moon landings
Thursday, May 30, 2002 by migellito | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
i was surfing around the other day and came across pages and pages of people who are convinced we never landed on the moon.
i was wondering if anyone here subscribes to these moonlanding hoax theories?
i was wondering if anyone here subscribes to these moonlanding hoax theories?
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DavidK
Reply #22 Friday, May 31, 2002 1:41 PM
Reply #22 Friday, May 31, 2002 1:41 PM
so... a Jeep Cherokee will allow me to drive to the top of a column mesa in the desert... and if I'm eating Mentos at the time, then a girl will run up and kiss me... yes, TV is much nicer than truth...
JavaBrain
Reply #23 Friday, May 31, 2002 3:12 PM
Reply #23 Friday, May 31, 2002 3:12 PM
I only believe what the large green alien on my sofa tells me....or was I reading Dr. Suess again and that's actually a Bofa on my Sofa...well I wish he wasn't there....
paxx
Reply #24 Friday, May 31, 2002 3:58 PM
Reply #24 Friday, May 31, 2002 3:58 PM
I don't believe in any conspiracy. It's a whole conspiracy designed to get our mind off the real truth...
Err... Wait...
No, seriously, I am always amazed at how Americans don't trust their governement. Don't take this as an insult, it's not. I just find it interesting and I don't quite understand it. Why would your governement make up whole stories? And how could they since the governement changes every 4 years or so.
Yes, I am sure there are topics that are top secret for National Security reasons. They sure won't make public some information they have about certain terrorist groups, or where they will launch the next bomb in the Afgan or Irakese desert.
For sure, the welfare of the American public make it necessary keep the general public from knowing anything about certain things. But to say there is a conspiracy?
The US is one of the few free countries in the World, why do a lot of Americans think they live in the ex-UUSR or something?
Err... Wait...
No, seriously, I am always amazed at how Americans don't trust their governement. Don't take this as an insult, it's not. I just find it interesting and I don't quite understand it. Why would your governement make up whole stories? And how could they since the governement changes every 4 years or so.
Yes, I am sure there are topics that are top secret for National Security reasons. They sure won't make public some information they have about certain terrorist groups, or where they will launch the next bomb in the Afgan or Irakese desert.
For sure, the welfare of the American public make it necessary keep the general public from knowing anything about certain things. But to say there is a conspiracy?
The US is one of the few free countries in the World, why do a lot of Americans think they live in the ex-UUSR or something?
DavidK
Reply #26 Friday, May 31, 2002 4:35 PM
Reply #26 Friday, May 31, 2002 4:35 PM
The Watergate break-ins were a "conspiracy theory" for over a year before they turned out to be verified and resulted in Nixon's downfall. Until the mainstream press picked up the story anyone who was aware of the details was labled a whacko conspiracy nut.
Congress attempted to put to rest the conspiracy theories regarding the assasination of President Kennedy. The result of their very public investigation was that there actually WAS a conspiracy. They just never took the next step to try to find out who was involved. No 'official' investigation into who killed Kennedy has ever been done, but, according to the US Congress, it was indeed a conspiracy and the conclusions of the Warren Commission were wrong.
"National Security" has been used to conceal many things that are merely abuses of position, misuse of funds, or personal agenda political manuevering that would never be tolerated by the public if they knew the truth. The abuse of "Classified" status of documents has been argued for decades.
If you just allow the judicial and legislative branches of the government to be the check and balance system it was intended to be, overseeing the administrative branch, you'll find there is no lack of conspiracies to manipulate world events, murder innocent victims, traffic in drugs, incite wars and riots, etc. There are innumerable cases played out in the House, the Senate and the Courts. Until a case is resolved in one of these institutions, it is considered a "conspiracy theory."
Dilligence and curiosity should not open someone to ridicule. America is only a free country because there are people willing to challenge the abuses of power and hidden agendas that pollute the political process. It's called being a good citizen - not a whacko.
Congress attempted to put to rest the conspiracy theories regarding the assasination of President Kennedy. The result of their very public investigation was that there actually WAS a conspiracy. They just never took the next step to try to find out who was involved. No 'official' investigation into who killed Kennedy has ever been done, but, according to the US Congress, it was indeed a conspiracy and the conclusions of the Warren Commission were wrong.
"National Security" has been used to conceal many things that are merely abuses of position, misuse of funds, or personal agenda political manuevering that would never be tolerated by the public if they knew the truth. The abuse of "Classified" status of documents has been argued for decades.
If you just allow the judicial and legislative branches of the government to be the check and balance system it was intended to be, overseeing the administrative branch, you'll find there is no lack of conspiracies to manipulate world events, murder innocent victims, traffic in drugs, incite wars and riots, etc. There are innumerable cases played out in the House, the Senate and the Courts. Until a case is resolved in one of these institutions, it is considered a "conspiracy theory."
Dilligence and curiosity should not open someone to ridicule. America is only a free country because there are people willing to challenge the abuses of power and hidden agendas that pollute the political process. It's called being a good citizen - not a whacko.
Jafo
Reply #27 Friday, May 31, 2002 8:37 PM
Reply #27 Friday, May 31, 2002 8:37 PM
Who's to say that Watergate wasn't just a 'convenient' excuse to remove an idiot...and, if so, why was it necessarily 'authentic' when fake or real, the result would be the same?...
Conspiracy theories are cooked up by the impotent public in an attempt to undermine the Almighty Government's Powers, to show that they are 'in the loop'....'haha, guys, you didn't really get away with that one....we found you out...you aren't as all-powerful as you thought'.
Of course, the Govt could care less...while the neurotic are wetting themselves about 'reds under the bed' or whatever, they can get on with REAL subterfuge...
Conspiracy theories are cooked up by the impotent public in an attempt to undermine the Almighty Government's Powers, to show that they are 'in the loop'....'haha, guys, you didn't really get away with that one....we found you out...you aren't as all-powerful as you thought'.
Of course, the Govt could care less...while the neurotic are wetting themselves about 'reds under the bed' or whatever, they can get on with REAL subterfuge...
paxx
Reply #28 Friday, May 31, 2002 9:19 PM
Reply #28 Friday, May 31, 2002 9:19 PM
I believe there are crooks in the governement, I believe Nixon was indeed one, as there has been and will continue to be more crooks in the goverment. But to say that the Governement, that abstract entity that has no name other than that vague label "Governement", conspires to kill Presidents, have secret meetings with the little green guys, or make up a machavelic plan in order to fool the American public is a little too much.
Sometimes I think that when people are too well, they make up bad things to feel better. Maybe its human nature. Dunno. When I was a teenager, I had the best parents in the World. I could go out as late as I wanted, go wherever I wanted, they never checked on me, they trusted me. Now, what fun is that? I used to make up things about my parents to my friends, cause it's just what a teen is supposed to do: complain about the old folks.
Sometimes I think that when people are too well, they make up bad things to feel better. Maybe its human nature. Dunno. When I was a teenager, I had the best parents in the World. I could go out as late as I wanted, go wherever I wanted, they never checked on me, they trusted me. Now, what fun is that? I used to make up things about my parents to my friends, cause it's just what a teen is supposed to do: complain about the old folks.
joetheblow
Reply #29 Friday, May 31, 2002 9:56 PM
Reply #29 Friday, May 31, 2002 9:56 PM
My mom and sister thinks it was fake. I personally feel that would have to be allot of work to make something like that up. If they did then why? Just to beat the Russians?? Well as cold as the cold war was I do not think this is something that is made up. If they did.. well who does it hurt anyway?
Lightningraven
Reply #30 Friday, May 31, 2002 10:23 PM
Reply #30 Friday, May 31, 2002 10:23 PM
I wonder...
Does time have any meaning? Time...It has no meaning.
The landings would be real, otherwise, they'd have to really be desperate only for attention to spend billions of dollars and getting nothing but a lot of people cheering.
I think if they think it's fake, then they might think the shuttle blew up in the atmoshpere just below the stratos.
Does time have any meaning? Time...It has no meaning.
The landings would be real, otherwise, they'd have to really be desperate only for attention to spend billions of dollars and getting nothing but a lot of people cheering.
I think if they think it's fake, then they might think the shuttle blew up in the atmoshpere just below the stratos.
Griffinme
Reply #32 Saturday, June 1, 2002 1:02 AM
Reply #32 Saturday, June 1, 2002 1:02 AM
In the 50's there was an incedent that has always made me wonder. In Michigan's U.P. an Air Force radar operator noticed an oddly behaving object on his screen. A jet was scrambled to check it out. The pilot described an odd silvery object. He said he was going to get closer to get a better look. On the operator's radar screen both objects merged on his screen. Shortly afterwards the object disappeared.
At first that is how base officials told the story. After this started to cause a stir the official story became that it was a private plane that had collided with the Air Force jet. The jet and dead pilot were recovered. No private plane, pilot or passengers were ever found or reported as missing.
But that was just a crack-pot story from a retired Air Force Col.
At first that is how base officials told the story. After this started to cause a stir the official story became that it was a private plane that had collided with the Air Force jet. The jet and dead pilot were recovered. No private plane, pilot or passengers were ever found or reported as missing.
But that was just a crack-pot story from a retired Air Force Col.
DavidK
Reply #34 Saturday, June 1, 2002 2:44 AM
Reply #34 Saturday, June 1, 2002 2:44 AM
There's been hundreds of UFO incidents involving pilots, air traffic controlers, police, military, etc. There are about 400 extremely credible eyewitnesses (mostly military, NASA and FAA)asking Congress to hold hearings where they can testify under oath as to what they know or have seen. Why would it be hard to believe there is intelligent life in the universe besides us? The simple fact is we have an awful lot of incidents that need to be explained. http://www.disclosureproject.org/access.htm
I had a sighting of my own in 1966. I was in North Ontario on the Ottowa River with a couple friends. We watched a craft of some sort that was glowing bright white flying around the mountain ridge across the river. It would fly along the ridge like it was looking for something and then suddenly shoot over and up about two miles in about one second, and stop (!), then do the same thing again. We watched it do that for about twenty minutes and then it dropped down behind the mountains... I have no idea what it was but I don't know of any airfcraft that can instantly accelerate to a thousand MPH and then just stop on a dime.
The last few years there's been hundreds of sightings of huge (300 feet long) black triangular craft that "float" silently and can accelerate and stop like the little one I saw. These have been seen, filmed, photographed and documented by police departments all over the world. In Belgium about 300 people watched one of these, icluding the police and military. In Indiana several towns' police departments chased one around for hours. Wish I could see one of those, sounds pretty cool...
I had a sighting of my own in 1966. I was in North Ontario on the Ottowa River with a couple friends. We watched a craft of some sort that was glowing bright white flying around the mountain ridge across the river. It would fly along the ridge like it was looking for something and then suddenly shoot over and up about two miles in about one second, and stop (!), then do the same thing again. We watched it do that for about twenty minutes and then it dropped down behind the mountains... I have no idea what it was but I don't know of any airfcraft that can instantly accelerate to a thousand MPH and then just stop on a dime.
The last few years there's been hundreds of sightings of huge (300 feet long) black triangular craft that "float" silently and can accelerate and stop like the little one I saw. These have been seen, filmed, photographed and documented by police departments all over the world. In Belgium about 300 people watched one of these, icluding the police and military. In Indiana several towns' police departments chased one around for hours. Wish I could see one of those, sounds pretty cool...
Lecrayon
Reply #35 Saturday, June 1, 2002 3:43 AM
Reply #35 Saturday, June 1, 2002 3:43 AM
When I flew to Oz, we had to shutdown the windowsblinds. There must have been an UFO for it was an order by the crew...Now I think personally this plane had to bay at Stardock. Because suddenly the colours were changing in liquid2 and Luna and rainbowy effects just swooped through the corridors...TV's turned into laserguided object desktops and with a flick of the remote control you could customize the lasercolours too...I heard strange voices, almost whale like sounds telling me to eat the cheese from Luna and drink the juice from Liquid2...When I woke up I was back home in bed staring at the ceiling and 100% sure I was abducted. By the way Frogboy: "WE" went to the moon... 
Jafo
Reply #36 Saturday, June 1, 2002 3:54 AM
Reply #36 Saturday, June 1, 2002 3:54 AM
Little men in white coats alight from the black helicopters and whisk Lecrayon away...never to be seen again...
Lecrayon
Reply #37 Saturday, June 1, 2002 4:17 AM
Reply #37 Saturday, June 1, 2002 4:17 AM
I have dreamt that too, but the people had green coats.... 
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #38 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:16 AM
Reply #38 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:16 AM
I am an alien sent to Earth to spy on you humans. What I see amuses me...
DavidK
Reply #39 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:45 AM
Reply #39 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:45 AM
Interesting note... The whole UFO thing will be in the mainstream news next week. There's a guy known as "the Amazing Kreskin" that does a psychic show in Las Vegas. He's made a prediction that the world's largest and most visible UFO sighting in history will occur in the desert near Las Vegas in June. Tonight he modified his prediction to say it will happen next week, he's planning to announce the date and time (and location) at a press conference on Monday. The sighting will be covered live by the major news media so you'll be able to watch it on your TV's (if it's on TV it must be real eh?). Very interesting...
The "inside" rumors in the UFO community for the last couple years has been that 2002 will be the year of disclosure. This incident is interesting because it coincides with that insider info from the military and also because Kreskin has an amazing track record. He has made some very high profile accurate predictions which all were related to politics in some way. I think he has friends in the intelligence business that leak these upcoming events to him. I actually expect his prediction to come true, the only thing I wonder about is the source of the UFO's and the intention. I think it's happening outside Las Vegas because the craft that will be showing up are currently at area 51 right nearby.
Stay tuned... it should be interesting...
The "inside" rumors in the UFO community for the last couple years has been that 2002 will be the year of disclosure. This incident is interesting because it coincides with that insider info from the military and also because Kreskin has an amazing track record. He has made some very high profile accurate predictions which all were related to politics in some way. I think he has friends in the intelligence business that leak these upcoming events to him. I actually expect his prediction to come true, the only thing I wonder about is the source of the UFO's and the intention. I think it's happening outside Las Vegas because the craft that will be showing up are currently at area 51 right nearby.
Stay tuned... it should be interesting...
Lecrayon
Reply #40 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:54 AM
Reply #40 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:54 AM
but you have a laserinstallation my dear DavidK...And with your skinning abilities...No wonder it is in area 51........
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Reply #21 Friday, May 31, 2002 1:25 PM