War?
Monday, January 27, 2003 by joetheblow | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Ok. I hope this doesn't become a "lets blow them up" or a "give peace a chance" thread but I was wondering something stratigic (spell?)
What if the US attacks Iraq and since Iran is also part of the "axil of evil", maybe it too will feel threatened and attack the US troops as well. I actually think they will attack them and that is what Hussien means by "many body bags".
Does anyone think the US has thought of this?
What if the US attacks Iraq and since Iran is also part of the "axil of evil", maybe it too will feel threatened and attack the US troops as well. I actually think they will attack them and that is what Hussien means by "many body bags".
Does anyone think the US has thought of this?
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joetheblow
Reply #102 Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:09 PM
Reply #102 Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:09 PM
When I was in junior high school I knew what was wrong with communism, but from what I read about it and what was suppossed to happen under its, I felt like it was a good idea. It had some major flaws apparently like trusting people in power and lack of any major freedoms and rights.
I have to agree with Churchhill about socialism, but I am not sure if that means "finer care" for wealthier people is the problem. The problem seems to be that the regular people can't seem to get the proper care.
If I was rich I might have a specail hospital with a top doctors and roses at my 2 room single occupancy suite. That is fine. A poor person does not need a specail hospital with all the amenities. Just good care. Maybe not the top doctors but good doctors. Maybe not rooms with a view and roses but a room shared with 4 other patients and one window. In the end, will thy get the care they need and the answer should moslty realisticly be yes they recieved good care. What they could not afford, there are other good options.
I have to agree with Churchhill about socialism, but I am not sure if that means "finer care" for wealthier people is the problem. The problem seems to be that the regular people can't seem to get the proper care.
If I was rich I might have a specail hospital with a top doctors and roses at my 2 room single occupancy suite. That is fine. A poor person does not need a specail hospital with all the amenities. Just good care. Maybe not the top doctors but good doctors. Maybe not rooms with a view and roses but a room shared with 4 other patients and one window. In the end, will thy get the care they need and the answer should moslty realisticly be yes they recieved good care. What they could not afford, there are other good options.
paxx
Reply #103 Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:40 PM
Reply #103 Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:40 PM
Slowtyper: I don't know how you guys are in the States, but in Canada where the whole health system is free, the doctors keep saying that people don't go see the doctor when they should, and when they do sometimes it's too late. Although it's free, most people rather avoid seeing the doctor. Sure, there are some hypochondriacs, but for those people having to pay or not isn't the issue.
And no, free enterprise is not about the poor dying and the rich surviving. That is barbarism. The hobo on the street who doesn't even have an address has the right to the same quality of care than Bill Gates.
And no, free enterprise is not about the poor dying and the rich surviving. That is barbarism. The hobo on the street who doesn't even have an address has the right to the same quality of care than Bill Gates.
SLOWTYPER
Reply #104 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:01 PM
Reply #104 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:01 PM
I'm not sure Pax but I heard (you know what that's worth) that people don't go to the Dr's in Canada because it takes so long to get hospital care and the clinics/Dr's offices are overcrowded. Most come to the states if they can afford it. As far as the Hobo is concerned, most, not all of course, are in the streets by their own choosing. Our system, although flawed is still the best on earth. Why else would so many people be trying so hard to get to the United States?
JamMeister33
Reply #105 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:05 PM
Reply #105 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:05 PM
I hate politics... this is not a political site.... what does this have to do with skinning?
IPlural
Reply #106 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:10 PM
Reply #106 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:10 PM
dunno?
*bump*
oh just installed a wireless MS mouse and multimedia eyboard, let everyone know what I think in a bit. Seems ok so far, wondering about the mouse though. I've used track and wireless track-balls since they've been out...
*bump*
oh just installed a wireless MS mouse and multimedia eyboard, let everyone know what I think in a bit. Seems ok so far, wondering about the mouse though. I've used track and wireless track-balls since they've been out...
SLOWTYPER
Reply #107 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:12 PM
Reply #107 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:12 PM
Just as an after thought, I live in CA. and a NK Missile might be just what we need to get back to reality out here! 
IPlural
Reply #109 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:56 PM
Reply #109 Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:56 PM
my sons port is in Alemedia (spelling)
He can not wait to gbet back to Florida.
He can not wait to gbet back to Florida.
IPlural
Reply #111 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:01 PM
Reply #111 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:01 PM
going to have to put my Logi wireless marbleman trackball back on
JamMeister33
Reply #112 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:04 PM
Reply #112 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:04 PM
trackball huh?
Ouch, you really like that?
Ouch, you really like that?
IPlural
Reply #114 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:16 PM
Reply #114 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:16 PM
yeah used to it, pluse my neck is kinda messed up and moving my arm/hand around starts to hurt, then tingle and then go's numb and I end up with a massive headache.
with the ball only my thumb moves
with the ball only my thumb moves
JamMeister33
Reply #115 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:19 PM
Reply #115 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:19 PM
Hmmmmm... trackball... Ich kann es nicht verstehen.....
ding..®
ding..®
IPlural
Reply #116 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:20 PM
Reply #116 Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:20 PM
Oh, got a new computer desk too
One that wil let me put both my admin and graphcis station and monitors on racks upnder it and a monitor on each wing, dual keyboard trays.
Also a wiring rack and server rack
Actually going to get some room in here so I can do something !!!!! YEAH !!!!
I want a SGI
One that wil let me put both my admin and graphcis station and monitors on racks upnder it and a monitor on each wing, dual keyboard trays.
Also a wiring rack and server rack
Actually going to get some room in here so I can do something !!!!! YEAH !!!!
I want a SGI
kthxbye
Reply #117 Friday, January 31, 2003 12:30 AM
Reply #117 Friday, January 31, 2003 12:30 AM
In response to a much earlier post by joetheblow:
The problem with communism is simple: People.
the problem with democracy is the same. Or socialism. Or an 'enlightened dictatorship'. Or... you get the idea.
It's an over-simplified answer to things - but, it's true.
The problem with communism is simple: People.
the problem with democracy is the same. Or socialism. Or an 'enlightened dictatorship'. Or... you get the idea.
It's an over-simplified answer to things - but, it's true.
paxx
Reply #120 Friday, January 31, 2003 5:59 AM
Reply #120 Friday, January 31, 2003 5:59 AM
Slowtyper, our system isn't perfect. I won't deny the overcrowding. The reason is multiple:
- People go to the hospital instead of their local clinic. Hospitals should be for emergencies, some people don't get that. Waiting time at the clinic is as an average about one hour (if your case is NOT an emergency, it can be 5 or 6 hours at the hospital emergency room if you're stupid enough to go there). Which isn't too bad. Note that we also have phone clinic where nurses can give you advice by phone if you're not sure if you should be seeing a doctor or not.
- Our doctor ears about half of what your doctors earn. So we suffer from a lack of doctors, since a lot move to the USA to get rich. Another reason for the lack of physicians is that most doctors want to specialise nowadays, so although we don't lack of specialists, we do not have enough general practicians.
- For a reason I don't understand the governement gives a quota to doctors. After they reach a certain limit in income, they are not going to be payed more, no matter how many more patients they see after that. So, as a result, doctors now refuse to see more patients. This quota thing is stupid, I'll give you that.
Other than that, OUR health system is considered the best in the World. Even your previous administration (Clinton) took it as an examplary. People from all over the World also try to immigrate in Canada. And more and more Americans now buy they medication from Canada, where it is much cheaper (because of governement regulations).
About the hobo: you didn't get my point. I took the hobo as an example of the poor. No matter how poor you are (whether it's of your own choosing or not) you deserve the same quality of care than any rich man. Mind you, I'n not talking about luxury care here, such as plastic surgery and stuff, but normal health care.
- People go to the hospital instead of their local clinic. Hospitals should be for emergencies, some people don't get that. Waiting time at the clinic is as an average about one hour (if your case is NOT an emergency, it can be 5 or 6 hours at the hospital emergency room if you're stupid enough to go there). Which isn't too bad. Note that we also have phone clinic where nurses can give you advice by phone if you're not sure if you should be seeing a doctor or not.
- Our doctor ears about half of what your doctors earn. So we suffer from a lack of doctors, since a lot move to the USA to get rich. Another reason for the lack of physicians is that most doctors want to specialise nowadays, so although we don't lack of specialists, we do not have enough general practicians.
- For a reason I don't understand the governement gives a quota to doctors. After they reach a certain limit in income, they are not going to be payed more, no matter how many more patients they see after that. So, as a result, doctors now refuse to see more patients. This quota thing is stupid, I'll give you that.
Other than that, OUR health system is considered the best in the World. Even your previous administration (Clinton) took it as an examplary. People from all over the World also try to immigrate in Canada. And more and more Americans now buy they medication from Canada, where it is much cheaper (because of governement regulations).
About the hobo: you didn't get my point. I took the hobo as an example of the poor. No matter how poor you are (whether it's of your own choosing or not) you deserve the same quality of care than any rich man. Mind you, I'n not talking about luxury care here, such as plastic surgery and stuff, but normal health care.
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Reply #101 Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:17 PM