Another site redistributing skins etc without permission.
Friday, February 21, 2003 by grayhaze | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
On one of my little treks around the web today, I came across this site by simply entering my nick into Google. I've certainly never heard of the site, so I haven't given my permission for them to offer my work for download. There's a lot of stuff on the site created by WinCust folks, so I thought others might be interested. Does anyone speak Polish (?) here?? Looks like we need Jafo on the case again... 
Here's the link: http://pulpit.arx.pl/index2.php?order=down
Here's the link: http://pulpit.arx.pl/index2.php?order=down
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DavidK
Reply #3 Friday, February 21, 2003 9:30 PM
Reply #3 Friday, February 21, 2003 9:30 PM
While I was looking at the site it went offline.
It looks like a nice site. I was glad to see he gave the author's name on all the pieces. I didn't get to see very much before the site bombed but it looks like there's a Polish skinning community. If he's hosting all the skins it must be pretty expensive to keep it running.
It looks like a nice site. I was glad to see he gave the author's name on all the pieces. I didn't get to see very much before the site bombed but it looks like there's a Polish skinning community. If he's hosting all the skins it must be pretty expensive to keep it running.
DavidK
Reply #5 Friday, February 21, 2003 9:39 PM
Reply #5 Friday, February 21, 2003 9:39 PM
it's back... Witaj nieznajomy!
He does host all the skins.
This one looks like a rip: http://pulpit.arx.pl/gallery/show.php?id=711&file=d_711.jpg
it's credited to a guy named nieznany as are most of the wallpapers in the abstract category. I'm sure there are many different artist's work in there under this guy's name.
He does host all the skins.
This one looks like a rip: http://pulpit.arx.pl/gallery/show.php?id=711&file=d_711.jpg
it's credited to a guy named nieznany as are most of the wallpapers in the abstract category. I'm sure there are many different artist's work in there under this guy's name.
DavidK
Reply #6 Friday, February 21, 2003 10:15 PM
Reply #6 Friday, February 21, 2003 10:15 PM
On this page you'll see treetog's Sptnik Icons posted by "Alanadin" http://pulpit.arx.pl/index2.php?sort_od_real=&sort_od=16&first_page=1&kategoria=&order=down#
DavidK
Reply #7 Friday, February 21, 2003 10:21 PM
Reply #7 Friday, February 21, 2003 10:21 PM
This sure looks like one of Nikos' skins http://pulpit.arx.pl/gallery/show.php?id=642&file=d_642.jpg
posted by nieznany
posted by nieznany
da_zman20
Reply #8 Friday, February 21, 2003 10:30 PM
Reply #8 Friday, February 21, 2003 10:30 PM
sure is that's Nikos' style, I don't remember the visual aspects, but I remember the name Sirius spelt just like that 
and the effects and such done in the art work, and rendering look like that of adni, the lines, the shapes, they are his style
and the effects and such done in the art work, and rendering look like that of adni, the lines, the shapes, they are his style 
Jafo
Reply #9 Friday, February 21, 2003 10:49 PM
Reply #9 Friday, February 21, 2003 10:49 PM
My bet is he's just hanging in there...keeps going off-line due to traffic load.....more than 2 and he's knackered...
If someone can get at him in Polish, and get things 'sorted' that'd be nice...
If someone can get at him in Polish, and get things 'sorted' that'd be nice...
da_zman20
Reply #10 Friday, February 21, 2003 11:36 PM
Reply #10 Friday, February 21, 2003 11:36 PM
i don't speak polish... but my family is of polish ancestry... im sure that gentleman that runs that site and I could just stare at each other dumbfounded for a while, and then come to a conclusion on what he needs to do... I mean honestly... were polish... we did inven't the solar powered flashlight and such... im not one armed though so waiving won't get me out of the tree...
(no offense meant to my fellow Pollocks)
im not one armed though so waiving won't get me out of the tree... (no offense meant to my fellow Pollocks)
Adam Najmanowicz
Reply #11 Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:49 AM
Reply #11 Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:49 AM
I am Polish.
I have sent a mail to the admins of the site and will try to settle things out. I am sure they didn't mean to infringe anyone's copyrights and the whole thing went just out of the desire to bring customization trend to Poland. I understand that removing all of the great stuff you guys have not uploaded there will virtually kill the site as it will have much less quality content. Do you think some of you could give them permission to host some of your great work (of course it would have to be properly labeled and linked).
Anyone interested in getting a copy of the mail I've sent to the admins (it's in polish - you've been warned) please mail me.
some translations:
Nieznany = unknown.
Witaj nieznajomy! = Welcome stranger!
I have sent a mail to the admins of the site and will try to settle things out. I am sure they didn't mean to infringe anyone's copyrights and the whole thing went just out of the desire to bring customization trend to Poland. I understand that removing all of the great stuff you guys have not uploaded there will virtually kill the site as it will have much less quality content. Do you think some of you could give them permission to host some of your great work (of course it would have to be properly labeled and linked).
Anyone interested in getting a copy of the mail I've sent to the admins (it's in polish - you've been warned
) please mail me.some translations:
Nieznany = unknown.
Witaj nieznajomy! = Welcome stranger!
IPlural
Reply #12 Saturday, February 22, 2003 6:04 AM
Reply #12 Saturday, February 22, 2003 6:04 AM
actually that sounds like a great idea...
I know from the peanut gallery does my opinion honestly count?
But seriously, it would be a great thing to help in this way, also, Poland has some very fantastic artists with camera , on page and canvas, I am betting in a short time, it would really explode and raise the number greatly of skilled artist skinners all around.
They do seem to have a real bandwidth issue, 1.5mbit connection crawls here...
anyway....
I know from the peanut gallery does my opinion honestly count?
But seriously, it would be a great thing to help in this way, also, Poland has some very fantastic artists with camera , on page and canvas, I am betting in a short time, it would really explode and raise the number greatly of skilled artist skinners all around.
They do seem to have a real bandwidth issue, 1.5mbit connection crawls here...
anyway....
DavidK
Reply #13 Saturday, February 22, 2003 6:08 AM
Reply #13 Saturday, February 22, 2003 6:08 AM
Thanks Adam, I was hoping you'd appear. I agree, it looks like a site for a community like ours and I would hate to see it be wiped out. The "unknown" author takes care of the biggest problem anyone would have with the site. Maybe we could help him get names and permissions for the skins he has that are un-credited.
As for permission, he only has one of my pieces but I'm happy to let him post it and any others of mine he wants to post.
As for permission, he only has one of my pieces but I'm happy to let him post it and any others of mine he wants to post.
grayhaze
Reply #15 Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:08 AM
Reply #15 Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:08 AM
I would have been perfectly happy to allow him to redistribute my work if he had simply asked for permission first. This 'it's on the Internet, so it must be free to use as I wish' attitude is starting to become something of a problem.
All anyone needs to do is show some manners and ask, and they'll find I'm usually quite a friendly, helpful individual.
I'm not too sure about simply backing down on asking him to remove our work from his site. Yes, it would potentially kill the site, but it would also make him consider his actions and perhaps start another site by going through the right procedures. What's being suggested is somewhat like telling a car thief that he might as well have your car now he's stolen it, as taking it back could damage his 'business'. Obviously it's not that severe, but it's the same principle. If you don't punish, they never learn.
All anyone needs to do is show some manners and ask, and they'll find I'm usually quite a friendly, helpful individual.
I'm not too sure about simply backing down on asking him to remove our work from his site. Yes, it would potentially kill the site, but it would also make him consider his actions and perhaps start another site by going through the right procedures. What's being suggested is somewhat like telling a car thief that he might as well have your car now he's stolen it, as taking it back could damage his 'business'. Obviously it's not that severe, but it's the same principle. If you don't punish, they never learn.
--Gabriel
Reply #17 Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:32 AM
Reply #17 Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:32 AM
He can host my stuff if he wants....
however the insane amount of traffic he gets from my uber1337 skins might tank his site.
(... and yes I am a horse's ass.)
however the insane amount of traffic he gets from my uber1337 skins might tank his site.
(... and yes I am a horse's ass.)
--Gabriel
Reply #18 Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:33 AM
Reply #18 Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:33 AM
Just so you know is the kewlest smiley on here. 
is the kewlest smiley on here. 
IPlural
Reply #19 Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:52 AM
Reply #19 Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:52 AM
ok, then what about them tanking everything and then requesting from each author the right to host?
Windows manipulation is completely new to them, they do not have a clue as to what they have done, it isn't like it was an outright rip with the " HA HA I did you over " in mind. actually, it was rather, mindless
It's up to you all how you want or need to approach the situation, and I do know you do not raise a child by turning the head the other direction, but at the same time you also explain what and why, and might even consider a second chance....
I am not calling them kids, but, the learning process with totally new things applies across all ages when someone finds something that deeply hits them as new and wonderful...
What would probably help, is to know if anyone posting has an account on any of the valid hosting site, or are these things people have picked up off of phantom sites? If off valid hosting sites, assuming they can read the flavor of language, then yes, they damn well know they are practicing thief's and do not deserve a second thought...
but if they have no clue, make them clean it up and go through the correct process and then a real lesson is learned, you can beat someone about the ears all you like if they do not grasp exactly what it is they did, it will have no other affect than to instill anger, possibly hatred and very possibly push them into doing exactly what was done out of mistake, except with a vengence...
Or maybe let them get rid of it all, and invite them to the site and the msg board so they can learn the correct way, kinda like skinners across the waters or some such...
anyway... I really do not have anything invested in this situation so I'll just lurk it and keep my thoughts to myself...
Windows manipulation is completely new to them, they do not have a clue as to what they have done, it isn't like it was an outright rip with the " HA HA I did you over " in mind. actually, it was rather, mindless
It's up to you all how you want or need to approach the situation, and I do know you do not raise a child by turning the head the other direction, but at the same time you also explain what and why, and might even consider a second chance....
I am not calling them kids, but, the learning process with totally new things applies across all ages when someone finds something that deeply hits them as new and wonderful...
What would probably help, is to know if anyone posting has an account on any of the valid hosting site, or are these things people have picked up off of phantom sites? If off valid hosting sites, assuming they can read the flavor of language, then yes, they damn well know they are practicing thief's and do not deserve a second thought...
but if they have no clue, make them clean it up and go through the correct process and then a real lesson is learned, you can beat someone about the ears all you like if they do not grasp exactly what it is they did, it will have no other affect than to instill anger, possibly hatred and very possibly push them into doing exactly what was done out of mistake, except with a vengence...
Or maybe let them get rid of it all, and invite them to the site and the msg board so they can learn the correct way, kinda like skinners across the waters or some such...
anyway... I really do not have anything invested in this situation so I'll just lurk it and keep my thoughts to myself...
Jafo
Reply #20 Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:54 AM
Reply #20 Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:54 AM
The least that he should do is to show a willingness to make amends for unlawfully hosting works without permission.
His site will benefit far more by being a legitimate provider of skins than by thumbing its nose at the community, whether intentionally or otherwise.
He MUST remove any questional works until he has definite permission[s]. Anything less is not acceptable.
His site will benefit far more by being a legitimate provider of skins than by thumbing its nose at the community, whether intentionally or otherwise.
He MUST remove any questional works until he has definite permission[s]. Anything less is not acceptable.
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Reply #1 Friday, February 21, 2003 9:20 PM