Possible Rips
Monday, March 3, 2003 by Weaksid | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
http://my.opera.com/customize/skins/index.pl?author=433
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da_zman20
Reply #83 Friday, March 7, 2003 2:51 PM
Reply #83 Friday, March 7, 2003 2:51 PM
i have recieved 2 emails back from this gentleman... he states that he has permission from mormegil and food to use the icons... and he says he is trying to get permission from Alexandrie, and Treetog... here are the emails...
[Email 1]
Dear Andrew Dzieman.
Answering your letter I can tell the following.
1. I have received the sanction from author FauxS icons the sanction to use of his images.
2. I have apologized before author CopperDeckII and Sputnik for use without the permission
of him icons and asked of the sanction to this use. Now I wait the answer.
3. I do not render the loss to all people listed by you. All products listed by you are
distributed free-of-charge. Except for Orion and Toon-XP.
But also to authors of these styles I do not bring the loss and even on the contrary -
I promote rise of sales of their products. I have not made skins for programs Stardock.
And I did not see skin for Opera 7 made by all listed authors. Programs Stardock are not
widely known among users. Offering the skins I create advertising to these products.
4. I do not sell these skin! I do not receive any commercial benefits! I have specified
authors of the used products. I only want that people could take pleasure at work with
the favourite program.
Yours faithfully,
Best regards,
Volter mailto:[email protected]
[End email 1]
[email 2]
Dear Andrew Dzieman.
I want to add to the previous letter.
I have received the sanction to use iconsets belonging Paul Boyer.
I have received the sanction from Foood.
So you have nothing to worry...
)
--
Best regards,
Volter mailto:[email protected]
[end email 2]
Just wondering... he seems like a nice enough guy... hmm... the only thing is his use of Toon-xp, and Orion... I wonder what stardock would think of that.... hmmm.... and if he did get permission... hmmm... he didn't include any documents with the skin like mormegil would have him do... confusing...
[Email 1]
Dear Andrew Dzieman.
Answering your letter I can tell the following.
1. I have received the sanction from author FauxS icons the sanction to use of his images.
2. I have apologized before author CopperDeckII and Sputnik for use without the permission
of him icons and asked of the sanction to this use. Now I wait the answer.
3. I do not render the loss to all people listed by you. All products listed by you are
distributed free-of-charge. Except for Orion and Toon-XP.
But also to authors of these styles I do not bring the loss and even on the contrary -
I promote rise of sales of their products. I have not made skins for programs Stardock.
And I did not see skin for Opera 7 made by all listed authors. Programs Stardock are not
widely known among users. Offering the skins I create advertising to these products.
4. I do not sell these skin! I do not receive any commercial benefits! I have specified
authors of the used products. I only want that people could take pleasure at work with
the favourite program.
Yours faithfully,
Best regards,
Volter mailto:[email protected]
[End email 1]
[email 2]
Dear Andrew Dzieman.
I want to add to the previous letter.
I have received the sanction to use iconsets belonging Paul Boyer.
I have received the sanction from Foood.
So you have nothing to worry...
)--
Best regards,
Volter mailto:[email protected]
[end email 2]
Just wondering... he seems like a nice enough guy... hmm... the only thing is his use of Toon-xp, and Orion... I wonder what stardock would think of that.... hmmm.... and if he did get permission... hmmm... he didn't include any documents with the skin like mormegil would have him do... confusing...
da_zman20
Reply #85 Sunday, March 9, 2003 2:35 PM
Reply #85 Sunday, March 9, 2003 2:35 PM
are we done with this now... or do we go further... I was hoping someone had something to say... hmmm... what should we do now... ??? just leave it be??? hmmm... 
stark23x
Reply #86 Sunday, March 9, 2003 3:36 PM
Reply #86 Sunday, March 9, 2003 3:36 PM
Wow, he just doesn't get it.
HEY BUDDY, THAT'S NOT YOUR WORK, YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHERE AND WHEN IT'S USED!
*sigh* Sometimes I like screaming into the void...
HEY BUDDY, THAT'S NOT YOUR WORK, YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHERE AND WHEN IT'S USED!
*sigh* Sometimes I like screaming into the void...
da_zman20
Reply #87 Sunday, March 9, 2003 4:16 PM
... you are right stark... I was hoping Mormegil, or Treetog would come into the message board and give their thoughts... and let us know wether he has permission or not... hmmm... well... I sent a message to opera with no response as of yet... that was a couple days ago... hmmm
Reply #87 Sunday, March 9, 2003 4:16 PM
... you are right stark... I was hoping Mormegil, or Treetog would come into the message board and give their thoughts... and let us know wether he has permission or not... hmmm... well... I sent a message to opera with no response as of yet... that was a couple days ago... hmmm
Jafo
Reply #88 Monday, March 10, 2003 7:42 AM
Reply #88 Monday, March 10, 2003 7:42 AM
The policy of these skinners is NOT to give their permission AFTER the fact....ONLY 'before'.
Ask first and generally consent will follow.
Fail to ask and REFUSAL is guaranteed.
I emailed Opera....and have not received a response as yet...but will continue to demand the work is removed as it is a clear theft of property rights, pursuable in Law.
RuderThenYou....I do not jump down everyone's throats...but likewise I do not think praise for a ripper's 'skill' is warranted, either....certainly not on a skinning site...perhaps on a warez one that matches the mind-set of the thief.
I spend more than just a little of my time chasing down creeps like this one who are quick to take claim for others' work and defend it with every lame excuse imaginable.
His are nothing new, nor are they valid.
Ask first and generally consent will follow.
Fail to ask and REFUSAL is guaranteed.
I emailed Opera....and have not received a response as yet...but will continue to demand the work is removed as it is a clear theft of property rights, pursuable in Law.
RuderThenYou....I do not jump down everyone's throats...but likewise I do not think praise for a ripper's 'skill' is warranted, either....certainly not on a skinning site...perhaps on a warez one that matches the mind-set of the thief.
I spend more than just a little of my time chasing down creeps like this one who are quick to take claim for others' work and defend it with every lame excuse imaginable.
His are nothing new, nor are they valid.
Stumpy
Reply #89 Monday, March 10, 2003 8:01 AM
Reply #89 Monday, March 10, 2003 8:01 AM
Seeing as ToonXP is actually purchased I don't see the authors allowing anybody to give it away for free, I purchased this product and completely disagree with any person that would give away for free work that someone has spent time (and possibly money) on.
This person should stood against a wall and shot - Severly of course.
This person should stood against a wall and shot - Severly of course.
da_zman20
Reply #90 Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:49 AM
Reply #90 Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:49 AM
i am glad that we are on this together Jafo, I was worried you had given up... ... I left a message on Opera's website, since no email address was available... but I mentioned the skinner and asked also that his skins be removed... I tried to emphasize the fact that Toon xp is a copyrighted product that is sold, as well as Orion.
... I left a message on Opera's website, since no email address was available... but I mentioned the skinner and asked also that his skins be removed... I tried to emphasize the fact that Toon xp is a copyrighted product that is sold, as well as Orion.
Jafo
Reply #91 Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:17 AM
Reply #91 Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:17 AM
To Volter.....
It appears that you are displaying numerous images and skins on Opera.com originally created by authors other than yourself.
Although images are freely available for download on the Internet, they are EXPRESSLY for PERSONAL USE, which does not include the reproduction and redistribution of them via another site such as this.
The modification, and/or re-distribution of an artist's images without his/her express permission is in violation of the Artist's Copyright, and is pursuable in law.
Whether these images link to the original artist's site or not, or whether the Original artist is credited or not, without PRIOR PERMISSION to display such, you are in violation of inherent and/or expressed copyright.
In particular, some of the images you have STOLEN are from themes which are sold to the public and are NOT free. These are therefore examples/instances of PROPERTY THEFT and not just Copyright theft.
I strongly suggest you remove any such images for which you do not have permission to display via verification of author, and minimize the potential for litigation against you and subsequent claims for loss.
I await your favourable response.
Paul Martin
Jafo
[Admin...Wincustomize.com]
[Admin...Pixtudio.com]
[Senior Member...Deviantart.com]
It appears that you are displaying numerous images and skins on Opera.com originally created by authors other than yourself.
Although images are freely available for download on the Internet, they are EXPRESSLY for PERSONAL USE, which does not include the reproduction and redistribution of them via another site such as this.
The modification, and/or re-distribution of an artist's images without his/her express permission is in violation of the Artist's Copyright, and is pursuable in law.
Whether these images link to the original artist's site or not, or whether the Original artist is credited or not, without PRIOR PERMISSION to display such, you are in violation of inherent and/or expressed copyright.
In particular, some of the images you have STOLEN are from themes which are sold to the public and are NOT free. These are therefore examples/instances of PROPERTY THEFT and not just Copyright theft.
I strongly suggest you remove any such images for which you do not have permission to display via verification of author, and minimize the potential for litigation against you and subsequent claims for loss.
I await your favourable response.
Paul Martin
Jafo
[Admin...Wincustomize.com]
[Admin...Pixtudio.com]
[Senior Member...Deviantart.com]
Jafo
Reply #93 Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:10 PM
Reply #93 Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:10 PM
My most recent email....
Volter...
Your English is quite good.
However the images you have used are not yours. They belong to other people who drew them themselves.
If you do not ask to use them it means you steal them.
It is as simple as that.
If you see a car in the street you cannot just take it and explain you wanted to show the world how nice a car it is.
It is not yours to take.
treetog and Alexandrie are two who have not given you permission.
That means you MUST remove those images.
As I said, giving credit is not good enough.
That is like....
I STOLE YOUR CAR BUT I PUT YOUR NAME ON IT SO EVERYONE KNOWS IT IS YOURS...BUT I WILL NOT GIVE IT BACK TO YOU.
You need to learn about Copyright Law. It is protected by International convention.
Do you think you would be allowed to use the CocaCola logo without permission? No, you would not, and their lawyers would tell you soon enough. The same applies to any and all graphics images artwork icons unless specific consent is given.
In the case of Alexandrie - treetog - Pixtudio.com this permission WILL NOT be granted.
Please have those images removed immediately.
Do NOT try to wait for consent/approval. It will NOT come.
Thankyou,
Paul Martin
JAFO
Admin Wincustomize.com
Admin Pixtudio.com
Volter's response to my first communication.
Beforehand I apologize for my bad English.
I did not steal images. Which I have made skin - I have made of
screenshot s freely accessible. I have specified authorship that which used.
I specify authors in explanatories and in skin.ini. As I specify e-mail and
the address of a site of the artist.
All skin created by me can be used ONLY with Opera7!
Any of the authors listed by you has not created any skin for this
program.
I do not render the loss to authors of these fine icons!
ON THE CONTRARY! My skins - excellent advertising by that for their products
and for WindowBlinds, IconPackager!
To create a skin for Opera 7 it is not easier than for WB.
And nevertheless I have sent the letter to authors with the offer to
publish my skins under their name. But yet has not received the answer.
I do not know about which authors you speak in the letter. But I can tell that
from the some people I have received the consent to use of their works.
I have received the sanction from Paul Boyer (Mormegil)
I have received the sanction from FOOOD
I have sent some letters Alexandrie but yet have not received the answer.
I have sent the letter with apologies and the offer to publish my
skins under his name Treetog but yet have not received the answer.
If he will demand to remove skins with his images - I shall remove.
I very much respect these the artist and their fine work. Also did not want
anybody to offend and cause from them losses.
I think so. When the artist creates a picture - he wants that the world around
became little bit better. I think that to the artist should be pleasantly know
that his hard work is claimed. I at all have not infringed the right of artists.
On the contrary - I everywhere specify authorship of the images used by me.
To accuse me of larceny at you there are no bases. I agree that my
skins were distributed under other name on a condition that it will be
free-of-charge.
If authors will demand to remove skin with their images - I shall remove!
And still think - whether such good advertising of those which products of the
image I is necessary for you used in the skins.
Once again I ask to excuse my English (translated the program of
translation).
I hope for your answer.
--
Yours faithfully, best regards,
Volter mailto:[email protected]
Volter...
Your English is quite good.
However the images you have used are not yours. They belong to other people who drew them themselves.
If you do not ask to use them it means you steal them.
It is as simple as that.
If you see a car in the street you cannot just take it and explain you wanted to show the world how nice a car it is.
It is not yours to take.
treetog and Alexandrie are two who have not given you permission.
That means you MUST remove those images.
As I said, giving credit is not good enough.
That is like....
I STOLE YOUR CAR BUT I PUT YOUR NAME ON IT SO EVERYONE KNOWS IT IS YOURS...BUT I WILL NOT GIVE IT BACK TO YOU.
You need to learn about Copyright Law. It is protected by International convention.
Do you think you would be allowed to use the CocaCola logo without permission? No, you would not, and their lawyers would tell you soon enough. The same applies to any and all graphics images artwork icons unless specific consent is given.
In the case of Alexandrie - treetog - Pixtudio.com this permission WILL NOT be granted.
Please have those images removed immediately.
Do NOT try to wait for consent/approval. It will NOT come.
Thankyou,
Paul Martin
JAFO
Admin Wincustomize.com
Admin Pixtudio.com
Volter's response to my first communication.
Beforehand I apologize for my bad English.
I did not steal images. Which I have made skin - I have made of
screenshot s freely accessible. I have specified authorship that which used.
I specify authors in explanatories and in skin.ini. As I specify e-mail and
the address of a site of the artist.
All skin created by me can be used ONLY with Opera7!
Any of the authors listed by you has not created any skin for this
program.
I do not render the loss to authors of these fine icons!
ON THE CONTRARY! My skins - excellent advertising by that for their products
and for WindowBlinds, IconPackager!
To create a skin for Opera 7 it is not easier than for WB.
And nevertheless I have sent the letter to authors with the offer to
publish my skins under their name. But yet has not received the answer.
I do not know about which authors you speak in the letter. But I can tell that
from the some people I have received the consent to use of their works.
I have received the sanction from Paul Boyer (Mormegil)
I have received the sanction from FOOOD
I have sent some letters Alexandrie but yet have not received the answer.
I have sent the letter with apologies and the offer to publish my
skins under his name Treetog but yet have not received the answer.
If he will demand to remove skins with his images - I shall remove.
I very much respect these the artist and their fine work. Also did not want
anybody to offend and cause from them losses.
I think so. When the artist creates a picture - he wants that the world around
became little bit better. I think that to the artist should be pleasantly know
that his hard work is claimed. I at all have not infringed the right of artists.
On the contrary - I everywhere specify authorship of the images used by me.
To accuse me of larceny at you there are no bases. I agree that my
skins were distributed under other name on a condition that it will be
free-of-charge.
If authors will demand to remove skin with their images - I shall remove!
And still think - whether such good advertising of those which products of the
image I is necessary for you used in the skins.
Once again I ask to excuse my English (translated the program of
translation).
I hope for your answer.
--
Yours faithfully, best regards,
Volter mailto:[email protected]
da_zman20
Reply #94 Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:37 PM
Reply #94 Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:37 PM
hmmm.... interesting one... I Like your style Jafo... very professional, very to the point...
Jafo
Reply #95 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:28 AM
Reply #95 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:28 AM
His [Volter] most recent reply.......
In the near future I shall remove skin made on a basis iconsets
by Renato C. Veras Jr (treetog) - Sputnik and Copper Deck.
In other skin where I used images from themes WB made Johanne Chaine
(alexandrie) and Renato C. Veras Jr (treetog) these elements will be
replaced.
I bring the apologies if have delivered to you inconveniences and-or
have offended you. I really respect your work and talent.
I regret about all happened.
Yours faithfully and best regards Volter.
This sounds like contrition and belated but genuine remorse....so perhaps all is well...
In the near future I shall remove skin made on a basis iconsets
by Renato C. Veras Jr (treetog) - Sputnik and Copper Deck.
In other skin where I used images from themes WB made Johanne Chaine
(alexandrie) and Renato C. Veras Jr (treetog) these elements will be
replaced.
I bring the apologies if have delivered to you inconveniences and-or
have offended you. I really respect your work and talent.
I regret about all happened.
Yours faithfully and best regards Volter.
This sounds like contrition and belated but genuine remorse....so perhaps all is well...
Alexandrie
Reply #96 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:37 PM
Reply #96 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:37 PM
he replied but still have removed nothing so far >
Alexandrie
Reply #97 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:45 PM
Here is the page http://my.opera.com/customize/skins/index.pl?cat=&author=433&skip=10&search=&show=pop&perscreen=250
"toon xp" rip of our "ToonXP" made for Stardock http://www.pixtudio.com/preview2.php?id=62
"Bomb Volter" rip of my "sportsman" https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=1&SkinID=2765
"XPVolterFOOOD" rip of my "LightBlue" https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=1&SkinID=2588
"Orion" rip of my port of "XP Corona" https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=1&SkinID=2850
And I am sure the rest must be rip too when you start looking at what is left after that.
Reply #97 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:45 PM
Here is the page http://my.opera.com/customize/skins/index.pl?cat=&author=433&skip=10&search=&show=pop&perscreen=250
"toon xp" rip of our "ToonXP" made for Stardock http://www.pixtudio.com/preview2.php?id=62
"Bomb Volter" rip of my "sportsman" https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=1&SkinID=2765
"XPVolterFOOOD" rip of my "LightBlue" https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=1&SkinID=2588
"Orion" rip of my port of "XP Corona" https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=1&SkinID=2850
And I am sure the rest must be rip too when you start looking at what is left after that.
da_zman20
Reply #98 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:20 PM
Reply #98 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:20 PM
I hope he removes all of his themes... unless mormegil gave him permission... which i doubt he would do for Toon, and Orion, if he can... hmmm... this may get ugly... if he does not disarm all weapons of mass... i mean ug... delete all of his rips then we will have no choice but to take him out... he he he..
yrag2
Reply #99 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:30 PM
Reply #99 Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:30 PM
"he replied but still have removed nothing so far"....you guys sure your not dealing with Saddam Hussein ???????????
Weaksid
Reply #100 Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:40 AM
Reply #100 Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:40 AM
I've been gone too long. I just checked. copperdeck he did get rid of. But he still has the other stuff. He edited the title with the e-mail address. Plus changed his name. Interesting. I had to check on this since I stuck it up. If you want to, you can let it slide again.
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Reply #81 Thursday, March 6, 2003 1:18 AM
And at times not seem to meet, at least at first glance..