Windows 7 and Windows Updates

Sunday, October 6, 2013 by kona0197 | Discussion: Personal Computing

So I have noticed that this computer I am fixing for a friend works better if I don't install any updates. So my question is do I really need to update the machine? As long as I use a good anti virus solution shouldn't I be OK?

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Jafo
Reply #1 Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:03 PM

Yes.

No.

MS doesn't release updates for fun.  Their intent is to resolve actual issues...

kona0197
Reply #2 Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:09 PM

Yeah. But installing updates makes this machine slower. I've tested it both ways.

RedneckDude
Reply #3 Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:17 PM

Yes.

No.

But do be smart about which updates you install.

 

Example, don't let Windows Update update your graphics driver. Get that from the graphics card maker. (nVidia, ATI, etc.) And only do that if your current driver is problematic.

RedneckDude
Reply #4 Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:20 PM

kona0197

Yeah. But installing updates makes this machine slower. I've tested it both ways.

A slow machine is better than a hacked machine. Security updates are called that for a reason. Not updating your PC isn't smart.

kona0197
Reply #5 Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:45 PM

Well OK. It's just funny that it is faster before updates. Why I help fix up these low end machines is beyond me. You would think a single core AMD Athlon 2.4 GHZ could handle an updated machine. Maybe it needs more RAM. It will have to wait.

Wizard1956
Reply #6 Monday, October 7, 2013 12:16 AM

kona0197
Why I help fix up these low end machines is beyond me.
Because we can, and we all know people who just can't afford to replace aging hardware. Unfortunately, the owners often think they can be "fixed" to be as fast as new equipment that they may be comparing it to.

That ain't gonna happen.

On that note, after an OS re-install, the very FIRST thing I do is install all MS updates. They are a needed part of the OS. The last factory restore I did required 190 Windows updates afterwards. It got every one of them.

Judge the results of the repairs/upgrades with them installed, not without.

kona0197
Reply #7 Monday, October 7, 2013 12:26 AM

Well then what could be slowing down this machine? It has the AMD Atlon LE-1620 CPU running at 2.4 GHz, 2 GB of DDR2-800, and a 160 GB hard drive. It is running Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 with all the updates. Every driver on the system is up to date. And it's so slow it can't handle playing back a song with WMP while cruising a website with IE. When you scroll the web page, the music skips. Could it be the AV program? I'm using Avast. I have everything turned off in MSCONFIG and I turned off Windows Search and Windows Defender. The only programs running at boot are Avast and Core Temp, a little program that shows the CPU temp next to the clock. Going nuts here.

RedneckDude
Reply #8 Monday, October 7, 2013 12:46 AM

Open task manager, go to processes tab, click the show all box, bottom left. How many processes running while you have IE open and a song playing?

 

Look at what is using the most CPU and RAM.

 

Even old hardware shouldn't be making the music "skip" while scrolling a web page.

 

Avast is a resource hog, BTW.

Wizard1956
Reply #9 Monday, October 7, 2013 12:46 AM

kona0197
I'm using Avast
Getting rid of that is a good place to start. I used to like Avast, and used it for years, but lately, I've dumped it on my XP rig, my Mothers Dell (Vista)and Toshiba laptop (Win 7). It seemed to be more and more of a load on the systems, plus I didn't care for Avast offering updates to other software. I want my AV to focus on itself, not other software.

Switched her to MSE as did I on XP. The speed gained was significant. Give it a try, Terry.

kona0197
Reply #10 Monday, October 7, 2013 12:57 AM

RedneckDude
Open task manager, go to processes tab, click the show all box, bottom left. How many processes running while you have IE open and a song playing?

59 processes are running.

RedneckDude
Look at what is using the most CPU and RAM.

IE is using the most resources, followed by iTunes. IE is using 689K of memory, iTunes is using 14K of memory, Flash is third worst at 13K.

Wizard1956
Switched her to MSE as did I on XP. The speed gained was significant. Give it a try, Terry.

OK. But I really don't like that I can't turn off the auto updates. I will report back with my findings.

RedneckDude
Reply #11 Monday, October 7, 2013 1:04 AM

Kona, 59 processes is a lot for a single core processor. iTunes is a hog as well.

Hell, even my phone has a dual core processor.

 

kona0197
Reply #12 Monday, October 7, 2013 1:52 AM

After uninstalling Avast, installing MSE, and a reboot, the system is using 51 processes. All I have open is IE. IE is using 314K of memory. MsMpEng is using 47K. One of the 12 svchost.exe processes is using 83K. Explorer is using 13K.

Still slow as hell.

Malewarebytes scan comes up clean.

I would upgrade the CPU if I had the means. Maybe sometime around the holidays.

alaknebs
Reply #13 Monday, October 7, 2013 1:56 AM

try one of them ?buntu with low resource usage?

no idea if it'll be better or worse...

Jafo
Reply #14 Monday, October 7, 2013 8:48 AM

I have an 'equivalent' vintage system running 7 ult 32bit ....a P4 1.6 with 2G ram.

Feels like it takes a month to boot....

....doesn't skip the audio while surfing though...

IE 10 and Winamp.

I have no interest in Itune crap.....or Avast.

kona0197
Reply #15 Monday, October 7, 2013 10:42 AM

alaknebs
try one of them ?buntu with low resource usage?

I would but I need Windows for the majority of the programs I use and enjoy, and of course my games.

IE 10 and Winamp.

I never understood your deal with Winamp. iTunes is so much easier to use.

DrJBHL
Reply #16 Monday, October 7, 2013 11:08 AM

MSE? You really don't want to do that. It's like trying to stop an artillery shell with wet tissues. Do the MS updates as they have updated viral definitions as well as security patches you should not do without. Slower but safer is definitely the way to go.

At least create a Guest account and browse using that, and disable javascript in your browser.

With a low end or old machine, turn off 'hardware acceleration' in your browser. Hardware acceleration for an older machine really will just make it work slower. Use the software acceleration choice.

RedneckDude
Reply #17 Monday, October 7, 2013 11:43 AM

kona0197
iTunes is so much easier to use.

And is such a resource hog.

GFireflyE
Reply #18 Monday, October 7, 2013 11:45 AM

Yes.

No.

MS doesn't release updates for fun.  Their intent is to resolve actual issues...

and to slow down your machine to give users the impression that win8 is better.

 

Last XP update I did near crippled my machine. Went from a 28 sec boot time to a 4:18 boot time. They really want me to upgrade my OS.

 

Philly0381
Reply #19 Monday, October 7, 2013 11:49 AM

I'm by no means an expert but have you looked at other programs that might be running in the background?  Do you have several tabs open in IE and are they updating the info?  Sorry if you have looked at these or if I'm way off the mark. 

heft
Reply #20 Monday, October 7, 2013 2:11 PM

Wizard1956
Switched her to MSE as did I on XP. The speed gained was significant. Give it a try, Terry.

Not my experience at all. In fact precisely the reverse. MSE slows everything down on XP compared to Avast. On my Win7 machines, it's not noticeable, I think because they have better hardware. 

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