moon landings
Thursday, May 30, 2002 by migellito | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
i was surfing around the other day and came across pages and pages of people who are convinced we never landed on the moon.
i was wondering if anyone here subscribes to these moonlanding hoax theories?
i was wondering if anyone here subscribes to these moonlanding hoax theories?
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DavidK
Reply #42 Sunday, June 2, 2002 6:04 PM
Reply #42 Sunday, June 2, 2002 6:04 PM
The recent discovery of oceans of water on Mars (currently frozen beneath the surface) brings up the very real possibility that there was not only life, but intelligent life on Mars in the distant past. We know that a catastrophic event stripped away the atmosphere and much of the surface of Mars (estimates are around 5 million years ago). We also have found many indications of life there like the photo with 'trees' and what seem to be foundations of structures showing intelligent design. Some of the latest imaging techniques point out differences in materials that aren't visible to optical cameras.
Ancient texts are full of references to visitors from elsewhere. Ancient Vedic books talk of aircraft and even nuclear war. Technology provided by the gods who were deeply involved in local events. A recent archeological find in India, in what is believed to be the scene of one the Vedic wars, revealed skeletons of people struck down suddenly while walking down a street which have a radioactivity that matches skeletons found at Hiroshima. They found large black globs of glass all over the place that were discovered to be pottery that had been melted. The accounts of the war talk of the air being incinerated and surviving soldiers leaping into rivers to wash the poison dust from their equipment and their bodies.
The Dogon tribe in Africa was a stoneage type culture that had a perfect and accurate understanding of the star system around Sirius, the Dog star they said was a binary star with three components which they described perfectly and depicted in primitive maps and drawings. Sirius B was not accurately described by western science until the 1950's and Sirius C (the third one) was only discovered in the last few years. How did they know?
We are given a very limited version of history which excludes as impossible many things for which there is compelling evidence. People tend to allow severe limitations (imposed by academics and religious doctrine) on the interpretation of historical data. The Egyptian Pyramid Texts is a great example, as are the Vedas, the Viramana, the small amount of surviving Olmec and Maya cultural beliefs and even much of the Torah and the Bible.
It's ridiculous to think that our scientific knowledge has achieved some omniscient state of perfection. Science should be about inquiry and be open to adjusting itself to discovery. Instead, any evidence that confounds our accepted conclusions, or that our models need to be changed, seems to be hidden away and supressed.
Is there intelligent life other than the humans on planet earth? Certainly. Have we been visited or maybe even manipulated somewhere in our past by an extraterrestial race? Probably. Are the conclusions of the Warren Commission false and an intentional cover-up of a greater conspiracy? Absolutely. [The Congressional hearing regarding the results of the Warren Commission decided there was a conspiracy but stopped short of any further investigation.]
It's certainly possible that mankind had evolved a technological culture in the past that could explain a lot of the strange referrences in ancient texts. The only thing that makes it seem unlikely that there was nothing more to it than that, is all the stories that specifically talk about visitors or gods that came here from the stars. And the Dogon's map showing our solar system as it would appear if viewed from the constellation of Orion. What would be the simpler explanation?
Ancient texts are full of references to visitors from elsewhere. Ancient Vedic books talk of aircraft and even nuclear war. Technology provided by the gods who were deeply involved in local events. A recent archeological find in India, in what is believed to be the scene of one the Vedic wars, revealed skeletons of people struck down suddenly while walking down a street which have a radioactivity that matches skeletons found at Hiroshima. They found large black globs of glass all over the place that were discovered to be pottery that had been melted. The accounts of the war talk of the air being incinerated and surviving soldiers leaping into rivers to wash the poison dust from their equipment and their bodies.
The Dogon tribe in Africa was a stoneage type culture that had a perfect and accurate understanding of the star system around Sirius, the Dog star they said was a binary star with three components which they described perfectly and depicted in primitive maps and drawings. Sirius B was not accurately described by western science until the 1950's and Sirius C (the third one) was only discovered in the last few years. How did they know?
We are given a very limited version of history which excludes as impossible many things for which there is compelling evidence. People tend to allow severe limitations (imposed by academics and religious doctrine) on the interpretation of historical data. The Egyptian Pyramid Texts is a great example, as are the Vedas, the Viramana, the small amount of surviving Olmec and Maya cultural beliefs and even much of the Torah and the Bible.
It's ridiculous to think that our scientific knowledge has achieved some omniscient state of perfection. Science should be about inquiry and be open to adjusting itself to discovery. Instead, any evidence that confounds our accepted conclusions, or that our models need to be changed, seems to be hidden away and supressed.
Is there intelligent life other than the humans on planet earth? Certainly. Have we been visited or maybe even manipulated somewhere in our past by an extraterrestial race? Probably. Are the conclusions of the Warren Commission false and an intentional cover-up of a greater conspiracy? Absolutely. [The Congressional hearing regarding the results of the Warren Commission decided there was a conspiracy but stopped short of any further investigation.]
It's certainly possible that mankind had evolved a technological culture in the past that could explain a lot of the strange referrences in ancient texts. The only thing that makes it seem unlikely that there was nothing more to it than that, is all the stories that specifically talk about visitors or gods that came here from the stars. And the Dogon's map showing our solar system as it would appear if viewed from the constellation of Orion. What would be the simpler explanation?
DavidK
Reply #43 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 3:22 AM
Reply #43 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 3:22 AM
ok - the Amusing Kreskin has had his press conference and he's announced the date, time and place of the world's biggest UFO sighting! hehe - trust me... it's bound to happen...
Thursday, June 6th, 2002 — between 9:50pm - 12:00am PST (GMT-8)
The location: the best viewing spot will be just behind the Casino in Las Vegas that Kreskin does his show at
yikes... what a coincidence...
don't miss it! CNN will have their cameras there...
Thursday, June 6th, 2002 — between 9:50pm - 12:00am PST (GMT-8)
The location: the best viewing spot will be just behind the Casino in Las Vegas that Kreskin does his show at
yikes... what a coincidence...don't miss it! CNN will have their cameras there...
craeonics
Reply #44 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 3:58 AM
Reply #44 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 3:58 AM
Hey, that's my mom's birthday. Looks like my cousin from outer space is there to visit me.
I wonder though, if there is alien life out there observing us, would they ever make contact? Say I were an alien, hten I'd think again after picking up terrestial tv-signals...
Not that I completely agree with Dave, but people and certainly science are way too herdish for their own good. If someone says something that goes against the tide, it's instantly rejected _because_ it goes against the tide.
Simple example: my science teacher. "You can't go faster than light, because that would break the scientific model"...
I wonder though, if there is alien life out there observing us, would they ever make contact? Say I were an alien, hten I'd think again after picking up terrestial tv-signals...
Not that I completely agree with Dave, but people and certainly science are way too herdish for their own good. If someone says something that goes against the tide, it's instantly rejected _because_ it goes against the tide.
Simple example: my science teacher. "You can't go faster than light, because that would break the scientific model"...
craeonics
Reply #45 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 3:59 AM
Reply #45 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 3:59 AM
Mmkay, replace "tide" with "flow" if that makes no sense.
DavidK
Reply #46 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 4:10 AM
Reply #46 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 4:10 AM
It's not that long ago that people were burned at the stake for saying the world was not flat. Or that the earth orbited around the Sun...
craeonics
Reply #47 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 4:25 AM
Reply #47 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 4:25 AM
Yeah, but we can't burn 'em anymore, so now we opt to ridicule them. Then again, the world (or should I say "the west") has only started to really evolve since the fifties/sixties.
Okay, enough sociology for today.
Okay, enough sociology for today.
Lecrayon
Reply #48 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 6:31 AM
Reply #48 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 6:31 AM
They say Einstein was an alien...no wonder he wasn't burnt (or is it burned?) Although he had an electric haircut,
werewolf
Reply #49 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:51 AM
Reply #49 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:51 AM
Does anyone remember the Illuminati? (sic?) That was the best conspiracy theory I've ever heard. I still wonder about that one. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for a small group of super industrialists, or whatever they are supposed to be, to be running things from behind the scenes.
paxx
Reply #50 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:05 PM
Reply #50 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:05 PM
Yeah, and there is also the infamous Trilateral Commission myth. But that's more like a corporate conspiracy thing...
werewolf
Reply #51 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:19 PM
Reply #51 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 12:19 PM
Oh yeah. I remember that one too. I seem to recall folks were calling other folks Trilateralists
DavidK
Reply #52 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 1:41 PM
Reply #52 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 1:41 PM
The Trilateral Commission is only a piece of the story, don't forget the Bildebergs or the Council on Foriegn Relations (CFR). Every President we've had in the US for the last 40 years has been a member of at least one of those three groups. And the "Shadow Government" - no discussion of the Illuminati would be meaningful without talking about the shadow government. It's not even considered a conspiracy theory or paranoia. It's a simple fact that these groups exist and exert a powerful influence over world events and political policies. The only one that's kind of secretive about their existence is the Bildebergs but their annual meetings are fairly high profile since there's usually a military presence guarding whatever site they choose and no media coverage is allowed.
If you don't think the world's top governments are run by wealthy industrialists then, what world are you referring to?
If you don't think the world's top governments are run by wealthy industrialists then, what world are you referring to?
JavaBrain
Reply #53 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 1:56 PM
Reply #53 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 1:56 PM
One morning, when I was about 10 years old, I looked out through the window at the clothes line (live in the country) and thought for sure that there was a UFO in the field. Nope, it wasn't. It was actually sunlight reflecting off the dew on a really big spiders web. I should have taken a picture, because it looked like a silver disc floating in the field. I wonder how many other "UFO" sightings are from stuff like that.
But, I still think that the black helicopters are after me.....
But, I still think that the black helicopters are after me.....
paxx
Reply #54 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 2:06 PM
Reply #54 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 2:06 PM
The Triateral Commision is a myth. Every politist and historian I have talked to concerning that all told me almost laughed at me when I asked about it. It's a myth apparently put together by some people to discredit the western capitalist system. But in truth, there is no such thing.
DavidK
Reply #55 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 2:28 PM
Reply #55 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 2:28 PM
You could be right about the Trilateral Commission paxx http://trilateral.org:9999/moreinfo/faqs.htm It's not something I've looked into so I don't know what's true about them, they're a fairly recent invention. The people attributed with starting the group and forming their core beliefs and goals are certainly real though. If anything, the Trilateral Commission is somewhat benign and compassionate towards developing nations. Zbignew Brezhinski's ideas on how to get support for the cause are frightenly heartless though. Like creating Islamic terrorists as an enemy to replace the Soviets when the cold war fizzles out. A bad idea that has had horrible consequences.
werewolf
Reply #56 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 11:24 AM
Reply #56 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 11:24 AM
DavidK... I've never heard of the Bildebergs. Could you shed some light please?
DavidK
Reply #57 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 2:33 PM
Reply #57 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 2:33 PM
The Bilderbergs (I misspelled it before) are a group that formed in 1954 and has had an annual meeting ever since. There is no real membership list and the meetings are held in secret. Their name comes from the Hotel they held their first meeting in. It's said that world policy is decided at these meetings. Whatever is the focus of the meetings gets rolled out as policy in the following year.
I don't follow these groups or know much about them so I'm not a good one for information. I do believe they exist and I also believe they have a very strong influence over world events. In fact, their existence is not an issue and the secretive nature of their meetings is not in doubt either. Most of what is on the net about them is pretty radical stuff.
here's some Bilderberg links:
http://www.bilderberg.org/2002.htm#release
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/Bilderbergers.html
http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bilder.htm
I don't follow these groups or know much about them so I'm not a good one for information. I do believe they exist and I also believe they have a very strong influence over world events. In fact, their existence is not an issue and the secretive nature of their meetings is not in doubt either. Most of what is on the net about them is pretty radical stuff.
here's some Bilderberg links:
http://www.bilderberg.org/2002.htm#release
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/Bilderbergers.html
http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bilder.htm
Entilza
Reply #58 Sunday, June 16, 2002 1:02 AM
Reply #58 Sunday, June 16, 2002 1:02 AM
I know i got blind drunk in the past but i am pretty sure i never did go to the moon
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Reply #41 Sunday, June 2, 2002 4:36 PM
anyway, yeah it seems as far as the moon landing stuff that people are just really desperate to 'expose' something. they don't even understand the basics of photography or anything.
on the larger conspiracy front, i didn't realize, david, that the gov't had actually said the warren commission findings were wrong and there was actually a conspiracy.. did they say anything else? i mean, the warren commission findings will be released in what.. 10 years? i always kind of thought the reason they kept it all secret was because some secret service guy screwed up and missed finding oswald, or didn't catch him going into the building, and they just didn't want the american public to lynch the guy.
as far as aliens go, i don't know..
1- it would be almost statistically impossible for there -not- to be other intelligent life out there.
2- it's incredibly unlikely that any such life would happen to pick our little planet to visit.
3- however, there really are a lot of pretty credible sightings and stories that would seem unlikely to result from anything other than alien visitation.
so, who knows...