Rip Patrol
Tuesday, November 6, 2001 by davad70 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Ok, I'm feeling like I'm on rip patrol this week, but in checking out visual styles for XP, I'm coming across all sorts of interesting items. Yesterday I found WC member's walls posted somewhere with no credit given. And today.......Alexandrie's Preluna skin sliced and diced into a visual style @ http://www.peakpeak.com/~nicks/themes.html There may some other interesting items there also. There's no contact info, but here's where the link came from http://www.neowin.net/bboard/showthread.php?s=2b515212848513d1fdea3d8a47da7ecb&threadid=4243
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Frank Leon
Reply #22 Friday, November 9, 2001 1:10 AM
Reply #22 Friday, November 9, 2001 1:10 AM
GOTO the SOURCE. LOOK what I found. The guy posting himself. http://board.iexbeta.com/cgi-bin/ib2/topic.cgi?forum=17&topic=103
Firestorm
Reply #24 Friday, November 9, 2001 1:35 AM
Reply #24 Friday, November 9, 2001 1:35 AM
I'm posting to him now (under the name "Durden.")
Brian Go
Reply #25 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:34 AM
Reply #25 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:34 AM
What a bunch of unoriginal thieving bastards.
I think this will only undermine the legitimacy TGT Soft wishes styles xp to achieve.
Maybe the best way to stop the rips would be for the designer to do there own ports. It's bad that an artist would have to do that. But it would definetly point out to the unknowing who the true designer is. They could even tell people this is my work, but it's much better with WB.
I think this will only undermine the legitimacy TGT Soft wishes styles xp to achieve.
Maybe the best way to stop the rips would be for the designer to do there own ports. It's bad that an artist would have to do that. But it would definetly point out to the unknowing who the true designer is. They could even tell people this is my work, but it's much better with WB.
Jafo
Reply #26 Friday, November 9, 2001 7:13 AM
Reply #26 Friday, November 9, 2001 7:13 AM
Firestorm...I agree whole-heartedly with you, but preferably keep a handle on the chosen language...
Jafo
Reply #27 Friday, November 9, 2001 7:18 AM
Reply #27 Friday, November 9, 2001 7:18 AM
I think I warned that this would be the likely outcome, and similarly for wall artists with the XP logon screens.
'Lost Souls' by Nuvem has already been ripped and I'm in the midst of a polite discussion with the site owner regarding his culpability...
'Lost Souls' by Nuvem has already been ripped and I'm in the midst of a polite discussion with the site owner regarding his culpability...
JavaBrain
Reply #28 Friday, November 9, 2001 7:55 AM
Reply #28 Friday, November 9, 2001 7:55 AM
Brian Go-"I think this will only undermine the legitimacy TGT Soft wishes styles xp to achieve. "
It's a hack for a hack. Ripping skins for a hacked dll. Sounds about right to me. No shock there.
"Maybe the best way to stop the rips would be for the designer to do there own ports. It's bad that an artist would have to do that. But it would definetly point out to the unknowing who the true designer is. They could even tell people this is my work, but it's much better with WB. "
So, you think that the artists should all port their skins to Style XP just so somebody won't rip them? Um... what if they simply don't want to make those types of skins? Plus, you *can't* just port them because most of the skins have different buttons and features that aren't supported by msstyles. So, what you end up with is a really bad looking port. Just like the rips. They are sucky ripped versions of the original skins. I guess everyone should also make their skins into WinAmp skins so that nobody rips their artwork? Uh, no. No ripping should be permitted. You rip, the community comes after you. The artist owns their artwork, and it should only be used as they please. If Alexandrie said "no", then no part of her work should have been used even with them noting that it was "inspired" by her work. Should it be right to copy an Ansel Adams photo, only use a section of it,paste it on a background, call it a wallpaper and then claim it as your own? No. But, that is exactly what they did. An artist shouldn't have to do anything to reduce ripping. They should never have to port a skin to a format they are not confortable with. Of course, we are dealing with a different bunch, here. We aren't used to dealing with people who have no respect for copyright or intellectual property.
It's a hack for a hack. Ripping skins for a hacked dll. Sounds about right to me. No shock there.
"Maybe the best way to stop the rips would be for the designer to do there own ports. It's bad that an artist would have to do that. But it would definetly point out to the unknowing who the true designer is. They could even tell people this is my work, but it's much better with WB. "
So, you think that the artists should all port their skins to Style XP just so somebody won't rip them? Um... what if they simply don't want to make those types of skins? Plus, you *can't* just port them because most of the skins have different buttons and features that aren't supported by msstyles. So, what you end up with is a really bad looking port. Just like the rips. They are sucky ripped versions of the original skins. I guess everyone should also make their skins into WinAmp skins so that nobody rips their artwork? Uh, no. No ripping should be permitted. You rip, the community comes after you. The artist owns their artwork, and it should only be used as they please. If Alexandrie said "no", then no part of her work should have been used even with them noting that it was "inspired" by her work. Should it be right to copy an Ansel Adams photo, only use a section of it,paste it on a background, call it a wallpaper and then claim it as your own? No. But, that is exactly what they did. An artist shouldn't have to do anything to reduce ripping. They should never have to port a skin to a format they are not confortable with. Of course, we are dealing with a different bunch, here. We aren't used to dealing with people who have no respect for copyright or intellectual property.
Firestorm
Reply #29 Friday, November 9, 2001 9:29 AM
Reply #29 Friday, November 9, 2001 9:29 AM
Jafo, don't worry, I'll be more careful in the future.
ps-- The mod at the iexBeta board closed the thread discussing the PreLuna port, and acknowledged it as a rip
ps-- The mod at the iexBeta board closed the thread discussing the PreLuna port, and acknowledged it as a rip
Brian Go
Reply #30 Friday, November 9, 2001 10:57 AM
Reply #30 Friday, November 9, 2001 10:57 AM
JavaBrain - Ease up on the coffee.
I did start my sentence with "maybe". It was just a suggestion to make it stop. It's up to the artist to do what they feel is right. It's not my stuff, so I'm not telling anyone what they should do.
Does JavaBrain like to ask questions and then answer them? Yes.
Thanks for the big lecture. You know what? I agree with you! So how do you make the problem go away?
I did start my sentence with "maybe". It was just a suggestion to make it stop. It's up to the artist to do what they feel is right. It's not my stuff, so I'm not telling anyone what they should do.
Does JavaBrain like to ask questions and then answer them? Yes.
Thanks for the big lecture. You know what? I agree with you! So how do you make the problem go away?
JavaBrain
Reply #31 Friday, November 9, 2001 3:29 PM
Reply #31 Friday, November 9, 2001 3:29 PM
Brian Go- without coffee, I would no longer exist (I'm saying this as I'm drinking some)
It wasn't meant to be a "lecture", I am just very defensive when it comes to stealing people's artwork. I am not a skin artist, but I am a stained glass artist (where people *sell* their designs for others to use) and I also went to school for fine art photography.
There is no way to make it stop, just as there is no way to make people quit shoplifting. It's the ethics of the people that are involved that make a difference.
(I'm saying this as I'm drinking some)It wasn't meant to be a "lecture", I am just very defensive when it comes to stealing people's artwork. I am not a skin artist, but I am a stained glass artist (where people *sell* their designs for others to use) and I also went to school for fine art photography.
There is no way to make it stop, just as there is no way to make people quit shoplifting. It's the ethics of the people that are involved that make a difference.
Alexandrie
Reply #32 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:03 PM
Reply #32 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:03 PM
this is not the end
http://board.iexbeta.com/cgi-bin/ib2/topic.cgi?forum=17&topic=204
the guy posted it again
http://board.iexbeta.com/cgi-bin/ib2/topic.cgi?forum=17&topic=204
the guy posted it again
Alexandrie
Reply #34 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:36 PM
Reply #34 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:36 PM
he removed the link but this is not the end of the story
neodescis
Reply #35 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:46 PM
Reply #35 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:46 PM
I can't believe you guys. Well, I removed the link, but I am keeping the skin for myself at least. I have just lost all respect for the skinning community in general, but particularly Stardock. It's really a shame that you resort to childish flaming...
BTW, StyleXP is technically superior to WindowBlinds. I know I probably, ne, definately, will get flamed for this post.
So much for the first amendment.
BTW, StyleXP is technically superior to WindowBlinds. I know I probably, ne, definately, will get flamed for this post.
So much for the first amendment.
JayG
Reply #36 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:55 PM
Reply #36 Friday, November 9, 2001 4:55 PM
what the hell you talking about, kiddo? Do I look like a Stardock employee? do you see any Stardock people posting here? No? Then what the hell you talking about? You can stick with your crippled little hack. i DL's WB rc2a last night and guess what? it's FASTER than luna now. so you use your slow crippled program. but if wb is so terrible then why were you trying to steal its skins? make your own damn stuff and don't try to delude yourself into thinking stardocks somehow the reason people are against you stealing alexandrie's stuff. some people are actually mature enough to know that stealing is wrong.
neodescis
Reply #37 Friday, November 9, 2001 5:01 PM
Reply #37 Friday, November 9, 2001 5:01 PM
LoL! By your definition of stealing, half of the skins here are "stolen"! Anyway, I said I didn't like WindowBlinds. That doesn't mean I don't like the skins. BTW, I have tried RC2, and it is still slow. If you look at it technically, it cannot match Luna (or styleXP).
Also, I don't care about a hacked dll. Please explain exactly how it is crippled. True, it can only skin theme-aware apps, but guess what? 90% of new apps will be theme-aware. Just like the new native apps for OSX.
Some people are actually mature enough to know what stealing is.
Also, I don't care about a hacked dll. Please explain exactly how it is crippled. True, it can only skin theme-aware apps, but guess what? 90% of new apps will be theme-aware. Just like the new native apps for OSX.
Some people are actually mature enough to know what stealing is.
Firestorm
Reply #38 Friday, November 9, 2001 5:08 PM
Reply #38 Friday, November 9, 2001 5:08 PM
"Some people are actually mature enough to know what stealing is."
And you're not one of them. You're not defending your right to free speech, you're trying to justify theft.
And you're not one of them. You're not defending your right to free speech, you're trying to justify theft.
Alexandrie
Reply #39 Friday, November 9, 2001 5:09 PM
Reply #39 Friday, November 9, 2001 5:09 PM
half of the skin is stolen?
WOW so recolored and stretch things can put you as the skin new skin author?
If you don't like Windowblinds, why are you using it to convert skins from other authors? Just create yours pixels by pixels.
wonder who is not mature here
WOW so recolored and stretch things can put you as the skin new skin author?
If you don't like Windowblinds, why are you using it to convert skins from other authors? Just create yours pixels by pixels.
wonder who is not mature here
John Hamp
Reply #40 Friday, November 9, 2001 6:46 PM
Reply #40 Friday, November 9, 2001 6:46 PM
PreLuna, which you ripped off, was an original creation not inspired by any other particular skin. To say that half the skins on here for all these programs are stolen just shows your lack of integrity. Ripping isn't a capital offence, but being a weasel about it should be. When you actually make your own stuff from scratch, then you can bitch about how ripping should be okay.
And if your precious style xp is so great then stick with it and make some original skins. I'll stick WindowBlinds, it's much better. And I'm not affiliated with Stardock. I'm just getting sick of the stylexp weanies who wetting themselves that they can change title bar bitmaps. Whooopie. I'll stick with what's better, safer and faster.
And if your precious style xp is so great then stick with it and make some original skins. I'll stick WindowBlinds, it's much better. And I'm not affiliated with Stardock. I'm just getting sick of the stylexp weanies who wetting themselves that they can change title bar bitmaps. Whooopie. I'll stick with what's better, safer and faster.
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Reply #21 Friday, November 9, 2001 12:38 AM