A formal complaint against WinCustomize.
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 by UBoB | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
The recent rating scandal surrounding my skin "BrassLine" prompted me to conduct a test. I noticed that the download totals seemed to sit a certain number (50) for a dispropotionate length of time. So, I therefore contacted 15 of my personal friends and asked them to visit WinCustomize and download the "BrassLine" skin at a predetermined time. 10 minutes after that predetermined time my friends had all sent emails indicating they had downloaded the skin. I went to WinCustomize to read my download totals. It still read 50.
I then conducted the test on one of my other skins, "Spander"
The result of that test was that the download total for spander rose by 15.
I am assuming this is a technical glitch, since I have repeatedly been told that this sort of thing would never be done on purpose by the good people at WinCustomize.
Please look into this technical problem.
Thank you.
I then conducted the test on one of my other skins, "Spander"
The result of that test was that the download total for spander rose by 15.
I am assuming this is a technical glitch, since I have repeatedly been told that this sort of thing would never be done on purpose by the good people at WinCustomize.
Please look into this technical problem.
Thank you.
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Jafo
Reply #22 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:41 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:41 PM
motion...I'm not certain that that is in fact the case, but I think it is. T-Man will let you know....
Grog
Reply #23 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:01 PM
Reply #23 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:01 PM
Since this seems to be the thread topic of choice today, I might as well through in my two cents. I think that the biggest problem with the rating system is that you have no idea who put the rating there, be it good or bad. If the data base can remember every skin that I have ever rated. How much of a leap would it be to code s show ratings link that would show who rated the skin and what each person rated that skin. It might, and only might cut down on the just plain mean ratings. I have no idea what this would require from T-Man and Alex and that it might not even be possible but it might be worth looking in to. One thing that was brought up is that a person should not be able to change a rating once they did it once. This I do not agree with since skins get upgraded and fixed and made better and a skin that I thought was only a 7 on Monday could end up being a 10 by Friday, and it would not be fair to the author to leave it lower than it should deserve. Just a thought that might help slow the war that seems to be catching fire once again.
Chris
Chris
Grog
Reply #24 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Reply #24 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:12 PM
After reading my post again and noticing all of the typo's that I missed, please don't rate my above post to harshly Darn I must be tired since I even used ieSpell 
Have a great night all.
Darn I must be tired since I even used ieSpell 
Have a great night all.
paxx
Reply #25 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:27 PM
Reply #25 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:27 PM
Grog: I think that the biggest problem with the rating system is that you have no idea who put the rating there, ...
Very true. I personnaly would give a whole lot more value to ratings if I knew who they came from. For example, a 10 given by somebody that I know just gives 10's all around would not please me as much as 10 given by somebody that usually rates very severely. Also, I would value a lot more a rating from a talented artist such as treetog then a rating from somebody who can rate only cause he paid a subscription although he has no idea what skinning involves and how much work doing this or that is...
But anyway. Been there done that. It was also discussed in the past to make ratings not anonymous anymore. It didn't fly because it would cut down the number of ratings, which are already very low. Also people would be more intimidated to give low ratings.
There is no perfect solution. But I would still like to know who the ratings are from. In the rare time I rate, I usually leave my rating number in a comment as well, to let the author know how much I gave him for rating. And I appreciate when people do it on my things too.
Very true. I personnaly would give a whole lot more value to ratings if I knew who they came from. For example, a 10 given by somebody that I know just gives 10's all around would not please me as much as 10 given by somebody that usually rates very severely. Also, I would value a lot more a rating from a talented artist such as treetog then a rating from somebody who can rate only cause he paid a subscription although he has no idea what skinning involves and how much work doing this or that is...
But anyway. Been there done that. It was also discussed in the past to make ratings not anonymous anymore. It didn't fly because it would cut down the number of ratings, which are already very low. Also people would be more intimidated to give low ratings.
There is no perfect solution. But I would still like to know who the ratings are from. In the rare time I rate, I usually leave my rating number in a comment as well, to let the author know how much I gave him for rating. And I appreciate when people do it on my things too.
Grog
Reply #26 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:20 PM
Reply #26 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:20 PM
Paxx,
I was fairly sure that the idea had been brought up before, since we have rehashed this so many times in the past. If I remember correctly it was one of the very first heated debates that was had on this message board. It almost seems to be on a set schedule to rear it's ugly head about once every six months. I rate skins that I like and I will admit that I have never been one to rate a skin very low in 99 percent of the cases because I can see the effort that goes into the worst of skins. In the end these threads will fall off the end and we will be back here again in a few months. I hope that this ends in soon like all the rest. It being the season of giving, I think that the discomfort and ugly emotions that this entire argument produces is counter productive at best.
Chris
I was fairly sure that the idea had been brought up before, since we have rehashed this so many times in the past. If I remember correctly it was one of the very first heated debates that was had on this message board. It almost seems to be on a set schedule to rear it's ugly head about once every six months. I rate skins that I like and I will admit that I have never been one to rate a skin very low in 99 percent of the cases because I can see the effort that goes into the worst of skins. In the end these threads will fall off the end and we will be back here again in a few months. I hope that this ends in soon like all the rest. It being the season of giving, I think that the discomfort and ugly emotions that this entire argument produces is counter productive at best.
Chris
ShrededHumanz
Reply #27 Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:14 AM
Reply #27 Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:14 AM
It's not about rating's its about art and expression. Never forget that. Van Gough and many others died unknown and broke. It was'nt till recently that I emailed Treetog to tell how much I love his skins, (when I use skins.)
Create to create and nothing more. If you have passion thats where its truly at.
Create to create and nothing more. If you have passion thats where its truly at.
JamMeister33
Reply #28 Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:34 AM
Reply #28 Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:34 AM
My Momma always said, "Life is like a Passion Fruit", what she meant by this I don't know....
JamMeister33
Reply #29 Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:35 AM
Reply #29 Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:35 AM
"Please pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...."
Jafo
Reply #31 Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:51 AM
Reply #31 Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:51 AM
Oh if only it was once every six months....I wish....
UBoB
Reply #32 Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:29 AM
Reply #32 Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:29 AM
If you all read the original post you will see, that although there is a reference to a problem I had with ratings the real point of the post was to bring attention to a possible technical problem with the counting of download totals.
Somehow, it became another "Ratings, love 'em, hate 'em, live with 'em" post.
I have learned to live with them. In fact I welcome them now. All that I ask, is when I receive a low rating that the person who gave me the rating have the intestinal fortitude to stand up and list the problems with the skin that made it warrant a low rating. That is all.
Somehow, it became another "Ratings, love 'em, hate 'em, live with 'em" post.
I have learned to live with them. In fact I welcome them now. All that I ask, is when I receive a low rating that the person who gave me the rating have the intestinal fortitude to stand up and list the problems with the skin that made it warrant a low rating. That is all.
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Reply #21 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:24 PM