Microsoft and a new scam!
Thursday, February 6, 2003 by da_zman20 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
check this out guys... I saw this at NeoWin, Mirosoft and intel and other companies have a new way of doing things. their idea is that someone on the other end will basically monitor your computer... and you will have to use their software, and approved hardware, and they can basically shut down anything on your computer they want to it's friggen joke... the Activation of Windows and such is the first step.. just wait and see what is coming...
http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html
http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html
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Jafo
Reply #22 Thursday, February 6, 2003 5:37 PM
Reply #22 Thursday, February 6, 2003 5:37 PM
It's perhaps relevant to consider that any 'decisions' about what does or doesn't happen is not confined to the US....many people are outside the jurisdiction of US Govt proposals.
It 'may' be appropriate for the US to 'spy' on its people....it can even make rules to allow it to happen, but on outsiders that is International Espionage, and though fun for 007, is not exactly 'condoned'.
Speculation on what is 'going to happen' in the future is exactly that....'speculation', often driven by ulterior motives...
It 'may' be appropriate for the US to 'spy' on its people....it can even make rules to allow it to happen, but on outsiders that is International Espionage, and though fun for 007, is not exactly 'condoned'.
Speculation on what is 'going to happen' in the future is exactly that....'speculation', often driven by ulterior motives...
da_zman20
Reply #23 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:42 PM
Reply #23 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:42 PM
I suppose you have a point jafo... I just don't want some guy I don't know knowing what i have on my computer it's none of his business... and if the government wants to know what's on my computer all they need is a search warrant. Why take it any further than that? There is nothing bad on my computer sure... but there are personal things for my eyes only... and like I said the government can see what is my computer at any time right now... all they need a warrant...
_5480
Reply #24 Thursday, February 6, 2003 7:04 PM
Reply #24 Thursday, February 6, 2003 7:04 PM
If Palladium will allow remote sources to 'spy' on what you do, isn't that itself breaking the law? The last time I checked, invasion of privacy was a crime. I don't understand how companies can do that. And the comment about making open-source software illegal??? It sounds like Palladium has everyone shook. I seriously doubt Palladium or TCPA can allow access to your hard drive. It can only stop/allow what you download. Also, Palladium is a 2-way setup. You need both Palladium-enabled software and Palladium-enabled hardware for it to work. So just don't buy a Palladium-enabled hard drive. ;]
WOM
Reply #25 Thursday, February 6, 2003 7:46 PM
Reply #25 Thursday, February 6, 2003 7:46 PM
Seems that you will be safe if you have an old PC but you will never beable to hook up to the internet. We had better fight it now before it gets into the main chip or the laws get passed to use it. Once it is in it will be hell to get it over turned. >
Weaksid
Reply #26 Thursday, February 6, 2003 9:40 PM
Reply #26 Thursday, February 6, 2003 9:40 PM
I say probably e-mail it to as many friends as possible to inform everybody. Once people know, then maybe something can be done. Not too many people know of this idea.
_5480
Reply #27 Thursday, February 6, 2003 9:48 PM
Reply #27 Thursday, February 6, 2003 9:48 PM
In the magazine CPU (Computer Power User), they did a 2-page spread on Palladium. The way they described it, it didn't sound so harmful, but then again why would a magazine do a 2-page spread on something just to flame it?
http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2Farchive%2Fc0212%2F32c12%2F32c12%2Easp&guid=edssf13o&searchtype=0&WordList=palladium
http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2Farchive%2Fc0212%2F32c12%2F32c12%2Easp&guid=edssf13o&searchtype=0&WordList=palladium
WOM
Reply #28 Thursday, February 6, 2003 10:02 PM
Reply #28 Thursday, February 6, 2003 10:02 PM
Looks like the sides forming. For and against. You want to sell it, paint it good. If you tell the truth no one will want it.
messybuu
Reply #29 Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:08 PM
Reply #29 Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:08 PM
Or perhaps if the truth is told, people won't be as worried, for the truth does not always sway toward the cynic.
well heck, it's all good, really man, all good
IPlural
Reply #31 Friday, February 7, 2003 12:34 AM
Reply #31 Friday, February 7, 2003 12:34 AM
Robot Janus, the facts never hurt...
not if your on the up and up that is...
Here is another look at Palladium.
excerpt:
" In a June 2002 submission to BSDVault, one user noted that the user agreement in Microsoft's Windows Media Player allows the company to: "provide security related updates to the OS Components that will be automatically downloaded onto your computer. These security related updates may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and use other software on your computer." This allows Microsoft to control components of the users' operating systems without notice or consent. "
http://www.epic.org/privacy/consumer/microsoft/palladium.html
As far as controlling pirating goes, this is great and a positive step toward it, but the adverse effects could well out-weigh any positives it might gain in that area.
Considering Microsoft has a nasty habit of providing Security Patches and or Updates which punch holes in System Security just as often as they slap duct-tape on them. I do not care for this part of the evolution...
Seriously, I mean you can not even claim their track record of updates are buggy, they are pretty much roach motels...
Which is why just about every Lan/Wan Administrator's I deal with pic's and chooses the parts of service packs they will install and also security patches...
Palladium is key to it and is the driving force behind it...
anyway...
not if your on the up and up that is...
Here is another look at Palladium.
excerpt:
" In a June 2002 submission to BSDVault, one user noted that the user agreement in Microsoft's Windows Media Player allows the company to: "provide security related updates to the OS Components that will be automatically downloaded onto your computer. These security related updates may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and use other software on your computer." This allows Microsoft to control components of the users' operating systems without notice or consent. "
http://www.epic.org/privacy/consumer/microsoft/palladium.html
As far as controlling pirating goes, this is great and a positive step toward it, but the adverse effects could well out-weigh any positives it might gain in that area.
Considering Microsoft has a nasty habit of providing Security Patches and or Updates which punch holes in System Security just as often as they slap duct-tape on them. I do not care for this part of the evolution...
Seriously, I mean you can not even claim their track record of updates are buggy, they are pretty much roach motels...
Which is why just about every Lan/Wan Administrator's I deal with pic's and chooses the parts of service packs they will install and also security patches...
Palladium is key to it and is the driving force behind it...
anyway...
paxx
Reply #32 Friday, February 7, 2003 5:47 AM
Reply #32 Friday, February 7, 2003 5:47 AM
Husipoo: are you a subscriber to that magasine? Can you copy-paste us the entire article?
@shu
Reply #33 Friday, February 7, 2003 6:13 AM
Reply #33 Friday, February 7, 2003 6:13 AM
I certainly do not think that the coming of Palladium will effect the net community much. Day by day, people are getting more and more acquainted with their pcs. They will eventually be able to make the decisions for themselves, for their good and theeir bad. And what the heck are we worried about? Even today, when so many swear by XP, I doubt that more than 10% of the total pc users have switched to it. Here in India, we still have people swearing by good ol' 98. Damn '98, our schools still teach DOS!!! (the forgotten language of our ancestors)
Weaksid
Reply #34 Friday, February 7, 2003 9:19 AM
Reply #34 Friday, February 7, 2003 9:19 AM
Yes, DOS is extinct. But it is still used. I used it to repair PCs where I used to work. You can do more now with XP's DOS.
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Reply #21 Thursday, February 6, 2003 5:29 PM