Im i one of the only supporters of this war!
Sunday, April 6, 2003 by Santos_X13 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have many reasons why i support this war one for the fact if we were to let Saddam go free with out a fight all that would happen is that again he would fund the Al Quiada network once more. when this would happen guess who they would blame they would blame Bush because he could have stopped it but didnt. What does this signify that we need millions more to dies people till you let bush do whats necessary to keep our country free. There will never be peace among man for as long as there is peace there will always be someone wanting to make himself better more powerful then others. Thats why the though of peace is yet to be and until man is able to understand the way of life and why we exist we may never know the true feeling of peace. For any quarele that men undergo can and sometimes will turn out to be massive wars. Think about this also our president is fighting for your right to be able to say things like you dont support the war and that you think your president is stupid. if you where to speak againts ur president in Iraq they would chop off your tongue if you where to steal say goodbye to your hands if you where to run from the authority youd get your feet cut off so think about that.
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paxx
Reply #22 Sunday, April 6, 2003 12:00 PM
Reply #22 Sunday, April 6, 2003 12:00 PM
I'm sure the Iraki POWs are treated far better than the American ones. The Iraqi POWs are actually probably treated far better even than the Iraki soldiers in Iraki hospitals. The situation in those hospitals is quite dramatic.
Styl-X Design
Reply #24 Sunday, April 6, 2003 12:10 PM
Reply #24 Sunday, April 6, 2003 12:10 PM
Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make too.
bakerstreet
Reply #25 Sunday, April 6, 2003 12:16 PM
Reply #25 Sunday, April 6, 2003 12:16 PM
paxx: she was being tortured in that hospital. The man who tipped off the US forces did so because she was being slapped repeatedly while suffering broken vertebrea. How long are you gonna keep up this stupid pretense that the Iraqis aren't monsters to POWs.
da_zman20
Reply #26 Sunday, April 6, 2003 12:35 PM
Reply #26 Sunday, April 6, 2003 12:35 PM
#18 by paxx - 4/6/2003 11:29:16 AM
"Styl Skinner: 'Iraq take prissonners of war from US side, when we free them they have 2 broken legs and a arm!!!!'
From what I understand, she was indeed in a hospital."
That hospital was a building that said hospital on it, not a hospital where lives are saved, there where no doctors in the building paxx...
it was a make shift torture chamber...
And JM33 I'll be on your team, just give a grenade launcher and weare ready to go
"Styl Skinner: 'Iraq take prissonners of war from US side, when we free them they have 2 broken legs and a arm!!!!'
From what I understand, she was indeed in a hospital."
That hospital was a building that said hospital on it, not a hospital where lives are saved, there where no doctors in the building paxx...
it was a make shift torture chamber... And JM33 I'll be on your team, just give a grenade launcher and weare ready to go
JamMeister33
Reply #29 Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:02 PM
Reply #29 Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:02 PM
Special JM33 commando unit, all geared up and ready for the midnight drop into Saddam's back yard.....
paxx
Reply #30 Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:11 PM
Reply #30 Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:11 PM
bakerstreet, I don't know either way for sure. There is no proof that they have been tortuerd or not so far. We'll know when the war is over I guess.
In one hand, I hear that she had been recued and said herself that she had been treated relatively OK, on the other hand I hear that story that somebody posted the link to the other day. The problem too is that I hear nowhere else a confirmation of that story. So it it true, is it not? I don't know. Plus, there is something in the way that that article is written that make it sound like a Harlequin novel.
I am sure the Irakis are quite capable of attrocities, they proved it in 1991, but I haven't heard a proof of it in this war so far. I keep expecting to read something about that, but I'm still waiting.
In one hand, I hear that she had been recued and said herself that she had been treated relatively OK, on the other hand I hear that story that somebody posted the link to the other day. The problem too is that I hear nowhere else a confirmation of that story. So it it true, is it not? I don't know. Plus, there is something in the way that that article is written that make it sound like a Harlequin novel.
I am sure the Irakis are quite capable of attrocities, they proved it in 1991, but I haven't heard a proof of it in this war so far. I keep expecting to read something about that, but I'm still waiting.
JamMeister33
Reply #31 Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:13 PM
Reply #31 Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:13 PM
I'm not willing to give the Iraqi's the benefit of a doubt, I say they are guilty until proven innocent...
USA-AvengingAngel-MOAB
Reply #32 Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:32 PM
Reply #32 Sunday, April 6, 2003 1:32 PM
No..your not...im 100% behind this "war" Saddam must go..and any other "ruler" who treats ppl the way he does.Bush is what most of us...in times of National Security wish we had more often..a President with a set of testicles. Is there a direct link between terrorist's and Iraq?...probably not...would Saddam sell or give a terrorist some nastey weapon to use on us if possible..you bettter believe it! God Bless America...and are troops! 
da_zman20
Reply #33 Sunday, April 6, 2003 2:14 PM
Reply #33 Sunday, April 6, 2003 2:14 PM
Paxx no offense meant, but what country do you live in??? BBC and CNN have pictures of the tourture rooms in Iraq, they've found families starved to death within the first couple days of fighting, people who spoke to the news crews had their tounges cut out, and they were hung from a tree and murdered. The proof of the evil has been shown here. Traces of chemical weapons found in Iraq, Mustard Gas in the river where the people drink from. All since this war began. Soldiers using families as human shields, puting their own people in areas where bombs will be dropped, all of this has been on American, and British TV. They found thousands of dead bodies, and all of the food sent previously as humanitarian aid in boxes, never distributed to the people, left for the soldiers to eat, while the people starve. I've seen all of this here in America, and on clips from the BBC. Many more things of this sort have happened. They found Meat hooks that people were hung from and tortured, places where women were taken and raped, and rooms where people were electicuted, in the police station. They found Antidotes for Mustard Gas, and Athrax in stockpiles in a hospital, as well as gas masks, and more guns and ammunition than you could ever imagine, all this, in a hospital. Saddam Huesein is a terrible man, and these are a few of the crimes documented since the start of this war. that's why i'm cursious where you live Paxx, i'm wondering if maybe the countries who are against the war are trying to hide these things from their people.
paxx
Reply #34 Sunday, April 6, 2003 2:48 PM
Reply #34 Sunday, April 6, 2003 2:48 PM
da_zman, I know the Iraki regime as been attrocious with its own people, I've said it many times. My previous post was just meant for POWs.
Santos_X13
Reply #35 Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:11 PM
Reply #35 Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:11 PM
I also find there religion Attrocious. not only is it inhumane to treat women like they do they treat them secong class. Which i find distgusting and gross right now my little brother which is only a kid he's four years old. He would have more power then my mom within our household thats so much crap. if my mom ever questioned me i would be forced to slap her there would be no saying no because you would have been raised like that and thats how your lifestyles would have been. I guess im with you Jam but on the way to saddams back yard can we hit up Mecca as well. Those sand rats need to die not only for there cruelty but for there imcompatice of women and children.
paxx
Reply #36 Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:18 PM
Reply #36 Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:18 PM
Oh, da_zman, about the fact that it wasn't a real hospital, I didn't reply first cause it came as a surprise to me. I had assumed it was a real hospital since they kept refering to it as a "hospital". But I am all for believing you.
But just one thing occured to me. I remembered something about that link provided in the other thread, relating the story of that Iraki guy who risked his life to save the American woman soldier. Somethnig doesn't fit. Either, da_zman, your information isn't correct, or that article is really (like I tended to believe) a very cheap made up story.
You see, that article ( http://msnbc.com/news/895233.asp ) starts like this:
Mohammed, a gregarious 32-year-old Iraqi lawyer, went by the hospital in Nasiriyah one day last week to visit his wife, who worked there as a nurse, when he noticed the ominous presence of security agents.
Then, the next paragraph says:
"CURIOUS, HE asked around, and a doctor friend told him an American soldier was being held there. Something made him want to go see. The doctor took him to a first-floor emergency wing where he pointed out the soldier through a glass interior window — a young woman lying in a bed, bandaged and covered in a white blanket."
So, anyway. That is why I don't believe everything. They just don't match. Something is not true here. I don't know which, either what you heard da_zman is false, or this article is. But there are just too many things like this in this war, enough to not automatically believe everything.
But just one thing occured to me. I remembered something about that link provided in the other thread, relating the story of that Iraki guy who risked his life to save the American woman soldier. Somethnig doesn't fit. Either, da_zman, your information isn't correct, or that article is really (like I tended to believe) a very cheap made up story.
You see, that article ( http://msnbc.com/news/895233.asp ) starts like this:
Mohammed, a gregarious 32-year-old Iraqi lawyer, went by the hospital in Nasiriyah one day last week to visit his wife, who worked there as a nurse, when he noticed the ominous presence of security agents.
Then, the next paragraph says:
"CURIOUS, HE asked around, and a doctor friend told him an American soldier was being held there. Something made him want to go see. The doctor took him to a first-floor emergency wing where he pointed out the soldier through a glass interior window — a young woman lying in a bed, bandaged and covered in a white blanket."
So, anyway. That is why I don't believe everything. They just don't match. Something is not true here. I don't know which, either what you heard da_zman is false, or this article is. But there are just too many things like this in this war, enough to not automatically believe everything.
bakerstreet
Reply #37 Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:18 PM
Reply #37 Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:18 PM
Paxx: I'll restate. The Iraqi gentleman that tipped off the US forces did so *because* she was being tortured. Was it with a car battery? I dunno, but I'm not gonna ponder what repeated slaps in the face feel like when you have broken vertebrae. Official statements have been made that the bodies found of US soldiers showed signs of torture. If you doubt official statements, just go on and doubt it all. You'll win ever arguement.
I know you are trying to be objective, but the fact is you shouldn't always be. How can you grant skepticism to the US and the benefit of the doubt to Iraqis? I know of no POWs that were ever well-treated by the Iraqis, so to me it is far more odd to assume they are treating POWs well than to assume they aren't. I don't *need* any more proof of how they treat POWs, I have decades worth of evidence.
Sure, they might turn over a new leaf, but sadly when such things happen, scum bear the burden of proving that they aren't scum. I really don't care how that reflects on me. I don't value the lives of people who torture others. Not a quantitive comparison of value, I don't value them *at all*.
I know you are trying to be objective, but the fact is you shouldn't always be. How can you grant skepticism to the US and the benefit of the doubt to Iraqis? I know of no POWs that were ever well-treated by the Iraqis, so to me it is far more odd to assume they are treating POWs well than to assume they aren't. I don't *need* any more proof of how they treat POWs, I have decades worth of evidence.
Sure, they might turn over a new leaf, but sadly when such things happen, scum bear the burden of proving that they aren't scum. I really don't care how that reflects on me. I don't value the lives of people who torture others. Not a quantitive comparison of value, I don't value them *at all*.
paxx
Reply #38 Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:22 PM
Reply #38 Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:22 PM
Santos: just FYI, Iraq is one of the countries in the middle east where women are the best treated. There are women even in the government.
That doesn't make Iraq a wonderful place, far from it, but at least, on this specific matter, they are sort of almost OK.
That doesn't make Iraq a wonderful place, far from it, but at least, on this specific matter, they are sort of almost OK.
paxx
Reply #39 Sunday, April 6, 2003 4:03 PM
Reply #39 Sunday, April 6, 2003 4:03 PM
bakerstreet, you were writting your message when I posted my last one, so you didn't read it. So, I guess I could just refer you to it for my answer.
That and the fact that military propaganda has been a part of every war, in every country, since modern communication exist. I don't see why this particular war should be any different.
That and the fact that military propaganda has been a part of every war, in every country, since modern communication exist. I don't see why this particular war should be any different.
Santos_X13
Reply #40 Sunday, April 6, 2003 4:09 PM
Reply #40 Sunday, April 6, 2003 4:09 PM
Paxx i not talking about Iraq im talking about the Muslim religion in there religion women are second class. They use there own Wifes as shield for Godsakes!
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Reply #21 Sunday, April 6, 2003 11:57 AM
I don't need no stinking draft, all I need is a surreptitious night time drop into the hot zone with mega weaponry and armour and maybe kona with me and we is a killin' machine baby..... anyone else want to volunteer for the JM33 commando unit?
We got kona, we got Styl, we got bordfryr123, we got GA to train us, we goin' in baby!!!!!!!!