So much for the bar being raised......
Tuesday, August 28, 2001 by digitaljames | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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Tarkus
Reply #5 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:54 PM
Reply #5 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:54 PM
Yes, the words "last call" should never be spoken together. 
Jafo
Reply #6 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:27 PM
Reply #6 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:27 PM
It all depends on just how many people we really want to get upset.
If the bar were properly raised to a truly 'exclusive' level, a large number of artists would have nothing accepted at all.
If you wish, the cull can be more brutal, and a lot of egos will suffer.
It is a delicate, thin line between 'art' and 'wallpaper'...some walls may be a little 'simplistic' or even 'naive', but can be valid wallpapers, found popular by many.
I personally can get a lot more brutal.
I could maintain the cull to about 500 as a consistent number of walls...as more come and are better than those there already, maybe others then get kicked, maintaining the total.
To give an example of how aggressive I would/could be, click on my name.
I have two 'walls', very average popularity, but rating a '7' and a '9'.
They are very definitely 'artwork', as they both were actually painted water-colours, and only afterwards, manipulated on computer.
They show a certain ability....
BUT...
They don't necessarily work as walls.
Why?
Subject matter, I assume, hence the unwild download number.
They would be culled by me, because although they may have had more effort in their creation than a blue swirlie with 'XP' slapped on it, they don't seem to cut it as wallpapers.
I won't play favourites, you realize.
Even those of you able to upload without going through the moderation process can be moderated.
I have been through the ENTIRE wall section 3 times in the past week.
I know it well.
28 existing walls met their waterloo yesterday.
Just say the word.
Call it the night of the long knives.....
It can be done.
But it will hurt a little.
Opinions?.....
If the bar were properly raised to a truly 'exclusive' level, a large number of artists would have nothing accepted at all.
If you wish, the cull can be more brutal, and a lot of egos will suffer.
It is a delicate, thin line between 'art' and 'wallpaper'...some walls may be a little 'simplistic' or even 'naive', but can be valid wallpapers, found popular by many.
I personally can get a lot more brutal.
I could maintain the cull to about 500 as a consistent number of walls...as more come and are better than those there already, maybe others then get kicked, maintaining the total.
To give an example of how aggressive I would/could be, click on my name.
I have two 'walls', very average popularity, but rating a '7' and a '9'.
They are very definitely 'artwork', as they both were actually painted water-colours, and only afterwards, manipulated on computer.
They show a certain ability....
BUT...
They don't necessarily work as walls.
Why?
Subject matter, I assume, hence the unwild download number.
They would be culled by me, because although they may have had more effort in their creation than a blue swirlie with 'XP' slapped on it, they don't seem to cut it as wallpapers.
I won't play favourites, you realize.
Even those of you able to upload without going through the moderation process can be moderated.
I have been through the ENTIRE wall section 3 times in the past week.
I know it well.
28 existing walls met their waterloo yesterday.
Just say the word.
Call it the night of the long knives.....
It can be done.
But it will hurt a little.
Opinions?.....
craeonics
Reply #7 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:40 PM
Reply #7 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:40 PM
craeonics goes slaughter a lamb and hang it on his door...
Frogboy
Reply #8 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:45 PM
Reply #8 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:45 PM
Let's not be too brutal.
When I look at a wallpaper I make 2 judgements:
1) Does it make a GOOD wallpaper -- i.e. is it usable? if the answer is yes, then it can be something relatively simple and bland.
2) If it's not a super great wallpaper, then the artwork quality has to be much greater. Scenery, for instance, had better be pretty freakin good scenery to survive when I do my occasional moderation.
When I look at a wallpaper I make 2 judgements:
1) Does it make a GOOD wallpaper -- i.e. is it usable? if the answer is yes, then it can be something relatively simple and bland.
2) If it's not a super great wallpaper, then the artwork quality has to be much greater. Scenery, for instance, had better be pretty freakin good scenery to survive when I do my occasional moderation.
Doreen
Reply #10 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:45 PM
Reply #10 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:45 PM
hehe
raise the bar too high and only (3) artist I know of will get em in! =/
raise the bar too high and only (3) artist I know of will get em in! =/
AJCrowley
Reply #11 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:00 PM
Reply #11 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:00 PM
Alternatively, you could subject all submitted walls to "Mr. Crowley's Eye of Artistic Righteousness", I think that this may be the best solution for all in the long term.
BoXXi
Reply #12 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:04 PM
Reply #12 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:04 PM
I deleted two of my walls from the site yesterday. They had been rated once, and given a score of 1. I was sad to see them rated that way, as I don't really believe my work is that bad, but I deleted them anyway.
This is why I hate this rating system, especially as it's anonymous. If people had to leave their name with their rating I believe they would not rate at all, as there would be questions asked of them if they rated something ridiculously low for no apparent reason. Please get rid of the ratings, or make people leave their names when they do.
I was so ashamed to receive a rating of 1, that I am considering just doing my DX themes, and not upping any more walls. How can I call myself a Journeyman, if I can only get a rating of 1 on something that took me 12 hours to make?
This is why I hate this rating system, especially as it's anonymous. If people had to leave their name with their rating I believe they would not rate at all, as there would be questions asked of them if they rated something ridiculously low for no apparent reason. Please get rid of the ratings, or make people leave their names when they do.
I was so ashamed to receive a rating of 1, that I am considering just doing my DX themes, and not upping any more walls. How can I call myself a Journeyman, if I can only get a rating of 1 on something that took me 12 hours to make?
Jafo
Reply #13 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:18 PM
Reply #13 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:18 PM
Bryan, I may have seen them all, but I certainly haven't put a rating on all of them...I only have a 56k modem.....and one trip through the wallpaper department took me 7 hours....
Transmutate
Reply #14 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:29 PM
Reply #14 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:29 PM
That's a real shame BoXXi....there's NO-WAY that any of your work deserves to get a rating of 1 !!!!! ....Whoever gave you that rating should not be able to rate anymore!!
Rating something requires a fair amount of thought before you hit the button i think.....if you don't have the maturity to do it properly then don't do it at all!!
Rating something requires a fair amount of thought before you hit the button i think.....if you don't have the maturity to do it properly then don't do it at all!!
BoXXi
Reply #16 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:14 PM
Reply #16 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:14 PM
No Alex, I did make a couple of joke XP walls a while ago, and even they are rated o.k.
AJCrowley
Reply #17 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:19 PM
Reply #17 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:19 PM
Hmm, that's not on, I'd be happy to have my name associated with any ratings I've given, along with any number of reasons from the classic, "I'm jealous of your obvious talent" to the ever faithful "I'm having a bad day and have no other way to work out my frustrations". Actually I'm serious, maybe an ability to have your rating posted in the header of your comment of the piece would be beneficial to artists, giving them the opportunity to see what people did and didn't like about their work. I know that you can give your opinions in the comments section, but I just think a way to rate along with posting your comment would be good.
Jafo
Reply #18 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:30 PM
Reply #18 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:30 PM
OK, Bryan...had a closer look at your walls..just to see what was happening. Some of them had no 'actual' rating, only getting the default Journeyman-number'5' when you upload.
I have been though most of 'em and checked to see that I have rated, and/or commented.
Gee you have a lot of walls....
I have been though most of 'em and checked to see that I have rated, and/or commented.
Gee you have a lot of walls....
digitaljames
Reply #19 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:33 PM
Reply #19 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:33 PM
Whats up with that comment David? For what its worth, the entire thread today and my original is a result of a very brutal "you have been moderated" sent by you to one of the Citizens. I suppose you were born with the current level of graphics/skinning talent you have? My point is valid and should be discussed inteligently. As an Admin you should display more professionalism for other artists. If you have an issue with my stand we can debate via e-mail instead of sling opines here.What it's really about is displaying skins/walls etc. that say "This is my contribution to Wincustomize because I am a member of the community and I have been inspired by the other artists here. Maybe this piece will inspire someone else" not "Cool, I am an Artist because a 5 minute trip down the Bryce/Photoshop menus got posted."
P.S. Someone go ahead and tell me that I have effectively black listed myself here....
P.S. Someone go ahead and tell me that I have effectively black listed myself here....
digitaljames
Reply #20 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:35 PM
Reply #20 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:35 PM
Apologies for the spelling...It was a long day....
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Reply #1 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:42 PM