US is going to war tomarrow... dang...
Sunday, March 16, 2003 by IPlural | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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joetheblow
Reply #742 Friday, March 21, 2003 10:51 PM
Reply #742 Friday, March 21, 2003 10:51 PM
Speaking of Freedom fires...
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p10s02-comv.html
I wonder if the people who thought of changing the name to Freedom Fires thought of the consciquinces of that... Freedom Fries?? give me a break.
ok, ok, now I'll go to bed.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p10s02-comv.html
I wonder if the people who thought of changing the name to Freedom Fires thought of the consciquinces of that... Freedom Fries?? give me a break.
ok, ok, now I'll go to bed.
IPlural
Reply #744 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:03 PM
Reply #744 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:03 PM
oh I dunno, they got nukes and one hell of a military machine, so I am thinking they are not on any list, well, not penned in anyway pencil and really lightly...
I'd probably look to Iran of down the the Philippines, soon or later push will be beyond shove and everyone will either come un glued, or everyone will roll over, anyone taking bets?
I'd probably look to Iran of down the the Philippines, soon or later push will be beyond shove and everyone will either come un glued, or everyone will roll over, anyone taking bets?
paxx
Reply #745 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:14 PM
Reply #745 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:14 PM
Joe: Very cute! hehehe!
IP: Well, North Korea is in that axe of Evil... I say North Korea is next. After that, hum... I know Cuba bugs the hell out of the USA. Maybe a little pressure over there...
IP: Well, North Korea is in that axe of Evil... I say North Korea is next. After that, hum... I know Cuba bugs the hell out of the USA. Maybe a little pressure over there...
WOM
Reply #746 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:21 PM
Reply #746 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:21 PM
The action against Iraq has started so how come this thread is still going on? 
paxx
Reply #747 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:30 PM
Reply #747 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:30 PM
Cause we don't want to open a new thread. This one does the job. 
WOM
Reply #749 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:34 PM
Reply #749 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:34 PM
I was waiting for that abortion thread Frogboy suggested.Oh well.
paxx
Reply #750 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:43 PM
Reply #750 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:43 PM
Hey WOM, I've noticed that most pro abortion people are against death penalty, while most anti abortion people are in favour of the death penalty.
Isn't that funny?
I wonder where the pro war / anti war people stand in there...
I would tend to guess that most pro war people are probably pro death penalty. But I'm assuming, I don't know really.
(How's that WOM? Nice transition from one topic to the other?)
Isn't that funny?
I wonder where the pro war / anti war people stand in there...
I would tend to guess that most pro war people are probably pro death penalty. But I'm assuming, I don't know really.
(How's that WOM? Nice transition from one topic to the other?)
WOM
Reply #751 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 PM
Reply #751 Friday, March 21, 2003 11:47 PM
paxx, I'am against abortion on demand but all for the death penalty. 
Wierd isn't it.
Wierd isn't it.
Skip2Maloo
Reply #752 Saturday, March 22, 2003 2:15 AM
Reply #752 Saturday, March 22, 2003 2:15 AM
I do not believe it is our place to overthrow any government. We are not the police nor the conscience of the world and we have no business acting as if we are.
But I also wholeheartedly believe this regime very much needs to be overthrown. That said, if it must be overthrown I want it to be us that does it. Imagine France or Russia or Germany branding that region with their own peculiar politics. Better our peculiarities than theirs.
I do not believe we should have gone to war, but I do not believe we should let Saddam remain in power one minute longer than necessary. The choice is a common one: the lesser of two evils.
Imperfect action is a better choice than the most perfect inaction.
But I also wholeheartedly believe this regime very much needs to be overthrown. That said, if it must be overthrown I want it to be us that does it. Imagine France or Russia or Germany branding that region with their own peculiar politics. Better our peculiarities than theirs.
I do not believe we should have gone to war, but I do not believe we should let Saddam remain in power one minute longer than necessary. The choice is a common one: the lesser of two evils.
Imperfect action is a better choice than the most perfect inaction.
DavidK
Reply #753 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:24 AM
Reply #753 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:24 AM
I just saw joetheblow's link on Freedom Fries... that was hysterical
Last night with our dinner we had DicTater-Tots... lol
paxx - I think Iran is the next actual 'target' from what the Senate has been saying. If this 'regime change" thing gets some wind behind it America will run out of Generals cause they'll all be off being presidents in little countries.
North Korea is a very weird situation. I feel nervous about something there. The Reverand Moon (billionaire moonies guy) is one of the strongest financial influences in N. Korea. I've heard it said that he owns Kim Jong Il but I don't know if that's accurate. Something disturbing though is Rev. Moon "bought" Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (lock, stock and barrel). Both those guys are White House regulars. Reverand Moon has these mass weddings and bizare giant gatherings for his faithful moonies. At every one for the last several years George Bush Sr. has been either the keynote speaker or a special guest. He isn't listed on the program usually but there are plenty of photos from these things and he's always there at the podium standing at the right hand of the strange Reverand.
There seems to be a belief among the Christian Coalition guys that a nuclear war is necessary to fulfill the Biblical prophecies about Armageddon which preceeds the second coming. We all know now Ronald Reagan was convinced it would happen on his watch, but he was dissapointed. Hal Lindsay is a big proponent of this idea as is Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. I don't know if Moon is into the same theory but I know there's supposed to be some world event that signals that it's time for him to reveal to the world that he's Jesus returned. Pretty scary since Moon's world empire is so huge and he has so much political influence. There's a reason the many reverands are hanging with the Bushes and it's awfully weird that they all seem to now be "moonies".
Last night with our dinner we had DicTater-Tots... lol
paxx - I think Iran is the next actual 'target' from what the Senate has been saying. If this 'regime change" thing gets some wind behind it America will run out of Generals cause they'll all be off being presidents in little countries.
North Korea is a very weird situation. I feel nervous about something there. The Reverand Moon (billionaire moonies guy) is one of the strongest financial influences in N. Korea. I've heard it said that he owns Kim Jong Il but I don't know if that's accurate. Something disturbing though is Rev. Moon "bought" Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (lock, stock and barrel). Both those guys are White House regulars. Reverand Moon has these mass weddings and bizare giant gatherings for his faithful moonies. At every one for the last several years George Bush Sr. has been either the keynote speaker or a special guest. He isn't listed on the program usually but there are plenty of photos from these things and he's always there at the podium standing at the right hand of the strange Reverand.
There seems to be a belief among the Christian Coalition guys that a nuclear war is necessary to fulfill the Biblical prophecies about Armageddon which preceeds the second coming. We all know now Ronald Reagan was convinced it would happen on his watch, but he was dissapointed. Hal Lindsay is a big proponent of this idea as is Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. I don't know if Moon is into the same theory but I know there's supposed to be some world event that signals that it's time for him to reveal to the world that he's Jesus returned. Pretty scary since Moon's world empire is so huge and he has so much political influence. There's a reason the many reverands are hanging with the Bushes and it's awfully weird that they all seem to now be "moonies".
kona0197
Reply #754 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:30 AM
Reply #754 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:30 AM
I just got this little Poll off of msn.com.
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IRAQ WAR POLL
Are war protests anti-American?
Yes
46%
No
34%
No, but they distract police
17%
I don't know
4%
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I guess a bunch of other people think the way I do. It's un-american to protest.
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IRAQ WAR POLL
Are war protests anti-American?
Yes
46%
No
34%
No, but they distract police
17%
I don't know
4%
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I guess a bunch of other people think the way I do. It's un-american to protest.
DavidK
Reply #755 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:31 AM
Reply #755 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:31 AM
oh, I forgot to include the part about Moon teaching his followers that he is the second coming of Christ. They believe this and refer to him and his wife as "first father and first mother' or something like that.
DavidK
Reply #756 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:40 AM
Reply #756 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:40 AM
kona - it would only be un-american to protest if we threw away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and started spelling America with a 'k' instead of a 'c'.
There are many people including Senators, Judges, Foriegn Service Officers, FBI agents etc etc that are protesting both this war and the Bush administration's policies. As long as America remains true to the ideals of the founding fathers and the true American values that make this a great country, there will continue to be dissent. If there are no opposing opinions and no debate on public issues and government policies, we're all screwed.
There are many people including Senators, Judges, Foriegn Service Officers, FBI agents etc etc that are protesting both this war and the Bush administration's policies. As long as America remains true to the ideals of the founding fathers and the true American values that make this a great country, there will continue to be dissent. If there are no opposing opinions and no debate on public issues and government policies, we're all screwed.
kona0197
Reply #757 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:51 AM
Reply #757 Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:51 AM
go to www.msn.com and take the poll. Ever watched that xXx with vin diesel? we truly are not free here. cause if we were, we could walk into a store a take a piss on the cheese. And as far as the constitution, I believe in it and support. But notice how they are taking your guns away? Wake up and smell the coffee. I was just trying to point out others agree with me. So a bunch of people think it is un-american to protest. I don't think protesters should be put in jail. I think they should be put on the front line.
moshi
Reply #758 Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:16 AM
Reply #758 Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:16 AM
taking the poll:
34% (no)
+17% (no, but they distract police)
_____
51%
Hollywood action movies? i thought it´s still a serious debate.
34% (no)
+17% (no, but they distract police)
_____
51%
Hollywood action movies? i thought it´s still a serious debate.
Jafo
Reply #759 Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:30 AM
Reply #759 Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:30 AM
kona...neither MSN, nor Hollywood is 'real'.
Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see....
Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see....
kona0197
Reply #760 Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:41 AM
Reply #760 Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:41 AM
Yeah I agree. MSN does suck and so does Microsoft for that matter. Good advice Jafo, where would I be without you. I did read something local that caught my eye. It seems the war is here in the US not in Iraq. Here is a short read from the article:
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PORTLAND -- Police in Portland arrested about 135 protesters after a day of freewheeling anti-war demonstrations shut down several bridges, freeways and intersections. Late Thursday, police warned hundreds of protesters at the foot of the Burnside Bridge to leave the area.
Some left, but about 100 seated themselves on the rain-slicked road and linked arms in defiance. Soon after, police began picking up the seated demonstrators one-by-one, and putting them in police vans. Most of those arrested Thursday were charged with disorderly conduct or criminal mischief, Police spokesman Sgt. Brian Schmautz said.
Police used pepper spray to clear crowds near the bridge and threatened people on a nearby street with "impact weapons and chemical spray." Thousands participated in the day's demonstrations. Schmautz said one policeman received 10 stitches after being hit by a flying object during a confrontation with protesters at the Steel Bridge on the edge of downtown.
Elsewhere, protesters set an American flag on fire. Across the Willamette River, one protester smashed in three windows at McDonald's, while another sprayed graffiti on a sign at a Shell gas station. "I like the idea of shutting down commerce and the city to counteract Bush's economic motives for this war," said Eric Anholt, 19, of Portland.
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Seems to me that Iraq is the lest of our worries. I hope Mr. Bush is watching and listening to them.
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PORTLAND -- Police in Portland arrested about 135 protesters after a day of freewheeling anti-war demonstrations shut down several bridges, freeways and intersections. Late Thursday, police warned hundreds of protesters at the foot of the Burnside Bridge to leave the area.
Some left, but about 100 seated themselves on the rain-slicked road and linked arms in defiance. Soon after, police began picking up the seated demonstrators one-by-one, and putting them in police vans. Most of those arrested Thursday were charged with disorderly conduct or criminal mischief, Police spokesman Sgt. Brian Schmautz said.
Police used pepper spray to clear crowds near the bridge and threatened people on a nearby street with "impact weapons and chemical spray." Thousands participated in the day's demonstrations. Schmautz said one policeman received 10 stitches after being hit by a flying object during a confrontation with protesters at the Steel Bridge on the edge of downtown.
Elsewhere, protesters set an American flag on fire. Across the Willamette River, one protester smashed in three windows at McDonald's, while another sprayed graffiti on a sign at a Shell gas station. "I like the idea of shutting down commerce and the city to counteract Bush's economic motives for this war," said Eric Anholt, 19, of Portland.
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Seems to me that Iraq is the lest of our worries. I hope Mr. Bush is watching and listening to them.
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Reply #741 Friday, March 21, 2003 10:45 PM
But anyway, back on topic. Only a small contingent of 1,500 Turkish crossed the border, but there are 10,000 more stationned on the Turkish side of the border.
US has urged them to not attack as they don't want to have a war within the war happening. In what situation would the US troops be, if cought in the middle of a Turkey/Kurd battle? Certainly one they don't want to be in.
Will Turkey listen to the US?
Well, chances are that once Hussein's government gone, the Kurds of the north of Irak will either declare their independance from Irak or seek to obtain power in the new Iraki government. Either of the two is bad news for Turkey.
Lets not forget that Turkey is not a nice country either. The Kurds of Turkey are victims of the Turkish governement, have no autonomy and absolutely no representation at the government. Further more thousands of Kurds were killed in Turkey over the last 2 to 3 decades. If the Iraki Kurds get more autonomy, the Turkish Kurds will certainly take the arms to seek their own autonomy as well.
Turkey needs to avoid this. A way for them to do that is to take control over the Iraki Kurds so they do NOT get that autonomy.
And of course, there is also that question of oil. North of Irak is very rich in oil.