OK - now I'm upset!
Sunday, March 23, 2003 by _Martin_ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I know that this is a skinning group, but it seems OK to occasionally post general comment
We all know that in warfare propaganda is rife and that we cannot always trust the media, but the reports of friendly fire are really starting to upset me here.
In the Gulf war, the UK seemed to lose more troops from US fire than Iraqi fire, and now it's happening again.
OK, so I appreciate the British army lost 2 helicopters as they collided in darkness, but so far the US has shot down a British plane (http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/news/iraq/article.html?in_article_id=173154&in_page_id=1625) and killed a British news crew (http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/news/iraq/article.html?in_page_id=1625&in_article_id=173147).
It now appears that a US soldier has been detained for throwing grenades into a command tent.
What the hell is going on! The US parades what it claims to be the greatest army on the planet. Well, from what I see it may be great in mass, but appart from that ....
Now I don't want to provoke a severe flaming here as I know that there was no malice in attacking friendly troops and civilians, but it's just really upsetting that this incompetance keeps occuring!
We all know that in warfare propaganda is rife and that we cannot always trust the media, but the reports of friendly fire are really starting to upset me here.
In the Gulf war, the UK seemed to lose more troops from US fire than Iraqi fire, and now it's happening again.
OK, so I appreciate the British army lost 2 helicopters as they collided in darkness, but so far the US has shot down a British plane (http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/news/iraq/article.html?in_article_id=173154&in_page_id=1625) and killed a British news crew (http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/news/iraq/article.html?in_page_id=1625&in_article_id=173147).
It now appears that a US soldier has been detained for throwing grenades into a command tent.
What the hell is going on! The US parades what it claims to be the greatest army on the planet. Well, from what I see it may be great in mass, but appart from that ....
Now I don't want to provoke a severe flaming here as I know that there was no malice in attacking friendly troops and civilians, but it's just really upsetting that this incompetance keeps occuring!
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IPlural
Reply #42 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:31 AM
Reply #42 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:31 AM
so it wasn't just me reading things into posts...
sorry thats happening, you nore anyone else deserves such from anyone for any reason...
sorry thats happening, you nore anyone else deserves such from anyone for any reason...
bakerstreet
Reply #43 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:00 AM
Reply #43 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:00 AM
Frogboy: I tend to set a particular tone when I post. I take as much or more credit for lowering the standards of practice to 'offensively patronizing' as anyone. I deserve as much venom as wombat for such, if for no other reason than to prevent an unintended double-standard. I'll do my best to raise the standards of my posts.
_Martin_
Reply #45 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 5:00 AM
Reply #45 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 5:00 AM
Frogboy: Can we just bin this thread?
In my original thread I indicated it was just a comment, and I didn't want to spark any more "wars".
As such please can we just delete this thread - the original point being made had been lost.
In my original thread I indicated it was just a comment, and I didn't want to spark any more "wars".
As such please can we just delete this thread - the original point being made had been lost.
kona0197
Reply #47 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:46 AM
Reply #47 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:46 AM
To all those of you from the UK. I'm sorry about your luck. But I do not appriciate the rips on my contry in this thread. I am a America, and proud.
BTW you Brits have lost more men than the US. What does that tell you?
BTW you Brits have lost more men than the US. What does that tell you?
kona0197
Reply #48 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:50 AM
Reply #48 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:50 AM
@ frogboy and post #42:
You could always point Wombat in the direction of deviantart.com. They don't seem to care at all when people slander or call each other names.
You could always point Wombat in the direction of deviantart.com. They don't seem to care at all when people slander or call each other names.
_Martin_
Reply #49 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:56 AM
Reply #49 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:56 AM
kona0197: Please don't start this off again. I'm trying to wind down this thread. Lets not be provocative. 
Jafo
Reply #50 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:02 AM
Reply #50 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:02 AM
kona...#48 tells you that there are more grieving families in England than in the US...nothing more.
Now drop it.
Now drop it.
kona0197
Reply #51 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:03 AM
Reply #51 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:03 AM
Sorry. I don't like people saying bad things about Americans. Sorry. I'll shut up now. 
IPlural
Reply #53 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:25 AM
Reply #53 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:25 AM
no need to point anyone anywhere is there?
kona, hows the DesktopX going?
I am just starting to mess with it myself, finally
kona, hows the DesktopX going?
I am just starting to mess with it myself, finally
paxx
Reply #54 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:54 AM
Reply #54 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:54 AM
Sorry if I post more, but this is just question.
What is a IFF, or Friend or Foe thingy?
I had no idea such a thing existed. How does it work? A loud speaker shouting "Hey, I'm a good guy!!" ? heheh! No, serious, I'm curious, what the heck is it?
What is a IFF, or Friend or Foe thingy?
I had no idea such a thing existed. How does it work? A loud speaker shouting "Hey, I'm a good guy!!" ? heheh! No, serious, I'm curious, what the heck is it?
SLOWTYPER
Reply #55 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:15 PM
Reply #55 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:15 PM
Old military me will answer. IFF (Identification, Friend or Foe) has been around since the 2nd world war. All comershal airliners use a similar system so they can be tracked on Radar. Military IFF systems use incripted signals that are changed at least every 24 Hours, the codes can not be broken and failures of the system are extreamly rare but happen. The Brits had to have had a malfunction as they would never fly in a threat arena with the system off. They should have been able to tell that they were being painted so I don't quite understand why they did'nt squawk emergency. S--- happens in war, Damn shame good people are lost. 
SLOWTYPER
Reply #56 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:16 PM
Reply #56 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:16 PM
Old military me will answer. IFF (Identification, Friend or Foe) has been around since the 2nd world war. All comershal airliners use a similar system so they can be tracked on Radar. Military IFF systems use incripted signals that are changed at least every 24 Hours, the codes can not be broken and failures of the system are extreamly rare but happen. The Brits had to have had a malfunction as they would never fly in a threat arena with the system off. They should have been able to tell that they were being painted so I don't quite understand why they did'nt squawk emergency. S--- happens in war, Damn shame good people are lost.
SLOWTYPER
Reply #57 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:23 PM
Reply #57 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:23 PM
Sorry about the double hit and spelling. Paxx, to be more specific. The IFF system is a Transceiver that will answer a challenge signal from a RADAR with a coded message that will appear on the RADAR screen telling the operator that the aircraft is a friendly
SLOWTYPER
Reply #59 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:30 PM
Reply #59 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:30 PM
Thanks, IPlural, My mouse gets jumpy when my shakey hand gets close!
paxx
Reply #60 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:55 PM
Reply #60 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:55 PM
Cool. Basically it's an automated and modern version of the secret password "Open Sesame" huh?
Thanks for the info. I'll go to bed less stupid tinight.
Thanks for the info. I'll go to bed less stupid tinight.
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Reply #41 Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:22 AM
I really have no use for you or your crappy attitude. If you have such a problem with everything I write, why do you even hang out here?
You've never apologized for calling me a fascist in that other thread. You have one day to adjust your attitude or you will no longer have an account here. Do you understand? This is your final warning.
Make no mistake, I am the admin here. I don't have to take any crap. And I won't. If you want to participate in discussions here you will learn to treat others with minimal respect. That includes not being offensively patronizing, calling people fascists, nazis, or other such names, etc.
I am sure there are plenty of sites where they welcome people who hold other people in such contempt in their conversations. But not here.