Re Iraq Poll
Tuesday, October 8, 2002 by Fuzzy Logic | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I voted for option 3. However, Saddam should have been sorted out during the gulf war. We had the chance to chop his ass into tiny pieces right then. Problem sorted. Because that route wasn't taken then we have the situation now whereby either action or inaction is unacceptable. Plus the additional suffering caused to the people of Iraq by Saddam over the intervening period since the gulf war and the almost immediate butchering of the Kurds. We really left them with their flies open.
All too late and all too frantic. This is not going to end well for anyone.
All too late and all too frantic. This is not going to end well for anyone.
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bakerstreet
Reply #62 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:34 PM
Reply #62 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:34 PM
I didn't go to nuke school like they wanted when I was 18, so now I am I'm off to join the Pasty-White-GeekTroll corps. At 32 they oughtta make me a general...
I'm well acquainted with the use of a rail-gun, plasma rifle, and the BFG10k, so all I need to do is learn where the Iraqi spawn points are and I'll be a campin' madman. Lag could be a problem, though, the Chinese have laid a lot of fiber there lately. I figure their ping times will be pretty good. If i get lucky with the Quad Damage you should all be safe in no more than a couple days.
PH34R M3 3V1l D03rs!!
(and if I can't find the recruiter for the Space Marines (HUMILIATION!), I think I'll just make supper and then skin some more. I wish the check for my hosting would clear...)
I'm well acquainted with the use of a rail-gun, plasma rifle, and the BFG10k, so all I need to do is learn where the Iraqi spawn points are and I'll be a campin' madman. Lag could be a problem, though, the Chinese have laid a lot of fiber there lately. I figure their ping times will be pretty good. If i get lucky with the Quad Damage you should all be safe in no more than a couple days.
PH34R M3 3V1l D03rs!!
(and if I can't find the recruiter for the Space Marines (HUMILIATION!), I think I'll just make supper and then skin some more. I wish the check for my hosting would clear...)
Kinrik
Reply #63 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:46 PM
Reply #63 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:46 PM
voice all you want.
i'm just saying politics and war suck in a place where creation is the emphasis.
just voicing my opinion as well.
you don't see me as a moderator here striking your posts, do you? (this time "you" means moshi)
i'm just saying politics and war suck in a place where creation is the emphasis.
just voicing my opinion as well.
you don't see me as a moderator here striking your posts, do you? (this time "you" means moshi)
Kinrik
Reply #64 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:48 PM
Reply #64 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:48 PM
on an almost-related-but-not-really note, i grabbed the demo of Unreal Tournament 2003 a few days ago...sweet...
moshi
Reply #65 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:51 PM
Reply #65 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:51 PM
i agree with you that here is the wrong place to debate this issue. you won´t find much to strike here as i did not take part of the debate anyways. it was just your attitude that annoyned me.
Kinrik
Reply #66 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:02 PM
Reply #66 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:02 PM
sorry. after looking back on some of the posts i make, i feel the same way. like bakerstreet has said a million times...why don't we have an edit feature for our own posts?
i just got done reading back looking for your posts as a matter of fact, trying to find your reference to "other goals in my live than learning how to kill people" but couldn't see where you listed any of them(goals).
then again, i have "been there, done that" as far as serving during wartime, and it irks the hell out of me when people assume they can enjoy their freedoms without a cost and ask "can't we all just get along" like a college professor who has just gotten off the bong.
i admit i suck in a debate/discussion. i get my feathers ruffled quick and tend to pounce first, forgetting to ask questions period. so again, no offense moshi, or anyone else i pissed off.
i thinnk i'll stop posting on this thread so ya'll don't think i'm attacking you and you can go on with yer discussions. enjoy
i just got done reading back looking for your posts as a matter of fact, trying to find your reference to "other goals in my live than learning how to kill people" but couldn't see where you listed any of them(goals).
then again, i have "been there, done that" as far as serving during wartime, and it irks the hell out of me when people assume they can enjoy their freedoms without a cost and ask "can't we all just get along" like a college professor who has just gotten off the bong.
i admit i suck in a debate/discussion. i get my feathers ruffled quick and tend to pounce first, forgetting to ask questions period. so again, no offense moshi, or anyone else i pissed off.
i thinnk i'll stop posting on this thread so ya'll don't think i'm attacking you and you can go on with yer discussions. enjoy
ToeJo
Reply #67 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:11 PM
Reply #67 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:11 PM
How's the weather? I think it's supposed to rain tomorrow. Bummer! 
Bangkokboy
Reply #68 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:12 PM
Reply #68 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:12 PM
It used to be just the military who were really in harm's way because the oceans insulated us. Now uninvolved civilians are in harm's way, and all they had to do to get there was go to the office to work.
BTW m, during all the years I trained in the military my life's goal was to prevent war. Second highest goal was to stay alive. Third highest goal was to have a family and a life. As far as goals go, killing people never made the list.
BTW m, during all the years I trained in the military my life's goal was to prevent war. Second highest goal was to stay alive. Third highest goal was to have a family and a life. As far as goals go, killing people never made the list.
moshi
Reply #69 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:26 PM
Reply #69 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:26 PM
i have to apologize as well. it was wrong to say that "learning how to kill people" is the main goal of people who join the military. sorry, sometimes i type faster than i think ...
Kinrik
Reply #71 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:40 PM
Reply #71 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 5:40 PM
just a quick clarification...then i'm gone.
when i said:
after looking back on some of the posts i make, i feel the same way
it was referring to moshi saying:
it was just your attitude that annoyned me
and what i meant was that my attitude (the way my written communication comes across) sometimes annoys me to...which is why i wish i had an edit feature, so i could reword the stuff a little better.
Kinrik ducks out and back over to the message board marathon thread...
when i said:
after looking back on some of the posts i make, i feel the same way
it was referring to moshi saying:
it was just your attitude that annoyned me
and what i meant was that my attitude (the way my written communication comes across) sometimes annoys me to...which is why i wish i had an edit feature, so i could reword the stuff a little better.
Kinrik ducks out and back over to the message board marathon thread...
bakerstreet
Reply #72 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 7:34 PM
Reply #72 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 7:34 PM
(wow... no one is posting... *ahem*)
Yeah, well, you guys, are... a, um, bunch of hippies... or something... and, and you're, like, wrong, and stuff...
ha, take that...
Yeah, well, you guys, are... a, um, bunch of hippies... or something... and, and you're, like, wrong, and stuff...
ha, take that...
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #73 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 7:44 PM
Reply #73 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 7:44 PM
Woah dude, started something here. Much simpler back in the 60s. If you didn't like someone, you threatened to nuke em.
Tammo1
Reply #74 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:07 PM
Reply #74 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:07 PM
Hey we can't forget something here guys. Why didn't Bush Sr. just take out Saddam a long time ago? Was it really just a dumb mistake like we all think? Or was it for a purpose? It's possilbe that Bush used Saddam as a wet blanket on Iraq's economy. He's totally screwing it up and keeping Iraq from becoming a world power. Is this such a bad thing? As long as we can keep his nuclear toys away, we should be fine, right? That doesn't do much for the Iraqi people, but if they want a new leader, they can do it for themselves like the US did back in the Revolutionary war.
I'm just here to discuss, not get personal. Skinning is about creating, so lets create some ideas in a friendly atmosphere. Arrighty?
I'm just here to discuss, not get personal. Skinning is about creating, so lets create some ideas in a friendly atmosphere. Arrighty?
Tammo1
Reply #75 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:08 PM
Reply #75 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:08 PM
Hey we can't forget something here guys. Why didn't Bush Sr. just take out Saddam a long time ago? Was it really just a dumb mistake like we all think? Or was it for a purpose? It's possilbe that Bush used Saddam as a wet blanket on Iraq's economy. He's totally screwing it up and keeping Iraq from becoming a world power. Is this such a bad thing? As long as we can keep his nuclear toys away, we should be fine, right? That doesn't do much for the Iraqi people, but if they want a new leader, they can do it for themselves like the US did back in the Revolutionary war.
I'm just here to discuss, not get personal. Skinning is about creating, so lets create some ideas in a friendly atmosphere. Arrighty?
I'm just here to discuss, not get personal. Skinning is about creating, so lets create some ideas in a friendly atmosphere. Arrighty?
Frogboy
Reply #76 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:14 PM
Reply #76 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:14 PM
I don't recall nearly this much debate and anguish when the United States unilaterally invaded Panama to replace the regime there.
But I agree, going after Iraq would be unprecedented...Iraq is spelled very differently than Panama.
Sure, Iraq regularly fired on US planes flying over the UN authorized no-fly zone. And sure, he violated most of the cease fire provisions. And sure, there's lots of evidence to show that he is pursuing weapons of mass destruction (another thing he agreed to not pursue in exchnage for the cease fire).
I say, let's wait until after Iraq announces it has nuclear weapons or at the very least wait until New York or some other large coastal city gets vaporized in nuclear death. Of course, in the latter's case, we won't be able to prove exactly who did it so we won't be able to justifiably do anything about it. So maybe we should just keep waiting even then.
Oops, the space ship has arrived, time to go.
But I agree, going after Iraq would be unprecedented...Iraq is spelled very differently than Panama.
Sure, Iraq regularly fired on US planes flying over the UN authorized no-fly zone. And sure, he violated most of the cease fire provisions. And sure, there's lots of evidence to show that he is pursuing weapons of mass destruction (another thing he agreed to not pursue in exchnage for the cease fire).
I say, let's wait until after Iraq announces it has nuclear weapons or at the very least wait until New York or some other large coastal city gets vaporized in nuclear death. Of course, in the latter's case, we won't be able to prove exactly who did it so we won't be able to justifiably do anything about it. So maybe we should just keep waiting even then.
Oops, the space ship has arrived, time to go.
Tammo1
Reply #78 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:30 PM
Reply #78 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:30 PM
Just because we're not in the armed forces doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about our own countries foreign policy. The Army exists to protect the citizens, not for it's own sense of self. I'm grateful that it exists personally, but I think my favorite Winnie the Pooh character says it best "God gave me a tail to swat the flies, but I'd rather have no tail and no flies."
paxx
Reply #79 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 10:06 PM
Reply #79 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 10:06 PM
Just like you said Brad, yep. Lets wait till then. I have a weird neighbour and I'll wait also until he does something before I go kill him.
paxx
Reply #80 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 10:40 PM
Reply #80 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 10:40 PM
No, really. As I said before. The idea is to get the UN together on this and to continue to put military pressure on him until he finaly accepts to let the UN inspectors do their job, without any condition whatsoever.
There is no proof that Iraq indeed has mass destruction weapons. It's possible, but not a fact. The head of the UN inspector delegations said it himself. I don't know where you guys get your proof, but I've heard of none. And since when does Iraq "regularely" fires US planes? I've heard of none at all. Only once in August 2001, a US spy plane (with no pilot) was shot down. That's more than a year ago and no one was killed other than the 3 Iraki and the 15 wounded from the US/UK attack that followed that incident.
Sorry this post is so much later than my previous one, but I had to do some research about that plane crash, just to be sure I wasn't wrong.
I think you like to exagerate a bit, Brad, as usual, huh?
There is no proof that Iraq indeed has mass destruction weapons. It's possible, but not a fact. The head of the UN inspector delegations said it himself. I don't know where you guys get your proof, but I've heard of none. And since when does Iraq "regularely" fires US planes? I've heard of none at all. Only once in August 2001, a US spy plane (with no pilot) was shot down. That's more than a year ago and no one was killed other than the 3 Iraki and the 15 wounded from the US/UK attack that followed that incident.
Sorry this post is so much later than my previous one, but I had to do some research about that plane crash, just to be sure I wasn't wrong.
I think you like to exagerate a bit, Brad, as usual, huh?
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Reply #61 Wednesday, October 9, 2002 4:33 PM