A killing doubt
Thursday, June 13, 2002 by treetog | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Well, after wishing a notebook for years, now I have the opportunity to buy one.
Untill here, everything is fine, but after studing a lot of models and brands I came up with to different (and great, in my opinion) machines.
1- Toshiba Satellite 5105 S607
http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodList.jsp?comm=CS&plin=Portable%20Computers
2- Sony Vaio GRX 570
http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/grx/index.shtml
I can have any of them on a good deal here, both at the same price.
I am more for the Toshiba one, but...Any advise?
In fact, this is not a killing doubt but a sweet one.
Untill here, everything is fine, but after studing a lot of models and brands I came up with to different (and great, in my opinion) machines.
1- Toshiba Satellite 5105 S607
http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodList.jsp?comm=CS&plin=Portable%20Computers
2- Sony Vaio GRX 570
http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/grx/index.shtml
I can have any of them on a good deal here, both at the same price.
I am more for the Toshiba one, but...Any advise?
In fact, this is not a killing doubt but a sweet one.
 |
|
Page 1 of 2 | |
|
|---|
Mike Divine
Reply #2 Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:17 PM
Reply #2 Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:17 PM
Treetog, I ONLY use notebooks, and have a IBM T22, Dell I3700 and a Mac iBook "ICE" and am in the market for another. Toshiba's book is just fantastic to the point that I am selling the Mac and Dell to help offset the cost of the Toshiba. So what does this all mean to you? I have friends that have both of which you are looking at. AND the Toshiba is my choice, it is one NICE/FAST/GREAT VIDEO/Great everything.
IMAO. Mike
IMAO. Mike
skinner7892
Reply #3 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:22 PM
Reply #3 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:22 PM
My first advise would be not to get too aroused by paper specs. Although they might seem to be great deals on paper (or screen ), it doesn't mean they offer the level of quality you would expect. That why I would recommend first to verify about customer support. I know many people overlook this aspect but don't make this mistake. Take the time to get informed on this point. If you happen to have defective parts, like Toshiba got me used to from my own experience with them in a corporate environment, you'll be glad you have checked this point out before making your choice.
Also, check about memory. Sony is using 2x256 which should leave no spare slot for future expansion, if any (not mentionned on their pdf). Toshiba doesn't specify the setup but since their 512MB module will only available in fall 2002, I assume the 512MB they provide also uses 2x256. If so, no expansion slot available to reach the 1GB supported.
Battery. Did i read correctly? 1.68 hours of battery life for the Toshiba? Sorry to say but, gosh, it sucks! If paper specs are that low, it means that under any above-normal-use (lot of disk swapping or cpu intensive apps) you'll get out of juice quicker than you can think of. Important thing to think about if you're a roaming type of user.
Heating. I would advise also to look for overheating problems. Also, it would be good to check where and how much heat is dissipated. I'm myseld a laptop user for the past few years and nothing is more annoying than feeling your thighs being toasted by heat dissipation when working elsewhere than on a desk
Weight. Both portables weight quite a bit. I currently have an Inspiron 8100 which weight around 7 pounds and it shows! If you plan to move a lot with your portable, you may want to consider the weight factor.
LCD/graphic quality. Not all LCD look the same. Check for any blur, lack of brightness/contrast, lack of crispness, etc. I currently have a 15.1" 1600x1200 LCD on my laptop but I don't find the brightness and contrast to be as high as it could have been, although quality wise, it is very crisp. Since 16" LCD is quite new, I would make sure it has been well designed. And don't take for granted that since it's a Sony, it is also s Sony LCD. Toshiba for example uses Fujitsu LCD in some of their laptops.
I would have some other thoughts to share but I think it's enough for now
), it doesn't mean they offer the level of quality you would expect. That why I would recommend first to verify about customer support. I know many people overlook this aspect but don't make this mistake. Take the time to get informed on this point. If you happen to have defective parts, like Toshiba got me used to from my own experience with them in a corporate environment, you'll be glad you have checked this point out before making your choice.Also, check about memory. Sony is using 2x256 which should leave no spare slot for future expansion, if any (not mentionned on their pdf). Toshiba doesn't specify the setup but since their 512MB module will only available in fall 2002, I assume the 512MB they provide also uses 2x256. If so, no expansion slot available to reach the 1GB supported.
Battery. Did i read correctly? 1.68 hours of battery life for the Toshiba? Sorry to say but, gosh, it sucks! If paper specs are that low, it means that under any above-normal-use (lot of disk swapping or cpu intensive apps) you'll get out of juice quicker than you can think of. Important thing to think about if you're a roaming type of user.
Heating. I would advise also to look for overheating problems. Also, it would be good to check where and how much heat is dissipated. I'm myseld a laptop user for the past few years and nothing is more annoying than feeling your thighs being toasted by heat dissipation when working elsewhere than on a desk
Weight. Both portables weight quite a bit. I currently have an Inspiron 8100 which weight around 7 pounds and it shows! If you plan to move a lot with your portable, you may want to consider the weight factor.
LCD/graphic quality. Not all LCD look the same. Check for any blur, lack of brightness/contrast, lack of crispness, etc. I currently have a 15.1" 1600x1200 LCD on my laptop but I don't find the brightness and contrast to be as high as it could have been, although quality wise, it is very crisp. Since 16" LCD is quite new, I would make sure it has been well designed. And don't take for granted that since it's a Sony, it is also s Sony LCD. Toshiba for example uses Fujitsu LCD in some of their laptops.
I would have some other thoughts to share but I think it's enough for now
Doreen
Reply #4 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:22 PM
Reply #4 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:22 PM
Go w/ the Sony Vaio
Doreen has a PCG-SR17K It's never failed me yet, and many a long nights it comes to my bed w/ me
(long hours of work get your minds outta the gutter!) hehe
great machine and gorgeous display for such a small screen, plus has the added benefits of the dig slot and jog dial for moving around fast and stuff...
Toshibas always look tacky to me (sorry toshiba owners butttt it does!)
Doreen has a PCG-SR17K It's never failed me yet, and many a long nights it comes to my bed w/ me
(long hours of work get your minds outta the gutter!) hehe
great machine and gorgeous display for such a small screen, plus has the added benefits of the dig slot and jog dial for moving around fast and stuff...
Toshibas always look tacky to me (sorry toshiba owners butttt it does!)
Doreen
Reply #5 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:27 PM
Reply #5 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:27 PM
or listen to Flippy hehe
I can only say both my DT and my Lap are both Sony's & have been faithfull and I ride all my stuff very hard...
my other machines are Compaq, Dell and forgot the other one collecting dust because they choke on me, my kids use them to play on...
I can only say both my DT and my Lap are both Sony's & have been faithfull and I ride all my stuff very hard...
my other machines are Compaq, Dell and forgot the other one collecting dust because they choke on me, my kids use them to play on...
Jafo
Reply #6 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:47 PM
Reply #6 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:47 PM
Renato...I don't know anything about them except that Doreen sleeps with them so she's an expert...listen to her...
treetog
Reply #7 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:49 PM
Reply #7 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:49 PM
Well,
Thank you so much guys! Without any "doubt" this will help a lot for me to to make my choice.
As far as I know, here in Brazil, Toshiba have a much better support service then Sony.
I will keep you guys updated about what I am going to do.
Once again, thank you guys for the advise.
Thank you so much guys! Without any "doubt" this will help a lot for me to to make my choice.
As far as I know, here in Brazil, Toshiba have a much better support service then Sony.
I will keep you guys updated about what I am going to do.
Once again, thank you guys for the advise.
Doreen
Reply #8 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:51 PM
Reply #8 Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:51 PM
sorry treetog don't know how the support for sony is cuz me never needs to call for it
but whatever you do, don't buy a compaq the support is none...
Goodluck w/ your new machine!
but whatever you do, don't buy a compaq the support is none...
Goodluck w/ your new machine!
Doreen
Reply #11 Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:18 PM
Reply #11 Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:18 PM
hehe treetog
Jafo you be quiet and go try and fix that broken down machine of yours you're having troubles with!
Jafo you be quiet and go try and fix that broken down machine of yours you're having troubles with!
skinner7892
Reply #12 Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:19 PM
Reply #12 Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:19 PM
In your case treetog, I would also look for a "skinnable" laptop so if you get bored of the blue, you can always change it 
md2433
Reply #13 Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:36 PM
Reply #13 Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:36 PM
Doreen is VERY much correct on all she has said. Just do this, check on support, "Yes, Sony and Toshiba's will break down" and look at BOTH of them and use them as much as you can in the store. Bottom line, they are BOTH great machines from Great companys. Doreen, I used to work for Compaq and Dell as a Configuration Eng., and I WOULD NOT BUY ANOTHER ONE, either Compaq or Dell. Just keep us going on what you get, and is that BLUE look sooooooooo nice?????? Oh Yes........... Just like your skins that I LOVE...
Mike
Mike
adni18
Reply #14 Friday, June 14, 2002 3:08 AM
Reply #14 Friday, June 14, 2002 3:08 AM
You are lucky treetog that you are buying laptop NOW!
Both models are supporting big resolutions!
I have change my laptop 3 times in one year and still I have max resolution 1024x768 @$#%#%
Does anybody knows, if there is any software or something, that can alter my resolution from 1024 to a higher one???
Both models are supporting big resolutions!
I have change my laptop 3 times in one year and still I have max resolution 1024x768 @$#%#%
Does anybody knows, if there is any software or something, that can alter my resolution from 1024 to a higher one???
craeonics
Reply #15 Friday, June 14, 2002 4:14 AM
Reply #15 Friday, June 14, 2002 4:14 AM
If it's blue I wouldn't buy it. Go for a black one.
Adni, I know nothing about laptops, but I do know (well, "know", I expect) that they have an optimum resolution. So altering it via software would result in a decrease in display quality.
Adni, I know nothing about laptops, but I do know (well, "know", I expect) that they have an optimum resolution. So altering it via software would result in a decrease in display quality.
MikeB314
Reply #16 Friday, June 14, 2002 6:39 AM
Reply #16 Friday, June 14, 2002 6:39 AM
I have that problem too, Adni18. Also, I regret that I got a laptop with only 12MB of video RAM and I cannot upgrade it. My video adaptor is permenantly built in, and the resolution is limited by what the display can handle. I do have a nice big display though.
Next time I buy a laptop, video RAM and resolution will be a major part of my decision making criteria. At the time I bought this one, it was about as close to a high powered desktop machine as you could get. These days, you can get laptops that rival many desktop PCs. I want a new one!
Next time I buy a laptop, video RAM and resolution will be a major part of my decision making criteria. At the time I bought this one, it was about as close to a high powered desktop machine as you could get. These days, you can get laptops that rival many desktop PCs. I want a new one!
paxx
Reply #17 Friday, June 14, 2002 7:01 AM
Reply #17 Friday, June 14, 2002 7:01 AM
When buying expensive items such as computers, I am pretty conservative, I don't take chances. Toshiba has been making lpatops for a great number of years and always had a good reputation. Sony only entered the computer market recently, and not with a lot of success at first. When it first entered the market 2 years ago, the VAIO was considered a very cool looking computer, but otherwise a piece of s... It may have changed since then, but I wouldn't chance it myself... A few thoushand dollars is a lot of money to gamble.
paxx
Reply #18 Friday, June 14, 2002 7:08 AM
Reply #18 Friday, June 14, 2002 7:08 AM
Read CNET's reviews:
http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1027-404-9432414.html?tag=pdtl-list
http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1027-404-8943263.html?tag=pdtl-list
They are both rated 8/10.
http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1027-404-9432414.html?tag=pdtl-list
http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1027-404-8943263.html?tag=pdtl-list
They are both rated 8/10.
skinner7892
Reply #19 Friday, June 14, 2002 10:15 AM
Reply #19 Friday, June 14, 2002 10:15 AM
Adni18, no you can't go beyond the "physical" resolution of your LCD screen (doesn't work the same way as a conventional CRT screen). It can do lower res but not higher. But, if you have a good enough video card (with enough video ram on it), you should be able to break the 1024x788 barrier by using an external monitor.
To complement the reviews links paxx kindly provided, I would also personnaly check the opinions users gave and particularly *negative* opinions so I can see what some users disliked about the portables. IMHO, positives opinions are more than often useless because they offer not much than "WOW. Great machine. Incredible deal. Surpasses my previous P2 300. It looks so cool. etc." Negative ones though tend to be given by people who have experienced the hardware and forged a stronger opinion. Not all opinion of course worth something but still gives you an idea for recurring problems, if any (ie, heating problems, noisy hd, tech support, etc.)
To complement the reviews links paxx kindly provided, I would also personnaly check the opinions users gave and particularly *negative* opinions so I can see what some users disliked about the portables. IMHO, positives opinions are more than often useless because they offer not much than "WOW. Great machine. Incredible deal. Surpasses my previous P2 300. It looks so cool. etc." Negative ones though tend to be given by people who have experienced the hardware and forged a stronger opinion. Not all opinion of course worth something but still gives you an idea for recurring problems, if any (ie, heating problems, noisy hd, tech support, etc.)
treetog
Reply #20 Friday, June 14, 2002 6:16 PM
Reply #20 Friday, June 14, 2002 6:16 PM
well, i am very desapointed...
Today I called Toshiba Brazil, to check out one more time about the warranty and was shocked to hear that the model I am interested in is not made in Brazil, so Toshiba will not cover any kind of support to me. If I have any kind of problem with my machine, I will need to send it to US to have it fixed.
Also tried Sony, asking the same thing and their answer was the same.
Sometimes I feel shame on being in a third world country, this is ultrageous.
Well, I will wait some more time, till we have a company that supports their product, no mater where it was made.
It would be a big investment for me and I cannot afford to be out of any security.
Boy! I am really sad....the notebook was even blue.
Today I called Toshiba Brazil, to check out one more time about the warranty and was shocked to hear that the model I am interested in is not made in Brazil, so Toshiba will not cover any kind of support to me. If I have any kind of problem with my machine, I will need to send it to US to have it fixed.
Also tried Sony, asking the same thing and their answer was the same.
Sometimes I feel shame on being in a third world country, this is ultrageous.
Well, I will wait some more time, till we have a company that supports their product, no mater where it was made.
It would be a big investment for me and I cannot afford to be out of any security.
Boy! I am really sad....the notebook was even blue.
Please login to comment and/or vote for this skin.
Welcome Guest! Please take the time to register with us.
There are many great features available to you once you register, including:
- Richer content, access to many features that are disabled for guests like commenting on the forums and downloading skins.
- Access to a great community, with a massive database of many, many areas of interest.
- Access to contests & subscription offers like exclusive emails.
- It's simple, and FREE!
|
|
Page 1 of 2 | |
|
|---|
Reply #1 Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:23 PM
1. How easy is getting one repaired vs. the other. For instance, I think you don't think Sony has any direct support and you'll have to find an authorized dealer to service it. I could be wrong about that though. I don't know about Toshiba.
2. Sony has a larger screen, but as a result is probably heavier. Also double check the maximum screen resolution. I didn't see what the Sony was though the Toshiba's max resolution looks good.
3. Sony has an ATI Radeon 7500 video card while the Toshiba has a Geforce 4. I don't know what your preference is, but I'm a Geforce guy
4. The Sony has extras so you can interact with other Sony products (digital cameras and stuff) such as a memory stick port and a firewire port. I don't know if this is important to you.
5. The Sony has a battery life of about 2.5 - 3.0 hours. The Toshiba has a battery life of about 1.7 hours.
6. The CPUS's memory and hard disks seem equivalent.
So, sorry Treetog, I dunno