World Trade Center Disaster
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 by T-Man | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I'm deeply depressed over the attacks on the World Trade Center building and The Pentagon.
And I just want to take a moment and express my sympathy for all those who have died and are injured.
I would also like to extend my prayers that this most unfortunate incidenent does not lead to a war or further casualties.
This is just a horrible event and my emotions are filled with rage, sorrow, disbelief, fear and concern just to tip it off.
I pray to God that there are no more attacks and that our world leaders will make good decisions and keep peace!
And I just want to take a moment and express my sympathy for all those who have died and are injured.
I would also like to extend my prayers that this most unfortunate incidenent does not lead to a war or further casualties.
This is just a horrible event and my emotions are filled with rage, sorrow, disbelief, fear and concern just to tip it off.
I pray to God that there are no more attacks and that our world leaders will make good decisions and keep peace!
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Jim
Reply #22 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:27 PM
Reply #22 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:27 PM
This is unimagineable, if you have never been to the World Trade Center and vicinity, you have no idea of just how many people are in this area especially on a weekday. The horror of this attack has yet to be realized. Today we're in shock, tomorrow sorrow, after that only anger.
Frogboy
Reply #23 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:05 PM
Reply #23 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:05 PM
I agree. I've been to the WTC on several occasions, have a security badge even for it. The building is immense. 50,000 people work there plus typically another 5,000 to 10,000 visitors at any given time.
Imagine a medium sized city being erased at once. I don't know what the death toll will be. But it was reported that half of New York's fire fighters were killed (245 dead) and 78 police officers were killed.
If there were 50,000 people (25,000 per tower) that means that probably at least 20,000 people died there alone. The problem was that in the first building, evacuation was impossible above the floor of the collision and they were slow to evaucate in the second building.
The first question people as is who, the second question is why, and the third is what are we going to do in response? I wish I knew those answers tonight, my friends.
Imagine a medium sized city being erased at once. I don't know what the death toll will be. But it was reported that half of New York's fire fighters were killed (245 dead) and 78 police officers were killed.
If there were 50,000 people (25,000 per tower) that means that probably at least 20,000 people died there alone. The problem was that in the first building, evacuation was impossible above the floor of the collision and they were slow to evaucate in the second building.
The first question people as is who, the second question is why, and the third is what are we going to do in response? I wish I knew those answers tonight, my friends.
CuppaCoffeee
Reply #24 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:20 PM
Reply #24 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:20 PM
Almost as painful as the un-necessary death, it hurts very deeply that there is so much hate in the world. I pray for peace and comfort for all involved with this disaster as well as for wisdom and knowledge for our government to make good decisions. I fear the retaliation my be worse than the actual act. Don’t get me wrong, anyone responsible should be punished but the entire world is now at risk. I am very proud to be an American and blessed to live in this wonderful country. I hope that other countries will help us to stop all the unnecessary violence. – Sorry for the rambling, I just had to get this off my chest. 
Neo Phann
Reply #26 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:59 PM
Reply #26 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:59 PM
I prayed and shocked. But then I remember the worst will come, cause the Word has spoken this before and it being fulfilled. Nations will come up against nations... you can find it in Matthew. I know He is right, all of these becoming so real. I can't live in a lazy, relaxing world anymore. God.. forgive us all!
Kassiphone
Reply #27 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:01 AM
Reply #27 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:01 AM
I'm totally shocked.Everywhere people are completely taken aback. Even here in Germany people are crying and really shaken. I'd like to express my sympathy. I'm so sorry. And I fear things will get out off hand sooner or later. This won't be the last terrible thing to happen. I'm frightened that it may come to war or more violence. It's so absurd that people do this do others, that one cannot live in peace. I 'm not a christian,nor islamic, but I really pray for more tolerance. If people used acceptet the way of life of other cultures... such things wouldn't happen. So sorry. I can't understand such a deed. I do deeply hope, that the prophecies aren't right. I feel with you.
DavidK
Reply #28 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:15 AM
Reply #28 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:15 AM
I noticed the last 3 days there have been massive troop movements taking the polar route. I saw the same thing a week before we found out about Desert Storm. So, yesterday, I told my friend Ron - we are going to war in the middle east.
Then last night I had a dream where I watched a building that looked like a single WTC tower get hit by a missle and blow up. In the dream the color was like a sepia-tone, very strange looking and unlike any dream I've ever had. This morning I woke up at 6:00am just before my alarm went off and I heard the report on the radio. I thought I was still dreaming at first and when I realized I wasn't, I ran to the living room and turned on the TV. Just in time to see the second plane hit the tower, and it looked exactly like the dream.
I've spent the whole day watching the news in numb horror and feeling shock and confusion. I wonder why all those troops were flown out right before this happened and I wonder why I saw it in a dream.
I've been to the World Trade Center and I love New York. I just can't believe what has happened. I only hope that it's over now and there won't be any more attacks tomorrow or in the coming weeks. God help us for mankind's unbelievable cruelty.
Then last night I had a dream where I watched a building that looked like a single WTC tower get hit by a missle and blow up. In the dream the color was like a sepia-tone, very strange looking and unlike any dream I've ever had. This morning I woke up at 6:00am just before my alarm went off and I heard the report on the radio. I thought I was still dreaming at first and when I realized I wasn't, I ran to the living room and turned on the TV. Just in time to see the second plane hit the tower, and it looked exactly like the dream.
I've spent the whole day watching the news in numb horror and feeling shock and confusion. I wonder why all those troops were flown out right before this happened and I wonder why I saw it in a dream.
I've been to the World Trade Center and I love New York. I just can't believe what has happened. I only hope that it's over now and there won't be any more attacks tomorrow or in the coming weeks. God help us for mankind's unbelievable cruelty.
MobiusCo
Reply #29 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:40 AM
Reply #29 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:40 AM
One of the things I find the most disturbing is that when a horrific event happens in another country, or a terrorist attack happens somewhere in the world, you do not see people in the US cheering about the attack. Imediately people start looking at sending aid or help to those harmed. While in the aftermath of horrific attack you see images of people celebrating the events. I guess that sight hit me harder than anything else, the fact that anyone person let alone large groups could be celebrating the massive scale of death and destruction of any other living beings.
KenLin
Reply #30 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:42 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:42 AM
I agree, MobiusCo. That has really enraged me the most. The fact that people in the MidEast are dancing in the streets. Makes me sick.
If it turns out to be Bin Laden, yet again, I just hope we don't pussyfoot around and wait for extradition from Afganistan. It will never happen. Maybe if we go after Bin Laden (If it was him) we can unseat the Taliban in the process.
If it turns out to be Bin Laden, yet again, I just hope we don't pussyfoot around and wait for extradition from Afganistan. It will never happen. Maybe if we go after Bin Laden (If it was him) we can unseat the Taliban in the process.
paxx
Reply #31 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:44 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:44 AM
Oh but Mobius, there are indeed people who wold cheer if this happened in any place in the world. There are extermists everywhere. I am sure there were some people dancing when the Bomb hit Hiroshima, or when Dresden was destroyed in 1945, or during the Tutsi massacres, or after the Holocaust or the Genocides in Tibet or Bosnia.
This world seems like a sick place sometimes. But just remember that those Palestinians you saw parading and dancing in the streets are only a small minority of fanatic extremists. Fanatics have no heart and no brain, but only hate and resentment. Rest assured that the vast majority of the millions of Palestinians, just like every other people in the world, are horrified by what happened yesterday.
This world seems like a sick place sometimes. But just remember that those Palestinians you saw parading and dancing in the streets are only a small minority of fanatic extremists. Fanatics have no heart and no brain, but only hate and resentment. Rest assured that the vast majority of the millions of Palestinians, just like every other people in the world, are horrified by what happened yesterday.
Dangeruss
Reply #32 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:18 AM
Reply #32 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:18 AM
I read this in TIME magazine, in reference to the Catholic -vs- Protestant battles in Belfast Ireland:
"If we were born where they were born, and taught what they were taught, we would believe, what they believe."
This also rings true for any belief system that is not one to which we subscribe.
Even within the US and other countries there are fanatical groups that voice their opinions in radical ways. The actions of a few do not disparage any particular nationality or belief.
"If we were born where they were born, and taught what they were taught, we would believe, what they believe."
This also rings true for any belief system that is not one to which we subscribe.
Even within the US and other countries there are fanatical groups that voice their opinions in radical ways. The actions of a few do not disparage any particular nationality or belief.
craeonics
Reply #33 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:32 AM
Reply #33 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:32 AM
Listen to those two ^^^. It's just a minority celebrating.
MobiusCo
Reply #34 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:04 AM
Reply #34 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:04 AM
Oh yes I di understand it is a minority and a fanatical group. Along with the fack the hatred and ignorance is something that is easily embedded in some people, expecially in certain areas of the world, even here. If you are raised knowing only hatred then that is all you will know. I just found that extremely disturbing, any celebration of death and destruction is disturbing, and something I personal could never understand fully.
mooshoo
Reply #35 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:02 PM
Reply #35 Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:02 PM
I too am deeply saddened and pray for the victims every night, however peace isn't the answer, I think. Look at other countries that have terrorist attacks day after day. That's what will happen to the US if we don't act now and attack all terrorist-supporting countries. While peace sounds good, it’s not reality.
Frogboy
Reply #36 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:10 AM
Reply #36 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:10 AM
Massive retaliation is the answer. Massive on a scale that would make any group think twice about ever doing such a thing again.
Massive retaliation to the level where each country will make it their own business to ensure that terrorists don't get organized at this level in their own countries.
Massive retaliation to the level where each country will make it their own business to ensure that terrorists don't get organized at this level in their own countries.
Lethal_Zen
Reply #37 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13 AM
Reply #37 Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13 AM
Hey all...I have only rarely posted here but i lurk here and at devart.
I was two blocks from ground zero and watched the whole thing unfold. I was on my way to work, cming up out of the subway which faces the towers, when the first 767 slammed into the north tower. I stood there as the second tower exploded and watched as dozens of people leapt to their deaths or fell from the gaping whole in the structure. I saw a couple holding hands jump, a group of about 8 people all jump together...body parts were literally raining down all over the street...it was the most horrific thing I have ever seen.
Then all hell broke loose. You could hear the supports give way, it sounded like rubber bands popping. One after another for about ten seconds and then there was this thunderous shake. Not even a sound really, more like an all consuming feeling. and thats when the south tower cracked along the impact line and the top twenty or thirty floors collapsed...you could see them catch on the remaining floors for a split second...like the rest of the building could almost take the weight...then the floors just gave...they blew out one at a time as the weight descended.
You could see people still trying to jump get enveloped by debris. A hand landed about five feet from me. You could feel the air heat up as all the rubble compressed at the ground. I saw cars and firetrucks at the base get incinerated from the heat blast...it was like a small nuke went off.
There was absolute mass confusion, people crying in the street. There was a little girl still holding her mother's hand and the mother was under about five feet of rubble. Then the north tower came down, slower then the first...
I wish I could say that I was heroic or didn't panic. I was shocked into immobility. It wasn't until the second debris field rolled over me that I got moving really. I walked up Broadway to 57th street to get my wife.
The farther you got from ground zero the less concerned people were...it was almost like either they didn't know how bad it was or they were in shock...I remember hearing someone near me saying
"well now they've got the space for a stadium"
It took every ounce of self-control in my body to NOT beat the ever loving shit out this cold hearted asshole.
People just stared at me as I walked up Broadway. I was covered in debris and ash. When I got to my wife she was hysterical.
We then walked home to the Bronx...it took five hours to get home. My knee is completely blown and will require surgery...I have no idea how it happened.
I watched tens of thousands of people die two days ago and walked away essentially unharmed.
Sorry for the long post, but I needed to share that. The folks at some other boards, while doing a good job are limiting all posts on this topic to news only so I was afraid it would get edited or deleted.
The pics coming out of the news DO NOT do the devastation justice. Ground zero was ten square blocks in radius, in NYC there are 5 blocks to a quartermile roughly...that's about a mile in diameter.
Thanks for your time...
I was two blocks from ground zero and watched the whole thing unfold. I was on my way to work, cming up out of the subway which faces the towers, when the first 767 slammed into the north tower. I stood there as the second tower exploded and watched as dozens of people leapt to their deaths or fell from the gaping whole in the structure. I saw a couple holding hands jump, a group of about 8 people all jump together...body parts were literally raining down all over the street...it was the most horrific thing I have ever seen.
Then all hell broke loose. You could hear the supports give way, it sounded like rubber bands popping. One after another for about ten seconds and then there was this thunderous shake. Not even a sound really, more like an all consuming feeling. and thats when the south tower cracked along the impact line and the top twenty or thirty floors collapsed...you could see them catch on the remaining floors for a split second...like the rest of the building could almost take the weight...then the floors just gave...they blew out one at a time as the weight descended.
You could see people still trying to jump get enveloped by debris. A hand landed about five feet from me. You could feel the air heat up as all the rubble compressed at the ground. I saw cars and firetrucks at the base get incinerated from the heat blast...it was like a small nuke went off.
There was absolute mass confusion, people crying in the street. There was a little girl still holding her mother's hand and the mother was under about five feet of rubble. Then the north tower came down, slower then the first...
I wish I could say that I was heroic or didn't panic. I was shocked into immobility. It wasn't until the second debris field rolled over me that I got moving really. I walked up Broadway to 57th street to get my wife.
The farther you got from ground zero the less concerned people were...it was almost like either they didn't know how bad it was or they were in shock...I remember hearing someone near me saying
"well now they've got the space for a stadium"
It took every ounce of self-control in my body to NOT beat the ever loving shit out this cold hearted asshole.
People just stared at me as I walked up Broadway. I was covered in debris and ash. When I got to my wife she was hysterical.
We then walked home to the Bronx...it took five hours to get home. My knee is completely blown and will require surgery...I have no idea how it happened.
I watched tens of thousands of people die two days ago and walked away essentially unharmed.
Sorry for the long post, but I needed to share that. The folks at some other boards, while doing a good job are limiting all posts on this topic to news only so I was afraid it would get edited or deleted.
The pics coming out of the news DO NOT do the devastation justice. Ground zero was ten square blocks in radius, in NYC there are 5 blocks to a quartermile roughly...that's about a mile in diameter.
Thanks for your time...
paxx
Reply #38 Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:51 PM
Reply #38 Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:51 PM
Frogboy, you scare me. What you speak of is unthinkable.
Lethal_Zen, I feel for you. I am sure those are images that will stay in your memory for you whole life. You have all my sincere sympathies.
Lethal_Zen, I feel for you. I am sure those are images that will stay in your memory for you whole life. You have all my sincere sympathies.
hoverboy
Reply #39 Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:50 PM
Reply #39 Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:50 PM
paxx -
Terrorists main weapon is fear. That is the only thing that we can use against them, is fear... to make them afraid to repeat something like this ever again. What Frog is speaking of is not unthinkable. Allowing countries to harbor these "armies" under the pretense that their actions (terrorists) are not actions by the countries themselves is unthinkable.
Not knowing if I've got five less family members as of today is unthinkable.
Terrorists main weapon is fear. That is the only thing that we can use against them, is fear... to make them afraid to repeat something like this ever again. What Frog is speaking of is not unthinkable. Allowing countries to harbor these "armies" under the pretense that their actions (terrorists) are not actions by the countries themselves is unthinkable.
Not knowing if I've got five less family members as of today is unthinkable.
Frogboy
Reply #40 Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:57 PM
Reply #40 Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:57 PM
World War II was unthinkable too. The United States got into the war because a country decided to bomb us.
The end result was the complete eradication of fascism world wide. In the 30s facism was considered the wave of the future. After World War II, only Spain had a facist regime and even there it was basically isolated.
Today, people see terrorism as something that can't be effectively stopped. Maybe it can't, it's hard to say but we can make the price of terrorism so high for the nation states that sponser or aid it and the people who carry it out that it will become "unthinkable".
The end result was the complete eradication of fascism world wide. In the 30s facism was considered the wave of the future. After World War II, only Spain had a facist regime and even there it was basically isolated.
Today, people see terrorism as something that can't be effectively stopped. Maybe it can't, it's hard to say but we can make the price of terrorism so high for the nation states that sponser or aid it and the people who carry it out that it will become "unthinkable".
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Reply #21 Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:25 PM