Huston, I think we have a problem!!!!!
Friday, February 28, 2003 by adni18 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Jafo, I think we ALL have a problem!
I have just been informed that there is a company with the name Delphi-VCL Skin that sales the “Skin Engine” and with their product the give a huge number of skins, which means that the buyers of SkinEngine, can use those skins for having a profit with their business.
Here comes the good part of it!
The skins that they sell are all the works of known authors of WinCustomize, like Alexandrie, treetog, Mike Bryant, Grayhaze, essorant and many others.
There are no names, no credits, nothing, just an ID number of the skin.
Any one can download the skins for free, but the professionals can use them for their applications, sites etc and the have the right for the profit they will get, because the have purchase the Skin Engine!!!!!
I think this is too heavy to accept it.
I hope that our Official Layer Jafo will take care of it.
So, here something to start with Paul.
The following skin ID numbers are my skins:
0330
0294
0394
0379
0392
0177
0178
0034
0138
0377
0378
0060
0383
0353
0165
0249
0051
0203
0147
0075
0067
0030
0107
0055
0092
The link of those clever guys is:
http://www.link-rank.com/lib/lib1p.htm
I have just been informed that there is a company with the name Delphi-VCL Skin that sales the “Skin Engine” and with their product the give a huge number of skins, which means that the buyers of SkinEngine, can use those skins for having a profit with their business.
Here comes the good part of it!
The skins that they sell are all the works of known authors of WinCustomize, like Alexandrie, treetog, Mike Bryant, Grayhaze, essorant and many others.
There are no names, no credits, nothing, just an ID number of the skin.
Any one can download the skins for free, but the professionals can use them for their applications, sites etc and the have the right for the profit they will get, because the have purchase the Skin Engine!!!!!
I think this is too heavy to accept it.
I hope that our Official Layer Jafo will take care of it.
So, here something to start with Paul.
The following skin ID numbers are my skins:
0330
0294
0394
0379
0392
0177
0178
0034
0138
0377
0378
0060
0383
0353
0165
0249
0051
0203
0147
0075
0067
0030
0107
0055
0092
The link of those clever guys is:
http://www.link-rank.com/lib/lib1p.htm
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Fuzzy Logic
Reply #42 Friday, February 28, 2003 5:15 PM
Reply #42 Friday, February 28, 2003 5:15 PM
My skins have been ripped too, along with just about everyone else's here >
> >
Fuzzy Logic is annoyed and wants these people's gonads removed asap.
> > Fuzzy Logic is annoyed and wants these people's gonads removed asap.
IPlural
Reply #43 Friday, February 28, 2003 5:22 PM
Reply #43 Friday, February 28, 2003 5:22 PM
RuskiMoutainOysters anyone?
yes, they need cut off, line at least and out of business...
yes, they need cut off, line at least and out of business...
Jafo
Reply #44 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:15 PM
Reply #44 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:15 PM
OK...don't nuke anyone.
I emailed them yet again, but we need someone who can argue the case in Russian.
Their usual excuse is probably half real...no speakie de eengleesh.
Last time, I tried an online translator...however I believe I quite accurately explained to them their hovercraft was full of jellied eels.
Like I said, it is going to be a language issue.
But nuking, spamming...hate mail, etc is not the way to go about it...
I emailed them yet again, but we need someone who can argue the case in Russian.
Their usual excuse is probably half real...no speakie de eengleesh.
Last time, I tried an online translator...however I believe I quite accurately explained to them their hovercraft was full of jellied eels.
Like I said, it is going to be a language issue.
But nuking, spamming...hate mail, etc is not the way to go about it...
DavidK
Reply #45 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:16 PM
Reply #45 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:16 PM
Earlier today I had sent this email:
>Are you aware that the skins you are selling on your website are the copyrighted property of several artists? These skins are posted on several "skinning" websites and are owned by their creators. You have no permission to modify, redistribute or sell these copyrighted designs.
>
>Are you open to discussing compensation and credit for the artists whose work you are using?
>
>Please reply,
>
>David Knott
> Email
>www.wincustomize.com
And just got this reply:
David Knott
the skins are free for all user. we will contact the artists or remove the skins.
best regards
Pan wen
Link
[email protected]
>Are you aware that the skins you are selling on your website are the copyrighted property of several artists? These skins are posted on several "skinning" websites and are owned by their creators. You have no permission to modify, redistribute or sell these copyrighted designs.
>
>Are you open to discussing compensation and credit for the artists whose work you are using?
>
>Please reply,
>
>David Knott
>www.wincustomize.com
And just got this reply:
David Knott
the skins are free for all user. we will contact the artists or remove the skins.
best regards
Pan wen
Link
[email protected]
Jafo
Reply #46 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:16 PM
Reply #46 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:16 PM
If their host/provider can have their site pulled for theft and/or piracy then that'll be a 'start'...
Jafo
Reply #47 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:17 PM
Reply #47 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:17 PM
Mine, as usual....
It appears that you are displaying numerous skins on your site originally created by authors other than yourself.
Although images are freely available for download on the Internet, they are EXPRESSLY for personal use, which does not include the reproduction and redistribution of them via another site such as yours.
The modification, and/or re-distribution of an artist's images without his/her express permission is in violation of the Artist's Copyright, and is pursuable in law.
Whether these images link to the original artist's site or not, or whether the Original artist is credited or not, without prior permission to display such, you are in violation of inherent and/or expressed copyright.
I strongly suggest you remove any such images for which you do not have permission to display via verification of aurthor, and minimize the potential for litigation against you and subsequent claims for loss.
I await your favourable response.
Paul Martin
Jafo
[Admin...Wincustomize.com]
[Admin...Pixtudio.com]
[Senior Member...Deviantart.com]
It appears that you are displaying numerous skins on your site originally created by authors other than yourself.
Although images are freely available for download on the Internet, they are EXPRESSLY for personal use, which does not include the reproduction and redistribution of them via another site such as yours.
The modification, and/or re-distribution of an artist's images without his/her express permission is in violation of the Artist's Copyright, and is pursuable in law.
Whether these images link to the original artist's site or not, or whether the Original artist is credited or not, without prior permission to display such, you are in violation of inherent and/or expressed copyright.
I strongly suggest you remove any such images for which you do not have permission to display via verification of aurthor, and minimize the potential for litigation against you and subsequent claims for loss.
I await your favourable response.
Paul Martin
Jafo
[Admin...Wincustomize.com]
[Admin...Pixtudio.com]
[Senior Member...Deviantart.com]
adni18
Reply #48 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:18 PM
Reply #48 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:18 PM
I don't think that is very easy to deal with these guys and this bothers me a lot.
But we must not give up, I hope that every one from our community will help for the protection of authors rights!
But we must not give up, I hope that every one from our community will help for the protection of authors rights!
adni18
Reply #51 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:26 PM
Reply #51 Friday, February 28, 2003 6:26 PM
Thanks David and Paul 
As I see I was wrong, they have communicate with the proper and right way!
Let us see if they going to do what they have answered to DavidK
As I see I was wrong, they have communicate with the proper and right way!
Let us see if they going to do what they have answered to DavidK
Jafo
Reply #52 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:15 PM
Reply #52 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:15 PM
His/my replies...
Pan Wen
Here is just one list by one artist for starters....skins that are his and used without consent.
0330
0294
0394
0379
0392
0177
0178
0034
0138
0377
0378
0060
0383
0353
0165
0249
0051
0203
0147
0075
0067
0030
0107
0055
0092
That is only one skinner [Adni18]
I imagine the vast majority of skins you display are not yours, and I know, through many years of association/involvement with the skinning community that NONE of the other skinners whose work you used will allow you to use their work WITHOUT first being contacted and asked.
The ONLY responsible action is to remove all the skins now, and then email individuals for permission.
Cheers,
Paul Martin
JAFO
Admin Wincustomize.com [your likely source of these skins]
-----Original Message-----
From: Pan Wen [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Illegal use of skins.
Paul Martin
We will remove the skins.
best regards
Pan wen
http://www.link-rank.com
[email protected]
Pan Wen
Here is just one list by one artist for starters....skins that are his and used without consent.
0330
0294
0394
0379
0392
0177
0178
0034
0138
0377
0378
0060
0383
0353
0165
0249
0051
0203
0147
0075
0067
0030
0107
0055
0092
That is only one skinner [Adni18]
I imagine the vast majority of skins you display are not yours, and I know, through many years of association/involvement with the skinning community that NONE of the other skinners whose work you used will allow you to use their work WITHOUT first being contacted and asked.
The ONLY responsible action is to remove all the skins now, and then email individuals for permission.
Cheers,
Paul Martin
JAFO
Admin Wincustomize.com [your likely source of these skins]
-----Original Message-----
From: Pan Wen [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Illegal use of skins.
Paul Martin
We will remove the skins.
best regards
Pan wen
http://www.link-rank.com
[email protected]
elvee
Reply #53 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:18 PM
Reply #53 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:18 PM
I dont see any of the skin library.....so maybe swift justice was done
Delicious
Reply #55 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:24 PM
Reply #55 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:24 PM
The first word from the moon was not Huston but Houston.
FWIW
FWIW
adni18
Reply #56 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:29 PM
Reply #56 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:29 PM
They have removed all the skins!!!
The authors rights have win this time!
Waiting for the next
The authors rights have win this time!
Waiting for the next
adni18
Reply #57 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:31 PM
Reply #57 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:31 PM
Sorry Delicious, I am not a Master of English language
goodmorphing
Reply #58 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:31 PM
http://www.link-rank.com/lib/lib1p.htm The entire site is gone...
Reply #58 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:31 PM
http://www.link-rank.com/lib/lib1p.htm The entire site is gone...
adni18
Reply #59 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:32 PM
Reply #59 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:32 PM
No, it is not gone Diane, it is here: http://www.link-rank.com
goodmorphing
Reply #60 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:35 PM
Reply #60 Friday, February 28, 2003 7:35 PM
Ah.... sigh, hope they do it right next time.
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Reply #41 Friday, February 28, 2003 5:10 PM
someone edit a form letter of notification to cease and decist or face litigation and send it with the links and info in the email form letter and eavery single person who got ripped send one to the Regsoft, ISP, Web Host whichever