply #59 Monday, April 7, 2003 1:15 PM
Reply #59 Monday, April 7, 2003 1:15 PM
I do not support this war in any way, shape, or form. It was an unprovoked attack instigated by the worlds largest dicatator, namely the US of $%&*#@() A. America; high on it's own arrogance has drawn other nations through political coercion into a battle for America's home land security. This war is not about oil. This war is not about Iraqi freedom. This war is about American homeland security. This war is about America attempting to snuff out any possible threat to itself. America doesnt give a $%^@ about any nation but itself. I don't expect any American to understand this as you will no doubt be deluded by the propaganda that your government/media (is there a difference in America...) spoon feeds you on a daily basis. America is a wolf in sheep's clothing parading around the planet sprouting verbal diharea about peace and prosperity whilst dictating democracy with Tommahawks and Daisy Cutters. Who gave you the right to decide what happens anywhere outside your own borders? I know I sure as hell didn't give you that right.
America decided to show its true colours in this particular instance, defying the will of the United Nations knowing full well that no one will stand up to them. Why because you've got all the guns... and that's just the way you like it. If any of the other nations on this planet suggested that America should be stripped of its weapons of mass destruction I seriously doubt that America would be quick to cooperate. While on the subject of weapons of mass destruction... America has taken great pains to paint Saddam Husein as a monster because of his use of chemical wepaons, tell me, what is the difference between a weapon that kills lots of people slowly and one that kills lots of people quickly? Nothing, they both kill lots of people and that is all that is relevant. America should be stripped of ITS weapons of mass destruction. I dont care what anyone says there is no comparison between what Saddam has done and what America has done in the past. Do you forget that you dropped two nuclear weapons of mass destruction onto two CIVILIAN targets?? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...sheesh! What happened to America as a result of that? Nothing! I see that even to this day they are still calling up Germans on war crime charges for things that happened in WWII and yet no American has ever been charged with a war crime related to that incident of infinite stupidity. What about the indescriminate carpet bombing of Cambodia? Nope not even a rap on the knucles for that one...but I digress...
The point of this post is not to attack the American people, I think nothing bad inparticualar about the average American Joe Blow, but rather it was an attempt to lift the scales of propaganda from the eyes of those who may happen to stumble across it. I will summerise with two quotes from the God that America is always asking to bless it: Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye." John 8:7 "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone..."
Feel free to snicker and berate me for the use of scripture, I care not. God bless America? I think not...
Disclaimer: In the above text the word "America" is used in reference to the political entity not the people.
America decided to show its true colours in this particular instance, defying the will of the United Nations knowing full well that no one will stand up to them. Why because you've got all the guns... and that's just the way you like it. If any of the other nations on this planet suggested that America should be stripped of its weapons of mass destruction I seriously doubt that America would be quick to cooperate. While on the subject of weapons of mass destruction... America has taken great pains to paint Saddam Husein as a monster because of his use of chemical wepaons, tell me, what is the difference between a weapon that kills lots of people slowly and one that kills lots of people quickly? Nothing, they both kill lots of people and that is all that is relevant. America should be stripped of ITS weapons of mass destruction. I dont care what anyone says there is no comparison between what Saddam has done and what America has done in the past. Do you forget that you dropped two nuclear weapons of mass destruction onto two CIVILIAN targets?? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...sheesh! What happened to America as a result of that? Nothing! I see that even to this day they are still calling up Germans on war crime charges for things that happened in WWII and yet no American has ever been charged with a war crime related to that incident of infinite stupidity. What about the indescriminate carpet bombing of Cambodia? Nope not even a rap on the knucles for that one...but I digress...
The point of this post is not to attack the American people, I think nothing bad inparticualar about the average American Joe Blow, but rather it was an attempt to lift the scales of propaganda from the eyes of those who may happen to stumble across it. I will summerise with two quotes from the God that America is always asking to bless it: Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye." John 8:7 "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone..."
Feel free to snicker and berate me for the use of scripture, I care not. God bless America? I think not...
Disclaimer: In the above text the word "America" is used in reference to the political entity not the people.
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Reply #41 Sunday, April 6, 2003 4:56 PM
what kind of...
Santos_X13 - There are many religions that treat women as second class. I think you know that. Just pick up a history book and you will see that easily.
paxx - I have to disagree with the treatment of POW's on the side of Iraqi's. I do not think they treat POW's very nicely and not within Geneva codes. The Red Cross still to my knowledge have not seen anyone yet. I will admit one thing though I will be keeping an open mind on how the Iraqi's treat POW's until all evidence is in. I would, though, much rather be a US POW then a Iraqi one and it is not because of their lack of hospital facilities or doctors
Yes, we all should be aware of militaty propaganda, stories that do not line up, mis-reads, and news organizations who are more one sided and show mostly one thing verses another. It takes critical thinking to get to the story. I keep mentioning critical thinking because I noticed that while there are changes in many stories or reports, you should be able to see a main theme or trepeated story. Epsecially if something is missing.