Where to find Styles XP themes ???
Wednesday, November 7, 2001 by Jens Magnusson | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Under folder ????
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Jafo
Reply #22 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 5:39 PM
Reply #22 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 5:39 PM
Paxx...perhaps they are not 'lying', and only having a lend of the truth...
Maybe just being selectively inaccurate...
Maybe just being selectively inaccurate...
Catherine
Reply #23 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 5:56 PM
Reply #23 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 5:56 PM
is it just me or does it seem like tandis has a personal hate for tgtsoft? you dont have to pay $20 for the stylebuilder. people have already been making themes for xp without it.
Frogboy
Reply #24 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 6:03 PM
Reply #24 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 6:03 PM
Tandis is responding to the person who claims you HAVE to pay $20 for WindowBlinds to change the start button.
Brian Go
Reply #25 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 6:24 PM
Reply #25 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 6:24 PM
My final comment on WB3.
After reading the white paper, I have to say I'm impressed. I also discoverd some incorrect assumptions I made in regards to the shareware version. Is the deluxe version worth $20? Yes, it's probably worth more than that. It has some pretty cool features. Will I buy it? I think I'm gonna wait a month or two and see just how many WB3 skins people make. I would like to be able to select WB3 skins from the regular list of XP themes available, maybe they'll change that.
I just have one question now. Why did MS decide to include a digital signature on there themes?
If they didn't want people making themes, why would they endorse WB3?
After reading the white paper, I have to say I'm impressed. I also discoverd some incorrect assumptions I made in regards to the shareware version. Is the deluxe version worth $20? Yes, it's probably worth more than that. It has some pretty cool features. Will I buy it? I think I'm gonna wait a month or two and see just how many WB3 skins people make. I would like to be able to select WB3 skins from the regular list of XP themes available, maybe they'll change that.
I just have one question now. Why did MS decide to include a digital signature on there themes?
If they didn't want people making themes, why would they endorse WB3?
Frogboy
Reply #26 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 7:59 PM
Reply #26 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 7:59 PM
I've talked to Microsoft a lot on this issue. The main issue is tech support. They don't want to have to support themes.
But if they let a third party do it and there's problems, they'll come to us, not Microsoft.
I've been playing with some of the .msstyles files floating around and even in this early stage problems are showing up. I had one where the items on a dialog weren't painted until I moved another window over it. Another with screen dirt in the toolbars. Nothing functional, just cosmetic problems but it's already begun.
I think I said elsewhere that time is on WindowBlinds's side. As time goes on, it continues to evolve and progress. But msthemes won't.
That said, Stardock has to PROVE it's worth the trouble to install WindowBlinds. it has to PROVE that it's as fast or faster. It has to be better. The free version has to be better and the $20 enhanced version has to be so much better that it's worth it.
That's the challenge we face.
But if they let a third party do it and there's problems, they'll come to us, not Microsoft.
I've been playing with some of the .msstyles files floating around and even in this early stage problems are showing up. I had one where the items on a dialog weren't painted until I moved another window over it. Another with screen dirt in the toolbars. Nothing functional, just cosmetic problems but it's already begun.
I think I said elsewhere that time is on WindowBlinds's side. As time goes on, it continues to evolve and progress. But msthemes won't.
That said, Stardock has to PROVE it's worth the trouble to install WindowBlinds. it has to PROVE that it's as fast or faster. It has to be better. The free version has to be better and the $20 enhanced version has to be so much better that it's worth it.
That's the challenge we face.
thecat2000
Reply #27 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 8:19 PM
Reply #27 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 8:19 PM
Hi Froggy, Your words actually echo some thing I said over on Devart, I think ! Windowblinds at the end of the day is more established and naturally has progressed and evolved into what it is today. A lot of new Skinners to Style XP don't seem to realise one fact that the MS Styles format has bugs. These were not down to TGT's fault, but Microsoft Bugs which were left in Windows XP.
As for Theme's for TGT's Style XP all I have seen so far is 'Luna' in so many different colour's it seems reminisant of months ago when people complained about it on WindowBlinds Skins. So why should it be any different now with Style XP ? ... Please if you use Style XP make some thing other than a Alexandrie Rip or MS Luna.
As for Theme's for TGT's Style XP all I have seen so far is 'Luna' in so many different colour's it seems reminisant of months ago when people complained about it on WindowBlinds Skins. So why should it be any different now with Style XP ? ... Please if you use Style XP make some thing other than a Alexandrie Rip or MS Luna.
Jafo
Reply #28 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 8:36 PM
Reply #28 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 8:36 PM
Ms. Cat....'if' real skinners actually ever bother to skin for such a limiting format then you may see a slight improvement, and fewer 'rips' but as you know, if the skin format allows only as much 'real' variation as old Henry allowed for the colours of the Model T, then all ya skins will be black....
paxx
Reply #29 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 8:54 PM
Reply #29 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 8:54 PM
Jafo, Did I not noce read you say something about WinAmp was so much more creative to skin than WMP7 specifically because it was not freeform skinning, and therefore more challenging.
How is it different now with the more limited msstyle format?
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How is it different now with the more limited msstyle format?
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Reply #21 Wednesday, November 7, 2001 4:52 PM
First, I was talking about msstyles files, which are not hacked dlls, but styles made from scratch, just WBA files are. I was not talking about the patch supplied by TGTSoft, that hacks a Windows DLL.
Second, TGTSoft said that they complied with Microsoft's requirement by letting users know that: "This software patches the system DLL, uxtheme.dll. If you do not want to modify this DLL, please hit cancel now."
I have no reason to believe that they are lying. I am assuming that Microsoft is now okay with the patch. Therefore it's not warez.