Microsoft and a new scam!
Thursday, February 6, 2003 by da_zman20 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
check this out guys... I saw this at NeoWin, Mirosoft and intel and other companies have a new way of doing things. their idea is that someone on the other end will basically monitor your computer... and you will have to use their software, and approved hardware, and they can basically shut down anything on your computer they want to it's friggen joke... the Activation of Windows and such is the first step.. just wait and see what is coming...
http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html
http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html
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UBoB
Reply #2 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:22 AM
Reply #2 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:22 AM
Well, the only way to combat it is to never connect to internet. 
IPlural
Reply #3 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:27 AM na, just quit buying into their crap, XP is as far as I go with Microsoft and I pick and choose my updates...
Reply #3 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:27 AM
na, just quit buying into their crap, XP is as far as I go with Microsoft and I pick and choose my updates... 
IPlural
Reply #4 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:29 AM
Reply #4 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:29 AM
besides, there is always my good ol 2000 servers and Pro I can revert back to.
LongHorn should be called LongArm cause they going to reach out and touch everybody !!!
LongHorn should be called LongArm cause they going to reach out and touch everybody !!!
IPlural
Reply #5 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:33 AM
Reply #5 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:33 AM
maybe OD will go Unix/AIX/Linux?
hehe... na, but, the one thing that blows me away with Microsoft products and such is that how many ways can you type a word doc, or excel sheet?
each verison pushes you into more and more hardware resources to do the same dang thing...
hehe... na, but, the one thing that blows me away with Microsoft products and such is that how many ways can you type a word doc, or excel sheet?
each verison pushes you into more and more hardware resources to do the same dang thing...
WOM
Reply #6 Thursday, February 6, 2003 7:48 AM
Reply #6 Thursday, February 6, 2003 7:48 AM
I guess we had better save our old software and machines and not download any MS updates.
Jess McGuay
Reply #7 Thursday, February 6, 2003 9:59 AM
Reply #7 Thursday, February 6, 2003 9:59 AM
why do ppl post this like its some new news item? This has been around for ages as far as the proposal goes. I don't like it but seems every few weeks I come across a post somewhere that makes it sound like some new dark secret they have been hiding has just come to light hehe
Jess McGuay
Reply #8 Thursday, February 6, 2003 10:17 AM
Reply #8 Thursday, February 6, 2003 10:17 AM
sorry if sounded grumpy but a roomy had just gotten all stressed over this very thing yesterday so was fresh in my mind was all.
Weaksid
Reply #9 Thursday, February 6, 2003 10:22 AM
Reply #9 Thursday, February 6, 2003 10:22 AM
I just have to say this is just bull shit.. You know the internet will unite and try to prevent this. It would be total chaos.
kthxbye
Reply #10 Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:12 AM
Reply #10 Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:12 AM
Like it or not, for good (there /are/ some good things about, it, somewhere.. somehow,) and ill - DRM is the way of the future.
Despite what the article says, and even with this Fritz chip thingy, it will also be broken - and while no, I don't advocate that sort of thing - I /do/ have to admit, that it would be an interesting one to watch as it is. What's the future? mod chips for PCs?
I don't know why, but stuff like this just doesn't get me worked up into a frenzy anyway.
Despite what the article says, and even with this Fritz chip thingy, it will also be broken - and while no, I don't advocate that sort of thing - I /do/ have to admit, that it would be an interesting one to watch as it is. What's the future? mod chips for PCs?
I don't know why, but stuff like this just doesn't get me worked up into a frenzy anyway.
paxx
Reply #11 Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:59 AM
Reply #11 Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:59 AM
I think if this happens, more people will switch to Mac or Linux. Not sure it will be a good thing in the end for Microsoft.
At least, I know that I'll switch permanently to Linux before I install the next version of Windows if it includes this crap.
At least, I know that I'll switch permanently to Linux before I install the next version of Windows if it includes this crap.
RuderThenYou
Reply #12 Thursday, February 6, 2003 12:27 PM
Reply #12 Thursday, February 6, 2003 12:27 PM
That article sounds like a bunch of doom and gloom crap. It's going to be along time before anything close to what it talks about can be apllied worldwide. Even if I can happen alot sooner then I think someone will figure out work arounds like always. Then of course there is always Linux. Everyone will go open-source eventually and Billy Gates won't be able to give his OS away.
kthxbye
Reply #13 Thursday, February 6, 2003 12:31 PM
Reply #13 Thursday, February 6, 2003 12:31 PM
The thing is.. is the casual computer user, the guy who knows nothing about PCs and brings one home for that 'internet' thing going to even care? Or know?
Probably not. To both.
Will most large corporations care? Probably not - and it won't be a surprise if their enterprise editions still won't require any form of activation or anything.
Probably not. To both.
Will most large corporations care? Probably not - and it won't be a surprise if their enterprise editions still won't require any form of activation or anything.
IPlural
Reply #14 Thursday, February 6, 2003 2:14 PM
Reply #14 Thursday, February 6, 2003 2:14 PM
As far as it goes, as I stated before, XP is it for me. Thats a personal choice and I laid out some of my reasoning behind it before also.
As far as Microsoft and Intel or anyone else playing goofy, there is always MAC, Linux, XP and down and AMD among others. No one will ever have total control of the PC market as long as there is dissent, someone will feed their product line into it.
The only thing "Trend" if you like, that bothers me seriously, is the Data Switching center the government is wanting to get online. WHich will run all internet traffic through it and give them the ability to tap systems, email, personal/private, corporate traffic as they like. I understand there is a need for security on the net, but, that is a bit much.
As far as Microsoft and Intel or anyone else playing goofy, there is always MAC, Linux, XP and down and AMD among others. No one will ever have total control of the PC market as long as there is dissent, someone will feed their product line into it.
The only thing "Trend" if you like, that bothers me seriously, is the Data Switching center the government is wanting to get online. WHich will run all internet traffic through it and give them the ability to tap systems, email, personal/private, corporate traffic as they like. I understand there is a need for security on the net, but, that is a bit much.
Weaksid
Reply #15 Thursday, February 6, 2003 3:29 PM
Reply #15 Thursday, February 6, 2003 3:29 PM
The thing is the Goverment might make it manditory for all OSs actually. Which means MACs and all of those will have to switch also.
phreak_of_nature
Reply #16 Thursday, February 6, 2003 3:38 PM
Reply #16 Thursday, February 6, 2003 3:38 PM
If the gov does make it mandatory, all the more reason to go to Linux. With Linux you get the source too.
So strip that junk out, recompile on your own machine, and move on.
So strip that junk out, recompile on your own machine, and move on.
paxx
Reply #17 Thursday, February 6, 2003 3:45 PM
Reply #17 Thursday, February 6, 2003 3:45 PM
The government will probably make open source software illegal. 
IPlural
Reply #18 Thursday, February 6, 2003 4:02 PM
Reply #18 Thursday, February 6, 2003 4:02 PM
Well one of the heads of Microsoft at a conference did happen to say OpenSource is un-American and also the worst threat for worm, virus and trojan proliferation... AS IF !!! 
messybuu
Reply #19 Thursday, February 6, 2003 4:03 PM
Reply #19 Thursday, February 6, 2003 4:03 PM
If they did make it mandatory, I don't see why Linux would be an exception to the rule. As Paxx said, it might give them justification to ban the OS, since those who use it will fail to follow the law if they remove mandatory components.
AlphaAlien
Reply #20 Thursday, February 6, 2003 5:03 PM
Reply #20 Thursday, February 6, 2003 5:03 PM
Palladium shouldn't be the issue, palladium is purely software and will/is easy to workaround. TCPA should be what everyone gets up in arms abour. TCPA is the hardware side of what people think of as Palladium, except TCPA was made by intel.
What TCPA proposes is that only TCPA certified software be used. And no open-source since you have to get it certified as secure and part of that is they want it to be closed source. If you publish any software that isn't TCPA certified they want to fine you $500, same if you build a machine that isn't TCPA certified. In essence TCPA is the old clipper chip idea on some major steroids. So is palladium bad? Yes, but in some ways you can justify it with the services in longhorn. Is TCPA bad? Entirely, and their is NO justification for it.
*wonders why it keeps re-underlining what he types*
What TCPA proposes is that only TCPA certified software be used. And no open-source since you have to get it certified as secure and part of that is they want it to be closed source. If you publish any software that isn't TCPA certified they want to fine you $500, same if you build a machine that isn't TCPA certified. In essence TCPA is the old clipper chip idea on some major steroids. So is palladium bad? Yes, but in some ways you can justify it with the services in longhorn. Is TCPA bad? Entirely, and their is NO justification for it.
*wonders why it keeps re-underlining what he types*
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Reply #1 Thursday, February 6, 2003 6:00 AM
Know what? The government will let em do it too as long as it pumps up the war on terrorism the new cash cow for this and future generations.
Though I have to admit, war on terrorism has a better chance than the war on drugs ever had. Too much money involved for everyone concerned for them to win thath one.